Fantastic Four (2015)

[Mandalorian]

Originally Posted by The Nice Guy

There's no way Chris Evans would fit in with the rest of the cast.

I don't know what part of my post indicated that I was suggesting that.

[The Nice Guy]

Originally Posted by Mandalorian

I don't know what part of my post indicated that I was suggesting that.

You said Fox was pissed they lost the perfect Johnny Storm, but If they never had any intention to bring back any of the cast from the first 2 why would they be mad.

[Blu-Benny]

Originally Posted by Malik True

What math are you using? I stated the take "WORLDWIDE" was 619K, this means domestic and international? A movie has to generate a BILLION dollars to be successfull, c'mon stop it! FYI go visit The Numbers.com and you'll see home video sales of both movies total another 76M. That's almost 700M or put another way $700,000,000.00

once you account for marketing that worldwide # doesn't mean much. how many times have you seen a movie pull in #'s like the FF movies here in the US only to do double that overseas and never get the green light for a sequel??

based on your logic Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance should've been given a sequel b/c it's #'s were better than either Fantastic Four movie......and it also had a smaller budget.

[Grimshaw23]

Originally Posted by Blu-Benny

once you account for marketing that worldwide # doesn't mean much. how many times have you seen a movie pull in #'s like the FF movies here in the US only to do double that overseas and never get the green light for a sequel??

based on your logic Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance should've been given a sequel b/c it's #'s were better than either Fantastic Four movie......and it also had a smaller budget.

Huh, where did you get your information? Ghost Rider:SOV only made $132M Worldwide on a $57M budget so how did you figure it made more than either of the Fantastic Four movies? lol. That movie obviously lost money for the studios. The first Fantastic four movie and it's sequel made $330M and $289M worldwide, respectively which was more than doubled from their budget. Not to mention the DVD sales as well. Therefore, your argument was clearly weak. Those movies were moderate success (the sequel less so), regardless of their quality.

Fantastic Four: Worldwide BO: $330M - budget: 100M

Fantastic Four:Rise of the Silver Surfer: Worldwide BO: $289M - budget: $130M

[K-Mac]

Rooney wasn't available?

[Blu-Benny]

Originally Posted by Grimshaw23

Huh, where did you get your information? Ghost Rider:SOV only made $132M Worldwide on a $57M budget so how did you figure it made more than either of the Fantastic Four movies? lol. That movie obviously lost money for the studios. The first Fantastic four movie and it's sequel made $330M and $289M worldwide, respectively which was more than doubled from their budget. Not to mention the DVD sales as well. Therefore, your argument was clearly weak. Those movies were moderate success (the sequel less so), regardless of their quality.

Fantastic Four: Worldwide BO: $330M - budget: 100M

Fantastic Four:Rise of the Silver Surfer: Worldwide BO: $289M - budget: $130M

world wide the 1st movie tripled it's budget.....the 2nd movie doubled it's budget. Ghost Rider did little better than double it's budget. you used the same #'s I found. so where's the problem?? if the other poster is saying FF2 was such a hit....then their the same logic could be applied to a movie like Ghost Rider 2.

FF made 330% of it's budget worldwide
FF2 made 222% of it's budget worldwide
GR2 made 232% of it's budget worldwide

all I'm saying is a lot of movies do well overseas and don't warrant a sequel b/c their domestic box office wasn't very strong.

[Malik True]

Originally Posted by Blu-Benny

world wide the 1st movie tripled it's budget.....the 2nd movie doubled it's budget. Ghost Rider did little better than double it's budget. you used the same #'s I found. so where's the problem?? if the other poster is saying FF2 was such a hit....then their the same logic could be applied to a movie like Ghost Rider 2.

FF made 330% of it's budget worldwide
FF2 made 222% of it's budget worldwide
GR2 made 232% of it's budget worldwide

all I'm saying is a lot of movies do well overseas and don't warrant a sequel b/c their domestic box office wasn't very strong.

I am going to bow out of this conversation you are not making any sense to me and clearly we have different beliefs when it comes to what qualifies and quantifies a successfull theatrical release.

[The Nice Guy]

http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/02/...-doesnt-matter

Good Article from IGN

[toddly6666]

Originally Posted by The Nice Guy

http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/02/...-doesnt-matter

Good Article from IGN

it is a good article but the writer brings up the point about changing famous black superheroes being cast with white actors and acts as if that's acceptable, but it's not. It's just wrong. Can anyone imagine if black heroes were changed to white such as Black Panther, Power Man (Luke Cage), Cyborg, Spawn, Blade, Cloak, Deathlok, Misty Knight, Vixen, Jon Stewart, War Machine, Bishop, and Storm?

If no one followed comics, then yes it would be fine to make those changes, but comic book fans like when their favorite superheroes look the same in their movies - the same goes regarding costumes. Comic book fans want to see a match. No one wants to watch a white Luke Cage in the same way no one wants to watch a black suit capeless Superman with long hair or Wonder Woman with a leather jacket and jeans. It's not about being open-minded. There arent that many superhero movies produced to allow those creative changes. There seems to be a lot of superhero movies released every year but there really are not so many. Everytime our favorite hero gets put on the screen, we have to wait usually 2 to 3 years. So since there is a bit of wait, we just want to see our heroes having their traditional looks. HAD their been more superhero movies released - such as three Spiderman movies per year - then I think people would be okay with seeing these characters get more creative versions (such as black or hispanic Spiderman movies, or Fantastic Four in their ugly white costumes).

[Blu-Benny]

Originally Posted by toddly6666

it is a good article but the writer brings up the point about changing famous black superheroes being cast with white actors and acts as if that's acceptable, but it's not. It's just wrong. Can anyone imagine if black heroes were changed to white such as Black Panther, Power Man (Luke Cage), Cyborg, Spawn, Blade, Cloak, Deathlok, Misty Knight, Vixen, Jon Stewart, War Machine, Bishop, and Storm?

If no one followed comics, then yes it would be fine to make those changes, but comic book fans like when their favorite superheroes look the same in their movies - the same goes regarding costumes. Comic book fans want to see a match. No one wants to watch a white Luke Cage in the same way no one wants to watch a black suit capeless Superman with long hair or Wonder Woman with a leather jacket and jeans. It's not about being open-minded. There arent that many superhero movies produced to allow those creative changes. There seems to be a lot of superhero movies released every year but there really are not so many. Everytime our favorite hero gets put on the screen, we have to wait usually 2 to 3 years. So since there is a bit of wait, we just want to see our heroes having their traditional looks. HAD their been more superhero movies released - such as three Spiderman movies per year - then I think people would be okay with seeing these characters get more creative versions (such as black or hispanic Spiderman movies, or Fantastic Four in their ugly white costumes).

well said!!

[Darkstream]

So, according to "I was never into comic books.... I was never that kid" Anthony "The Falcon" Mackie, there's something wrong with us fans who actually read the comics, respect the source material, and would like to have the movies adapt that source material faithfully -- including the race of the characters. Yeah, there's something going on with us/me?!

Just because I'm a traditionalist doesn't make me a racist... and I'm sick of everyone that accepts this film's casting direction trying to twist it that way. It's offensive.

But I'm not going to argue the point anymore, at least not here, where you can't honestly speak your mind about it. What I am going to do is boycott the film, because even beyond the racebending, I don't think this movie is going to give me what I want, which is a traditional/faithful take on the Fantastic Four. This is one fanboy that is just not that desperate anymore to see every movie Hollywood makes based on comics, especially if it deviates from why I'd want to see the film in the first place -- which is the characters I grew up with come to life. I can only accept so much, and I'm only willing to pay so much for it. I have to draw a line someplace and I'll let my wallet do the talking.

I will be going to see Captain America: Winter Soldier, and although I take umbrage at Mackie's comment, I'm very much looking forward to his performance as The Falcon --- in which I have to say that I would not be looking forward to had they cast a white guy (even if said white guy was a better actor) as the Falcon instead.

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansit.../news/?a=95376

[mrr1]

Originally Posted by Darkstream

Just because I'm a traditionalist doesn't make me a racist... and I'm sick of everyone that accepts this film's casting direction trying to twist it that way. It's offensive.

Amen.

This is 2014. People are perfectly OK with seeing people of different races act in movies.

BUT, when famous characters in a beloved comic book are being brought to life on screen, you can't blame people for getting bent out of shape when the actors look radically different from what we've seen our entire lives.

[Infernal King]

Originally Posted by mrr1

Amen.

This is 2014. People are perfectly OK with seeing people of different races act in movies.

BUT, when famous characters in a beloved comic book are being brought to life on screen, you can't blame people for getting bent out of shape when the actors look radically different from what we've seen our entire lives.

Sounds to me like this might be a generational backlash. The old fanboys want to see comic book movies depicted as closely as possible to how they were presented on paper back in the day while most younger fans probably don't give a shit.

[the-daryl]

Thanks for that link, Darkstream.

Mackie is amusing in that he's someone who admits to not reading comics/growing up with them - but also has the brass to make a blanket statement about those that might have had a different experience.

As children, most of us looked to role models and heroes that we identified with. I think that's something that someone that never read a comic book (or experienced that connection) might easily discount.

Also, I find it odd that people are still sticking to acting talent in defense of the casting.

[Infernal King]

Originally Posted by the-daryl

Thanks for that link, Darkstream.

Mackie is amusing in that he's someone who admits to not reading comics/growing up with them - but also has the brass to make a blanket statement about those that might have had a different experience.

As children, most of us looked to role models and heroes that we identified with. I think that's something that someone that never read a comic book (or experienced that connection) might easily discount.

Also, I find it odd that people are still sticking to acting talent in defense of the casting.

Why?

And I'm assuming none of you are children anymore. I guess different people have different levels of nostalgia.

[the-daryl]

Originally Posted by Infernal King

Why?

And I'm assuming none of you are children anymore. I guess different people have different levels of nostalgia.

Because, imo, Michael B. Jordan isn't the acting phenomenon that he is made out to be. He's ok. Nothing stellar. He was immemorial in Red Tails. All of Chronicle (while a fun and interesting movie) had a very guerilla/amateurish quality to it (that included the actors). And Fruitvale Station was probably the most over-rated movie I've seen in some time.

As for not being children... Of course not, I was simply making the point that some people have stronger feelings about certain things that others discard. You're 100% correct: different people have different levels of nostalgia.

[Infernal King]

Originally Posted by the-daryl

Because, imo, Michael B. Jordan isn't the acting phenomenon that he is made out to be. He's ok. Nothing stellar. He was immemorial in Red Tails. All of Chronicle (while a fun and interesting movie) had a very guerilla/amateurish quality to it (that included the actors). And Fruitvale Station was probably the most over-rated movie I've seen in some time.

As for not being children... Of course not, I was simply making the point that some people have stronger feelings about certain things that others discard. You're 100% correct: different people have different levels of nostalgia.

Fair enough.

[mrr1]

Originally Posted by Infernal King

Sounds to me like this might be a generational backlash. The old fanboys want to see comic book movies depicted as closely as possible to how they were presented on paper back in the day while most younger fans probably don't give a shit.

No, I am a younger fan.

The thing is, if it's a movie whose source material is based on a popular comic, they should try to make the movie look as much like the comic as possible, no?

[Thomas Guycott]

Originally Posted by mrr1

The thing is, if it's a movie whose source material is based on a popular comic, they should try to make the movie look as much like the comic as possible, no?

Not always.

[The_Donster]

The way I see it, it is the Fantastic Four in name only based on what I've read. Of course it could be a red herring on Fox and the director's part, but who knows until we start seeing some footage of the movie. I honestly can't remember if I posted it here before I went on vacation or what? But I think this is where Marvel wasn't smart when it came to their Ultimate Universe. There they could have diversified and shook things up and it would have been separate from their regular Marvel Universe that most of us grew up. It was their opportunity to think outside the box sort of speak. Instead they only slightly tinkered with the formula that made the MU great. I honestly think it might have been more interesting if Spider-Man wasn't Peter Parker or Steve Rogers wasn't Cap from the get go. Back on topic, I just feel this is just a hot bag of mess at this point. It is almost like they're rushing this so that they don't lose the rights. It would be great if Disney would just buy them out and put this out of its misery.