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[schlock]

Originally Posted by rickah88

So if you, admittedly, don't prefer the "Artist Approved" Criterion version, what do you hope to achieve by posting in it's thread?

OK, got it, every thread on Bluray.com is supposed to be a big circle jerk over whatever title is being discussed. Drop your pants or get out.

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by schlock

OK, got it, every thread on Bluray.com is supposed to be a big circle jerk over whatever title is being discussed. Drop your pants or get out.

Your words.
I just find it corious when people who have stated their position on a film, and can't/won't be swayed...either way...would want to still post about it. It will only lead to back/forth discussion, that is frowned on by this site.
And let's be honest. With message board trolls in no short supply, it's very easy to have such posts come across as trollish. I'm not saying that's the case here, just saying it opens the door.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by rickah88

Nobody ever said you need to like this version, short of you.
I even stated in my last post that since you prefer the German version, have it at.
So if you, admittedly, don't prefer the "Artist Approved" Criterion version, what do you hope to achieve by posting in it's thread? Sway those who do prefer this version?
There are 1000's of BDs for which I don't care. Here what I don't do: post in their threads. But that's just me.

This is a discussion forum, not a fan club. I've said that many times in threads. Yes, you did indeed say I have a choice, and if I prefer the German edition, I should go for it. I agree, and I'm glad people do have the option. But not everybody has that option - if they see this in a retail store (yes, I do see Criterion titles in stores), and they buy this, then I feel sorry for them, as imo a much better transfer exists that many won't know about. Honestly, how many people in the US actually buy German blu-rays, outside of this forum and a few others? How many even know you can import titles and play them on special players? I'm betting not many know that.

As far as what I hope to achieve by discussing this - again, it's a discussion forum. So I'm taking part in it. We don't all have to agree and that's fine.

I have every right to post in this thread - I'm not bashing the film and saying "this film sucks - you're all nuts for liking this" like some people do. I enjoy the film and that's why I'm sad to see it get a transfer like this.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by rickah88

Your words.
I just find it corious when people who have stated their position on a film, and can't/won't be swayed...either way...would want to still post about it. It will only lead to back/forth discussion, that is frowned on by this site.
And let's be honest. With message board trolls in no short supply, it's very easy to have such posts come across as trollish. I'm not saying that's the case here, just saying it opens the door.

Because it's a discussion forum. Key word being discussion. So people are trolls unless they agree wholeheartedly with the majority opinion and praise every transfer regardless of merit? I've proven by now I'm not a troll. I've been a member in here for years and take part in tons of threads, often offering help when I can. And I always try to be civil.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by nagysaudio

Criterion's version looks superb. There's tons more detail than on the DE and UK discs. No sharpening, no blown-out contrast. Very film like. This is a great transfer. I even prefer the new color grading. Looks more like a professionally done movie instead of a half baked B one. I'll be picking this up

Cronenberg, please do The Fly in the same manner.

I see no evidence that the Criterion has "tons" more detail then the German disc.

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by mar3o

This is a discussion forum, not a fan club. I've said that many times in threads. Yes, you did indeed say I have a choice, and if I prefer the German edition, I should go for it. I agree, and I'm glad people do have the option. But not everybody has that option - if they see this in a retail store (yes, I do see Criterion titles in stores), and they buy this, then I feel sorry for them, as imo a much better transfer exists that many won't know about. Honestly, how many people in the US actually buy German blu-rays, outside of this forum and a few others? How many even know you can import titles and play them on special players? I'm betting not many know that.

As far as what I hope to achieve by discussing this - again, it's a discussion forum. So I'm taking part in it. We don't all have to agree and that's fine.

I have every right to post in this thread - I'm not bashing the film and saying "this film sucks - you're all nuts for liking this" like some people do. I enjoy the film and that's why I'm sad to see it get a transfer like this.

Exactly this is niche of the niche, right here.
I know it's a discussion forum, but if you're only bringing "I don't care one bit for this release" to the table, then what is actually being discussed?

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by rickah88

Exactly this is niche of the niche, right here.
I know it's a discussion forum, but if you're only bringing "I don't care one bit for this release" to the table, then what is actually being discussed?

And what does it bring to the table if every person comes in and just starts spewing "OMG this is the best transfer ever!!"?

Why can't people have a difference of opinion without some people getting all bent out of shape?

[MifuneFan]

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by mar3o

And what does it bring to the table if every person comes in and just starts spewing "OMG this is the best transfer ever!!"?

Why can't people have a difference of opinion without some people getting all bent out of shape?

Nothing. But those posts don't cause back/forth. Which is a fact.

It's like when I go into the Star Wars thread and praise Lucas for all his work. I get, roundly, set upon by several members.
Where's the justice?

Also most of those people that stated: :"OMG this is the best transfer ever!!", are usually one & done posts....yet those that don't like this release feel the need to stick around and keep reminding everyone that they don't like this release. Hmmmmm....

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by rickah88

Nothing. But those posts don't cause back/forth. Which is a fact.

It's like when I go into the Star Wars thread and praise Lucas for all his work. I get, roundly, set upon by several members.
Where's the justice?

Also most of those people that stated: :"OMG this is the best transfer ever!!", are usually one & done posts....yet those that don't like this release feel the need to stick around and keep reminding everyone that they don't like this release. Hmmmmm....

You're the one who seems to like to stick around and find fault with other people's posts. Actually, since somebody earlier requested for someone to post screencaps of Terror in the Aisles off the Halloween II Universal blu-ray, I was planning to do that. At least that's contributing. Why are you sticking around?

And I didn't know there was a time limit on how long somebody can remain in a thread and post.

[schlock]

Personally, I love seeing back and forth as it is a discussion board. And telling someone to basically shut up or say they should stop stating their opinion is just going to keep the back and forth going longer. If you don't like back and forth, stop participating in it and it will stop.

[The Film Expert]

There should not even be any arguments over this. David Cronenberg wants it to look this way. It is completely accurate to his vision and that's the way it should be.

Guaranteed everybody would like it if they just sat down and watched it without digging around for arguments to put down the disc.

The same goes for all that digital noise reduction and edge enhancement that people go on and on about when they wouldn't even notice anything wrong if they never consulted with other armchair experts and spent hours of their time looking it up online.

I'm seeing familiar faces in here that were complaining about the colors of The Good, the Bad and the Ugly which was also approved by someone who worked on the film.

Let these people be able to present you their work in the way they want you to see it, not the way you necessarily want to see it. That's what I don't get about the people that go crazy for the original Star Wars films. The special editions are what George Lucas wants you to see, that is his true vision, not the flawed inferior theatrical cuts.

If you don't have anything nice to say about something then stop dedicating so much of your time just to complain about it.

To detract from the negativity on here I'd like to say that my views still haven't changed and I will be supporting this disc 100%. A lot of my friends and family will be getting this as gifts.

-The Film Expert

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by mar3o

You're the one who seems to like to stick around and find fault with other people's posts. Actually, since somebody earlier requested for someone to post screencaps of Terror in the Aisles off the Halloween II Universal blu-ray, I was planning to do that. At least that's contributing. Why are you sticking around?

And I didn't know there was a time limit on how long somebody can remain in a thread and post.

I'm "sticking around" because I have this gem preordered, and I'd like to hear any/all info I can about it. Which, I believe, is the #1 reason for these forums.

[NoirFan]

Originally Posted by The Film Expert

The same goes for all that digital noise reduction and edge enhancement that people go on and on about when they wouldn't even notice anything wrong if they never consulted with other armchair experts and spent hours of their time looking it up online.

Uh, speak for yourself there. DNR, edge enhancement, poor compression, etc. are often easily discernible, especially when the discs are viewed on larger screens.

[Bluebolt]

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

Can you also make his head explode? I want to see his head explode.

[Brian81]

Originally Posted by The Film Expert

There should not even be any arguments over this. David Cronenberg wants it to look this way. It is completely accurate to his vision and that's the way it should be.

Guaranteed everybody would like it if they just sat down and watched it without digging around for arguments to put down the disc.

The same goes for all that digital noise reduction and edge enhancement that people go on and on about when they wouldn't even notice anything wrong if they never consulted with other armchair experts and spent hours of their time looking it up online.

I'm seeing familiar faces in here that were complaining about the colors of The Good, the Bad and the Ugly which was also approved by someone who worked on the film.

Let these people be able to present you their work in the way they want you to see it, not the way you necessarily want to see it. That's what I don't get about the people that go crazy for the original Star Wars films. The special editions are what George Lucas wants you to see, that is his true vision, not the flawed inferior theatrical cuts.

If you don't have anything nice to say about something then stop dedicating so much of your time just to complain about it.

To detract from the negativity on here I'd like to say that my views still haven't changed and I will be supporting this disc 100%. A lot of my friends and family will be getting this as gifts.

-The Film Expert

Why bother even picking up movies if they're eternal "works in progress".

[NoirFan]

Originally Posted by Bluebolt

Can you also make his head explode? I want to see his head explode.

Also, I'd like to see him clapping with grim, exaggerated enthusiasm. That way, the three most overused animated GIFs of all time can be combined into one neat, tidy little package.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by rickah88

I'm "sticking around" because I have this gem preordered, and I'd like to hear any/all info I can about it. Which, I believe, is the #1 reason for these forums.

No kidding? And maybe that's why I'm in here too. Imagine that! So I can hear and learn more about the opinions on this transfer.

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by mar3o

No kidding? And maybe that's why I'm in here too. Imagine that! So I can hear and learn more about the opinions on this transfer.

I see. I was under the impression, you had already made up your mind based on the images posted, and that the German version was the one for you.

[Christian Muth]

Originally Posted by mar3o

Criterion's Videodrome was cropped quite dramatically compared to the Universal disc. But Criterion's disc looked far better, despite the drastic cropping. I have no idea what happened with the cropping in that film. So I guess Criterion does make some odd choices at times regarding aspect ratios or cropping. Supposedly Videodrome was approved by the cinematographer and Cronenberg. At least the colors were natural-looking in that film.

Re: the "cropping" of Criterion's VIDEODROME vs. the Universal release. The Universal release mostly shows extra image on the left side of the frame, which happens to be where the optical soundtrack would be placed on release prints. Lots of 35mm productions are filmed "full aperture" which means the entire negative is exposed, even though that left side area where the optical soundtrack goes will never (or at least, should never) be seen. I'm guessing whoever did the Universal transfer- likely from an IP which would show the entire exposed image since there will not be an optical track on it- didn't realize that area should have been cropped off and treated VIDEODROME like a Super-35 movie composed for 1.85. Criterion, on the other hand, got it right and removed the dead space where the optical track would be.

Chris