Predator (1987) (Ultimate Hunter Edition) - Page 48 - Blu-ray Forum

Q? · 06-13-2010, 06:53 PM

Since I already have the two disc DVD I'll very likely get the first release.

The extras on this new release is similar to the new release right?

Bishop_99 · 06-13-2010, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by D_M

Well I'm looking forward to the grain being removed. I am a grain hater.

Well I personally don't mind the grain, I love the look of Man On Fire for example which is very grainy. The main thing I'm looking at is the extra detail I'm seeing in the DNR version. I already have the first blu-ray release and I'm fine with it so I don't have any need to upgrade it now. My first copy of Predator was on VHS and I upgraded to the Blu-ray version so i've never seen any of the special features. I might upgrade in the future if it drops down to like about $7 or something like that.

D_M · 06-13-2010, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Bishop_99

I already have the first blu-ray release and I'm fine with it so I don't have any need to upgrade it now.

I'm really hoping for the audio to have more impact.

bleauboy · 06-13-2010, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by BStecke

Careful about presenting information. Apparently if you do, "your" a troll, and an "a**hole".

Wow some of you guys are real mature on here.

how old are you like 14, seriously. You can present all the info you want if it makes you feel smarter.

supercutz · 06-13-2010, 10:21 PM

Let me get this straight:

Camp A: thinks the original release looks great and is representative of the original grainy look of the film.

Camp B: thinks the original release was a little too grainy to the point that it detracted from the PQ at times.

Well, with both releases it looks like both camps will be happy so what's the problem? Does this new release somehow threaten the existence of the original mpeg2 version you already own? It looks to me like some people in this thread are just looking for a reason to complain, prove their elitism or just to insult others. All based on nothing more than personal preference.

Robert George · 06-13-2010, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by supercutz

...It looks to me like some people in this thread are just looking for a reason to complain, prove their elitism or just to insult others. All based on nothing more than personal preference.

Wow. You just described another well-known forum to a tee.

bleauboy · 06-13-2010, 10:33 PM

Yeah I guess I will stop complaining first since I like the looks of both. I think the new one obviously looks better, but the old looks good in some shots. All this debating, and I am going to buy this. Thats another thing none of us have seen the new movie yet and we're debating about it like there is no tomorrow. I know some one on another forum who has seen this or has it already. Let me ask him about it.

DNinja · 06-13-2010, 10:50 PM

I've looked at the screenshots and I'm really not sure which I like better. The new release has obviously had grain reduction, but the detail is still there. I'd prefer they didn't tamper with the movie at all, but this appears to have been carefully done. This isn't a disaster like Gladiator.

singhcr · 06-13-2010, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by supercutz

Let me get this straight:

Camp A: thinks the original release looks great and is representative of the original grainy look of the film.

Camp B: thinks the original release was a little too grainy to the point that it detracted from the PQ at times.

Well, with both releases it looks like both camps will be happy so what's the problem? Does this new release somehow threaten the existence of the original mpeg2 version you already own? It looks to me like some people in this thread are just looking for a reason to complain, prove their elitism or just to insult others. All based on nothing more than personal preference.

The problem with the new release is not simply personal preference, it's that the movie is supposed to look grainy. Shooting in the outdoors with uncontrolled lighting and generally poor 80's film stock makes for a grainy look. While the new transfer is slightly more detailed at times (most likely due to a higher bitrate and MPEG4 vs. MPEG2 encoding), Predator isn't supposed to look super smooth like that. The BD release should look as close to the theatrical experience as possible, even going to the original negative to ensure that the movie looks as intended.

BStecke · 06-13-2010, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by bleauboy

Wow some of you guys are real mature on here.

how old are you like 14, seriously. You can present all the info you want if it makes you feel smarter.

This is priceless. Who's the one doing all the name calling? That's you, chucko.

Mr. Pot, meet Mr. Kettle.

drtre81 · 06-13-2010, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by singhcr

The problem with the new release is not simply personal preference, it's that the movie is supposed to look grainy. Shooting in the outdoors with uncontrolled lighting and generally poor 80's film stock makes for a grainy look. While the new transfer is slightly more detailed at times (most likely due to a higher bitrate and MPEG4 vs. MPEG2 encoding), Predator isn't supposed to look super smooth like that. The BD release should look as close to the theatrical experience as possible, even going to the original negative to ensure that the movie looks as indented.

Disney touched up their animated films for bluray but no one has a problem with that.

BStecke · 06-13-2010, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by drtre81

Disney touched up their animated films for bluray but no one has a problem with that.

If by touching up you mean making them look like they're supposed to, why would anybody have a problem with that?

TNT · 06-13-2010, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by BStecke

That's you, chucko.

Personal attack!

Dotpattern · 06-13-2010, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by supercutz

Let me get this straight:

Camp A: thinks the original release looks great and is representative of the original grainy look of the film.

Camp B: thinks the original release was a little too grainy to the point that it detracted from the PQ at times.

Well, with both releases it looks like both camps will be happy so what's the problem? Does this new release somehow threaten the existence of the original mpeg2 version you already own? It looks to me like some people in this thread are just looking for a reason to complain, prove their elitism or just to insult others. All based on nothing more than personal preference.

The new release is being advertised as having been "remastered." Applying DNR and scrubbing the image of detail is not a remaster. Also, there are some who were looking forward to this release, not only for a "remastered" (and thus implied superior) transfer, but also for the 2nd disc of supplemental material. So it's not about personal preference unless you're referring to those who prefer to get an "ultimate edition" with extras AND a superior picture and audio experience. For those of us that want those things will get none of those things.

singhcr · 06-14-2010, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by drtre81

Disney touched up their animated films for bluray but no one has a problem with that.

I believe the grain should be intact on the Blu-ray releases of animation like Akira is, but in this case the point could be made that one would be viewing the animation cells themselves instead of the film.

In the case of animation DNR can be used effectively without ruining detail. I personally prefer a film like look but I can see the merits of either argument here.

As for live action, you can't apply excessive DNR without losing detail and/or making the film look unnatural.

I think the studios and BD player manufacturers should be touting the DNR controls available on a person's TV or BD player as a way to watch movies with the "crystal clear HD look", rather than ruining the movies for everyone.

ridergroov1 · 06-14-2010, 12:13 AM

Is anyone open to the idea that certain parts of the new one are going to look better and other scenes are going to look over DNR'd and worse? Just throwing it out there. I have mixed opinions based on some of the details in the screenshots

Except the shot of Arnold in the red shirt......

bleauboy · 06-14-2010, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by BStecke

This is priceless. Who's the one doing all the name calling? That's you, chucko.

Mr. Pot, meet Mr. Kettle.

I do not understand? Are you trying to say I am calling you names or something? Can some one explain what he's talking about?

Spike Killer · 06-14-2010, 12:19 AM

I don't think the majority of consumers have any idea about DNR and other such technical jargon that has become part of the online discussion.

HD Goofnut · 06-14-2010, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Spike Killer

I don't think the majority of consumers have any idea about DNR and other such technical jargon that has become part of the online discussion.

You're right they don't, but we do and that's what matters since the hardcore collectors make up the bulk of the studios' optical disc revenue.

bleauboy · 06-14-2010, 12:28 AM

Talked to the guy who has this said it was the best he has seen it. Still it is personal preference. He even posted some screen caps of the predator. there is no comparisons though.

http://img25.imageshack.us/f/p11ed.jpg/
http://img25.imageshack.us/f/p12f.jpg/
http://img810.imageshack.us/f/p13c.jpg/
http://img59.imageshack.us/f/p14b.jpg/
http://img819.imageshack.us/i/p15.jpg/
http://img52.imageshack.us/f/p16n.jpg/

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06-13-2010, 10:33 PM	#947
bleauboy Member Member since:Mar 2010 Location:Michigan USA Blu-ray collection:31 Blu-ray reviews:1	Yeah I guess I will stop complaining first since I like the looks of both. I think the new one obviously looks better, but the old looks good in some shots. All this debating, and I am going to buy this. Thats another thing none of us have seen the new movie yet and we're debating about it like there is no tomorrow. I know some one on another forum who has seen this or has it already. Let me ask him about it. Last edited by bleauboy; 06-13-2010 at 10:49 PM.

06-14-2010, 12:28 AM	#960
bleauboy Member Member since:Mar 2010 Location:Michigan USA Blu-ray collection:31 Blu-ray reviews:1	Talked to the guy who has this said it was the best he has seen it. Still it is personal preference. He even posted some screen caps of the predator. there is no comparisons though. http://img25.imageshack.us/f/p11ed.jpg/ http://img25.imageshack.us/f/p12f.jpg/ http://img810.imageshack.us/f/p13c.jpg/ http://img59.imageshack.us/f/p14b.jpg/ http://img819.imageshack.us/i/p15.jpg/ http://img52.imageshack.us/f/p16n.jpg/ Last edited by bleauboy; 06-14-2010 at 12:38 AM.

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06-13-2010, 06:53 PM	#941
Q? Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Dec 2008 Location:Nuuk, Greenland Blu-ray collection:168	Since I already have the two disc DVD I'll very likely get the first release. The extras on this new release is similar to the new release right?

06-13-2010, 10:21 PM	#945
supercutz Expert Member Member since:Sep 2008 4K collection:129 Blu-ray collection:2162	Let me get this straight: Camp A: thinks the original release looks great and is representative of the original grainy look of the film. Camp B: thinks the original release was a little too grainy to the point that it detracted from the PQ at times. Well, with both releases it looks like both camps will be happy so what's the problem? Does this new release somehow threaten the existence of the original mpeg2 version you already own? It looks to me like some people in this thread are just looking for a reason to complain, prove their elitism or just to insult others. All based on nothing more than personal preference.

06-13-2010, 10:50 PM	#948
DNinja Senior Member Top contributor Member since:Dec 2009 Location:Florida 4K collection:1610 Blu-ray collection:4784 DVD collection:176 Digital collection:20	I've looked at the screenshots and I'm really not sure which I like better. The new release has obviously had grain reduction, but the detail is still there. I'd prefer they didn't tamper with the movie at all, but this appears to have been carefully done. This isn't a disaster like Gladiator.

06-14-2010, 12:13 AM	#956
ridergroov1 Senior Member Member since:Dec 2008 4K collection:64 Blu-ray collection:70 Blu-ray reviews:1	Is anyone open to the idea that certain parts of the new one are going to look better and other scenes are going to look over DNR'd and worse? Just throwing it out there. I have mixed opinions based on some of the details in the screenshots Except the shot of Arnold in the red shirt......

06-14-2010, 12:19 AM	#958
Spike Killer Active Member Member since:Jan 2010 Blu-ray collection:34	I don't think the majority of consumers have any idea about DNR and other such technical jargon that has become part of the online discussion.

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