Casino Royale Deluxe Edition

[slick1ru2]

OK. Yeah, the torture scene was left in here in the States and I guess got a PG13 rating. I've been shocked, really slapped in the face shocked twice in James Bond movies. That was the second time. The first was when 007 was captured by the North Koreans in Die Another Day.


I put the disc in again tonight and now there is content on the second disc's BD Live, all new previews, nothing related to Casino Royale though. But before it had nothing at all.

Anyway, I am watching the content on disc 2 and its outstanding, all in true HD. Much of the special features goes over the Bahama connection. Ian and his friends seemed to live the life down in the Caribbean. So if you got the deluxe edition and never got around to the extras on disc 2, I think anyone with an interest in Bond and Fleming is going to find the stories on locations, the tie in with the books, the rights to the movies, Ian Fleming and his friends in the Bahamas, etc.very interesting. The amount of information, including never told before stories, and the people in the features including Flemings's friends, authors, people who worked on several of the films, historians, etc. shows this isn't the studio double dipping. They really spent a lot of thought, time, effort to put out a quality edition beyond a normal release. It probably would have delayed the initial release months if they would have waited to include this new content.

[nametag]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

OK. Yeah, the torture scene was left in here in the States and I guess got a PG13 rating.

The US version was cut in other places though (the black and white fight at the beginning, and the fight in the staircase). It's cuts also total up to about 30 seconds, whereas the UK one is cut only about 13 seconds.

I'm not sure it makes much difference to me tbh. The one I saw at the cinema and later on DVD (in the UK) was as graphic as it needed to be (in the torture scene). In fact, when looking at the differences on movie-censorship.com, I struggle to work out why those few seconds were cut from the UK version, considering they seem to just be Le Chiffre standing around with the rope and a shot of Bond's face (which evidently didn't stop me being squeamish about how much pain he was in!).

[slick1ru2]

The discussion reminds me of a movie I wanted to see, This Film Is Not Yet Rated, an exposé on the American film rating board.

[nametag]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

The discussion reminds me of a movie I wanted to see, This Film Is Not Yet Rated, an exposé on the American film rating board.

Pretty good film... I'm reasonably knowledgeable about the MPAAs practices, but this movie still revealed stuff I didn't know about, like just how secretive and hard to deal with they are. The BBFC are way fairer and more transparent by comparison.

[chip75]

Originally Posted by nametag

The US version was cut in other places though (the black and white fight at the beginning, and the fight in the staircase). It's cuts also total up to about 30 seconds, whereas the UK one is cut only about 13 seconds.

Wasn't Casino Royale UK a 12 before they brought the 12A Certificate in? I'm sure they would have cut/replaced the opening sequence if it was a 12A. There have been a couple of 12's that have been borderline 15's over the years. I've always thought The Dark Knight was a little too intense and it makes Batman's (which was a 12 in cinemas) 15 seem tame in comparison.

[Sithlord75]

Originally Posted by chip75

Wasn't Casino Royale UK a 12 before they brought the 12A Certificate in? I'm sure they would have cut/replaced the opening sequence if it was a 12A. There have been a couple of 12's that have been borderline 15's over the years. I've always thought The Dark Knight was a little too intense and it makes Batman's (which was a 12 in cinemas) 15 seem tame in comparison.

I'm sure that Tim Burton's Batman would have been a 12 if that certification were around in the late 80's.

Any film that had a 12 rating on the cinema would more than likely get a 15 rating when it came to video. I can still remember buying THE FUGITIVE on vhs after watching it on the cinema and couldn't understand why it had a 15 rating on video.

[chip75]

Originally Posted by Sithlord75

I'm sure that Tim Burton's Batman would have been a 12 if that certification were around in the late 80's.

Any film that had a 12 rating on the cinema would more than likely get a 15 rating when it came to video. I can still remember buying THE FUGITIVE on vhs after watching it on the cinema and couldn't understand why it had a 15 rating on video.

I think the murder of Kimble's wife in The Fugitive was quite brutal probably borderline 15, it probably needed a 13 1/2 Certificate! I never really understand home certificates as every Christmas out of touch parents and grand parents are out buying a whole host of 18 rated films and games for underage kiddies. They should be an advisory rating only.

[nametag]

Originally Posted by chip75

Wasn't Casino Royale UK a 12 before they brought the 12A Certificate in? I'm sure they would have cut/replaced the opening sequence if it was a 12A. There have been a couple of 12's that have been borderline 15's over the years. I've always thought The Dark Knight was a little too intense and it makes Batman's (which was a 12 in cinemas) 15 seem tame in comparison.

Nope, it was a 12A. I seem to remember the first 12A certificate was Spider-man in... 2001?

The standards have indeed relaxed in the last decade. The first 2 Alien films, for example, are 15s now (the versions that have been recently re-submitted, anyway). Batman, bizarrely, was a 12 when originally released in cinemas and a 15 on all subsequent home video releases, whilst Batman Returns was resubmitted in an uncut version in 2009 which means it got re-released as a 15 when it had been a 12 before. I agree that The Dark Knight (along with Casino Royale) are probably some of the toughest 12s I can think of, along with War of the Worlds.

I guess the thing is with a 12A that generally, it is a 12 but for anyone younger it's the parents responsibility to find out whether they wanna take their kid to it, and the BBFC website helps them do that by breaking down what's in the film. Of course, in practice, doesn't always work like that! It is all a bit ridiculous sometimes, but it's the fact that the BBFC has a proper 'adult' rating, an 18, which doesn't carry the porn-stigma that the MPAAs NC-17 does, which makes it the better rating system. And often it is the film studios who are responsible for imposing cuts (in order to get certain ratings and make more money).

[chip75]

Originally Posted by nametag

Nope, it was a 12A. I seem to remember the first 12A certificate was Spider-man in... 2001?

The standards have indeed relaxed in the last decade. The first 2 Alien films, for example, are 15s now (the versions that have been recently re-submitted, anyway). Batman, bizarrely, was a 12 when originally released in cinemas and a 15 on all subsequent home video releases, whilst Batman Returns was resubmitted in an uncut version in 2009 which means it got re-released as a 15 when it had been a 12 before. I agree that The Dark Knight (along with Casino Royale) are probably some of the toughest 12s I can think of, along with War of the Worlds.

I thought Casino Royale might have been a 12A (I rarely go to the cinema so I never pay attention to ratings until they hit home release), I think after that we had Hancock and Cloverfield which were PG-13 in the US but 15 over here.

Oddly all my Batman Returns are rated 15 and 2 of those are pre-2009.

[RuLeX]

Three Tesco's in Liverpool i've visited this week are doing it for £6 so decided to pick it up, then sold my normal bd to a mate in work for £4 so I aint done too bad. Cant remember how much I paid for it originally but still a good deal.

[chip75]

Originally Posted by RuLeX

Three Tesco's in Liverpool i've visited this week are doing it for £6 so decided to pick it up, then sold my normal bd to a mate in work for £4 so I aint done too bad. Cant remember how much I paid for it originally but still a good deal.

I spotted this yesterday, first time I've been to Tesco in ages it was no.2 in their budget chart. Bugger all else there though apart from The Knowing for a fiver.

And most of the Disney's were 10-12 pounds.