Star Wars: The Skywalker Saga 4K UHD (1977-2019)

[motorheadache95]

Originally Posted by FiendishlyInventive

It's almost as if some things are good and some things are bad, and people will never stop voicing criticism so by all means open a discussion but it's the most pointless thing to whine, about whining.

Yeah, I notice people tend to think of the "Star Wars fanbase" as if it's a giant entity with contradictory opinions. The amount of Star Wars fans is too big for there even to be any consistent "general consensus" opinions, outside of perhaps the original Star Wars and Empire being the best two films overall.

Some people hate the prequels, some the sequels, some the sequels and the prequels. I doubt most of the people that never liked the prequels are "reevaluating them" after the sequels, as I think that entire line of thinking is from people that always liked the prequels and are just using that as fuel to trash the sequels.

Hell, I'll bet there's a group somewhere that thinks The Crystal Star is an underrated gem of a novel

[KRW1]

Originally Posted by motorheadache95

Yeah, I notice people tend to think of the "Star Wars fanbase" as if it's a giant entity with contradictory opinions. The amount of Star Wars fans is too big for there even to be any consistent "general consensus" opinions, outside of perhaps the original Star Wars and Empire being the best two films overall.

For me, it's like a sports team; there's times when you love it and times when you think 'what the hell are you doing?', sometimes in the same scene.

[Nitroboy]

Originally Posted by KRW1

For me, it's like a sports team; there's times when you love it and times when you think 'what the hell are you doing?', sometimes in the same scene.

And times where you think: "The old management was better!"

[KRW1]

Originally Posted by Nitroboy

And times where you think: "The old management was better!"

Only sometimes

[MOS3]

Well, I’ve never claimed the prequels to be perfect movies but I’ve loved them since day one. Can’t say the same about the sequels. I don’t hate them but I don really feel like rewatching them. More disappointment than anything else I guess.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Nitroboy

And times where you think: "The old management was better!"

Plus also: "I wish we had our old striker back!"

[Bobbyjoe766]

Originally Posted by motorheadache95

Yeah, I notice people tend to think of the "Star Wars fanbase" as if it's a giant entity with contradictory opinions. The amount of Star Wars fans is too big for there even to be any consistent "general consensus" opinions, outside of perhaps the original Star Wars and Empire being the best two films overall.

Some people hate the prequels, some the sequels, some the sequels and the prequels. I doubt most of the people that never liked the prequels are "reevaluating them" after the sequels, as I think that entire line of thinking is from people that always liked the prequels and are just using that as fuel to trash the sequels.

Hell, I'll bet there's a group somewhere that thinks The Crystal Star is an underrated gem of a novel

STAR WARS & THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK, is all I need. The remainder - being as bad as they are - are very easy to ignore.

43 years and counting ... Nine chapters, spin-off movies, cartoons/animations - and one shite holiday special ... and only two genuine classic films to show for it all.

[PRO-630HD]

I have to be honest, I think Return of the Jedi is far better than people give it credit for. It has a superb triple climax and is a solid conclusion to the trilogy. The one massive error were the Ewoks on Endor when it should have been as originally written, Wookies on Kashyyk. Lawrence Kasden and Harrison Ford both hated the idea. It is the one major weak point in the conclusion.

Lucas had said the Wookies were to technologically advanced to be in the film. Truth be told look at planet Earth. We have tribes of very primitive man living in the Amazon in 2020 with no modern amenities. It also made the most powerful force in the universe seem incredibly inept thereby belittling the threat of the Empire. Teddy Bears taking down the most ruthless military in the Galaxy took away some of the impact.

[ImBlu_DaBaDee]

I still maintain that The Force Awakens, Rogue One, and The Last Jedi are all great Star Wars films and better films than the prequels. Those films all have solid acting and characters and the technical merits are near flawless with a gorgeous marriage of digital and practical. The prequels only best them in the music department. I still remember the high everyone was one after Force Awakens released (not even Endgame outgrossed it here in the States!) feeling that Star Wars was back. Unfortunately Disney and Lucasfilm’s hubris sent the whole thing toppling down. By pumping out too much product too quick without cohesive planning, we ended up with a competent yet bland and unnecessary side quest in Solo (which feels like an even more pointless project now that we have The Mandalorian, which has handled smaller stories with gritty gunslinging characters far better than that 300 million dollar misfire). And then of course, Rise of Skywalker - a rushed nonsensical hack job that had the impact of wet tissue paper.

Still, overall I don’t think the Star Wars franchise has been ruined by Disney as many claim. We have two all-time great films with Last Jedi and Rogue One, a solid streaming show with The Mandalorian that seems to represent the future of the series, a good movie in The Force Awakens that has unfortunately been soured by the dreadful conclusion Rise of Skywalker provided, and one of the greatest theme park rides in Disney history with Rise of the Resistance. The final episodes of The Clone Wars were great too. I would gladly take any of this stuff over Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones.

[Hardback247]

Originally Posted by PRO-630HD

Teddy Bears taking down the most ruthless military in the Galaxy took away some of the impact.

You might as well think that the thought of the Vietcong defeating American soldiers also takes away some of the impact.

[Hardback247]

Originally Posted by ImBlu_DaBaDee

And then of course, Rise of Skywalker - a rushed nonsensical hack job that had the impact of wet tissue paper.

Not even the huge climax with all of those many ships, the Jedi voices, and the intense music, had any impact on you?

[Hardback247]

Originally Posted by motorheadache95

The sequels are what happens when you don't plan out a trilogy and botch the execution.

The prequels are what happens when you kind of but don't really plan out a trilogy and botch the execution.

The original trilogy is what happens when you kind of but don't really plan out a trilogy and nail the execution.

AGAIN, why do people suddenly care so much if something has been planned out or not?? Don't they know how the creative process works?

[USAngel]

Originally Posted by Hardback247

AGAIN, why do people suddenly care so much if something has been planned out or not?? Don't they know how the creative process works?

Because how do you take a franchise that fans love, promise to tell a new story, and then just make it up as you go? Like in school. There's a difference between a very well planned out essay with paragraphs and whatnot that work cohesively, and a poorly written essay that you just write and write until you meet the word count. Because of no planning, JJ homaged Episode IV. Rian decided to homage Empire (our heroes are separated, the jedi leaves to be trained, and this time the large walker battle is at the end!), and then JJ retconned what came before and tried to make his own VIII and IX. Had there been a singular vision, like the lead up to Avengers: Endgame, no doubt it would have been more satisfying.

Btw, those ships on Exegol made me kinda happy, but it should have had more fan service like Endgame. Just imagine if we saw something like a CIS battleship being commanded by a rogue crew of Battle Droids coming to the rescue. IS THAT TOO MUCH TO ASK!?

[Bobbyjoe766]

Originally Posted by Hardback247

Not even the huge climax with all of those many ships, the Jedi voices, and the intense music, had any impact on you?

I liked the bit when all the ships arrived to help out, and the music score started swelling up - that was a really nice moment, but the rest of the film was mostly mediocre to shite.

[Hardback247]

Originally Posted by USAngel

Because how do you take a franchise that fans love, promise to tell a new story, and then just make it up as you go?

Stories are ALWAYS made up as they go. That's how the creative process works. You don't just come up with everything you want to tell all at once.

[Hardback247]

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[Bn43]

Rise of Skywalker was a mess. It wouldn't have been as poor if it hadn't tried to undo The Last Jedi and please the complainers. (Although, there's plenty of other stuff that annoyed me.) I hope JJ Abrams' lack of professionalism follows him, makes creative producers and writers reconsider working with him. Because I really find refusing to work from the previous director's vision and stubbornly sticking to your original idea unprofessional.

[Show spoiler]I was glad when Snoke was killed in The Last Jedi, because it meant we wouldn't have a repeat of Return of the Jedi in the final episode. I also liked what The Last Jedi said about the Jedi and Sith, trying to expand the story into more than the light and dark sides. I looked forward to Kylo Ren being the villain and trying to rule the galaxy for purposes other than evil. (He never seemed truly evil.) But no, there had to be another big bad who the hero was related to and whom the hero and antagonist defeated together in another simple good versus evil story.

Overall, I'm super disappointed the prequels weren't more unique, didn't try to take the saga in a new direction, and I blame that mostly on Kennedy and Abrams. I'll stick with the first six, mostly the original three, and never watch the sequels again.

[Bn43]

[Show spoiler]By the way, since when could force ghosts manipulate the world. If Luke even in the afterlife can lift an X-Wing out of the water, why doesn't HE just defeat Palpatine? Or help?

[WBMakeVMarsMovieNOW]

Originally Posted by Bn43

Rise of Skywalker was a mess. It wouldn't have been as poor if it hadn't tried to undo The Last Jedi and please the complainers. (Although, there's plenty of other stuff that annoyed me.) I hope JJ Abrams' lack of professionalism follows him, makes creative producers and writers reconsider working with him. Because I really find refusing to work from the previous director's vision and stubbornly sticking to your original idea unprofessional.

[Show spoiler]I was glad when Snoke was killed in The Last Jedi, because it meant we wouldn't have a repeat of Return of the Jedi in the final episode. I also liked what The Last Jedi said about the Jedi and Sith, trying to expand the story into more than the light and dark sides. I looked forward to Kylo Ren being the villain and trying to rule the galaxy for purposes other than evil. (He never seemed truly evil.) But no, there had to be another big bad who the hero was related to and whom the hero and antagonist defeated together in another simple good versus evil story.

Overall, I'm super disappointed the prequels weren't more unique, didn't try to take the saga in a new direction, and I blame that mostly on Kennedy and Abrams. I'll stick with the first six, mostly the original three, and never watch the sequels again.

He didn't just toss out TLJ.

It's not like RJ was creating the entire story plus JJ was working on it before he ever was and JJ did try to keep many core basics of the Lucas plans even if things got moved around and many individual adventures were different over the course of the sequels and so on. If someone strayed too far and wouldn't budge, they got booted, thus they had to switch to JJ to finish the last one and what RJ did still stayed within workable bounds.

[Show spoiler]Some stuff like Rey being part of the same split vergence in the force as Skywalkers and tied to Ben by that could already be guessed right after having watched TLJ combined with knowing the overall requisite mythological arc required.

It's not like JJ didn't invite Lucas in for a talk about how to wrap it all up.

Now it is true that the sequels didn't become quite as unique. Disney and all became too obsessed with the prequel-hater trolls. They tried to not risk going out there with the set design, for the first one at least. They cut out most of the mystical force background details and microworld and stuff that was supposed to be in them.

It wrapped up the entire series pretty darn well without messing up the mythology and fitting with what they had after 7 and 8 which was not easy.

As far as your seeming to want Gray Jedi, that was never a thing. Never canon and the canon keepers already said so back then. Lucas himself said so.

Kylo Ren the benevolent dictator who isn't all that evil and only blows up a few tens of billions of people as needed and let us see where that goes?

1-9 are a trilogy of trilogies and had a certain mythology that had to be followed, you couldn't just go free form at the end

that wasn't the place for that, other sagas before or after could be

[WBMakeVMarsMovieNOW]

Originally Posted by Bn43

[Show spoiler]By the way, since when could force ghosts manipulate the world. If Luke even in the afterlife can lift an X-Wing out of the water, why doesn't HE just defeat Palpatine? Or help?

[Show spoiler]Yoda poked Luke with a stick and set the Jedi Temple on fire in TLJ

but those didn't affect anything in a major way

in 4-6 they said we can appear and guide a bit and can sit and break sticks as we walk but we can't interfere in the major goings on, in part because that would be considered dark side but dark side can't be spirits of that sort