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Old 04-04-2008, 12:00 AM   #11
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Just a heads up regarding the Full/Limited discussion from earlier.

I ran some test patterns on my PS3 with the XBR4, and pretty much reached the same conclusions as the guys on AVSforum:

PS3=Limited + TV=Limited.

The XBR4 will support Full, as will the TV, however the argument against using Full is somewhat complex:

- (PS3=Full + TV=Full) looks identical to (PS3=Limited + TV=Limited) and displays correctly. Setting the RGB range to full on the PS3 for most TVs will result in crushing of both blacks and whites (analagous to setting the contrast way too high - I fear many people with RGB on Full are mistaking the increase in contrast for better color)

- Non-blu-ray movies (i.e. DVD) will not use Y Pb/b Pr/Cr, and will output in limited range (16-235). setting the color space to full on both PS3 and TV stretches the range to 0-255 and may therefore introduce banding patterns.

- if PS3 content outputs in full, then banding patterns could be introduced when compressing 0-255 downwards into a 16-235 range, but given that most HDTVs (i.e. older ones) do not support Full RGB, it is suggested that PS3 content is presented in the same 16-235 range. I have yet to see evidence either way on how PS3 content is output.

- given that movie picture quality probably is the more important factor for PS3 owners, it seems safer to set everything to limited.

For people wondering why some TV support FULL in the first place, this is a requirement for using the TV as a monitor connected to a PC.

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