Star Trek The Motion Picture Director's Edition 4K UHD/DLX (1979)

[Jeyl]

Originally Posted by Bolty

And they cut (from an earlier version of the script) an epic ship battle with a Romulan warbird and replaced it with the scene on the 18th century sailing ship to -- "avoid the cliche of opening the movie with an action sequence".
Fine, then replace it with something...I don't know...good?

Given that this was Moore and Braga's first theatrical film, they were open to a TON of suggestions. Any time someone came to them with a suggestion, they latched onto it. Listening to Jery Taylor's suggestions did not help. For starters, the film does open with an action scene involving the rescue of the El-Aurian refugees. Having an action scene where the Enterprise comes in to save the day would have done a lot to show how things have progressed in the future. For the audience, the new Enterprise is commanded by a competent Captain, the crew are experienced at what they're doing and they manage to save everyone on the station instead of a just Soran. But that's too predictable.

So instead, we have a very out of place sequence involving a promotional ceremony for Worf... on an Earth boat. A ceremony that we have never seen in Star Trek before or since. So instead of showing our new Star Trek heroes in a competent, professional and heroic light, we see them act like a bunch of doofus arrogant pin heads who can't even run a ceremony properly And to top it off, by the time they arrive to the station that was under attack by Romulans, everyone is dead except for the main villain who the crew rescues.

And these are the heroes who the marketing proclaimed would take on the "torch of adventure" from the original series crew.

The promotional ceremony is also a great example of how poorly Generations handled its budget. They crafted and tailored all those sailor outfits for the entire cast for this one scene (and a bit on the bridge) yet for their actual starfleet uniforms that they would spend the rest of the movie in, they elected to only tailor new uniforms for Picard and Data and had everyone else either wear their TNG show uniforms or borrow uniforms from DS9. The latter one being quite hilarious since you can tell the DS9 uniforms did not fit the actors at all. And they did this because they thought the zippers on the TNG uniforms would look goofy.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Jeyl

Given that this was Moore and Braga's first theatrical film, they were open to a TON of suggestions. Any time someone came to them with a suggestion, they latched onto it. Listening to Jery Taylor's suggestions did not help. For starters, the film does open with an action scene involving the rescue of the El-Aurian refugees. Having an action scene where the Enterprise comes in to save the day would have done a lot to show how things have progressed in the future. For the audience, the new Enterprise is commanded by a competent Captain, the crew are experienced at what they're doing and they manage to save everyone on the station instead of a just Soran. But that's too predictable.

So instead, we have a very out of place sequence involving a promotional ceremony for Worf... on an Earth boat. A ceremony that we have never seen in Star Trek before or since. So instead of showing our new Star Trek heroes in a competent, professional and heroic light, we see them act like a bunch of doofus arrogant pin heads who can't even run a ceremony properly And to top it off, by the time they arrive to the station that was under attack by Romulans, everyone is dead except for the main villain who the crew rescues.

And these are the heroes who the marketing proclaimed would take on the "torch of adventure" from the original series crew.

The promotional ceremony is also a great example of how poorly Generations handled its budget. They crafted and tailored all those sailor outfits for the entire cast for this one scene (and a bit on the bridge) yet for their actual starfleet uniforms that they would spend the rest of the movie in, they elected to only tailor new uniforms for Picard and Data and had everyone else either wear their TNG show uniforms or borrow uniforms from DS9. The latter one being quite hilarious since you can tell the DS9 uniforms did not fit the actors at all. And they did this because they thought the zippers on the TNG uniforms would look goofy.

Banned from a Star Trek FB group, you say? Can't imagine why

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Bolty

He was banned from the Star Trek The Motion Picture Club specifically -- not from any other concerning Generations (if there is such a thing)

I didn't agree with what he said but the ban was too harsh. IMO guy the who runs the TMP Facebook club is a bit of a tyrant and know-it-all.

That's why I said "a Star Trek FB group". Tyrants and know-it-alls don't generally like it when other people get tyrannical and know-it-all-y. Ahem.

[Bolty]

A Star Trek club without know-it-alls wouldn't have any members or a maximum of one.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Lava_Lander

"Generations" truly needs the remaster because of the awful, awful color timing on the 2009 Blu-ray release

So it should have the NTSC pinkish hue of the non-anamorphic DVD version? BS. Whomever posted that doesn't know what the color timing was supposed to look like. Except for the DNR and lack of anti-aliasing on the disc, the rest is pretty accurate. You can actually see the starfields for one because they're washed out on that DVD.

[starmike]

Originally Posted by Jeyl

Given that this was Moore and Braga's first theatrical film, they were open to a TON of suggestions. Any time someone came to them with a suggestion, they latched onto it. Listening to Jery Taylor's suggestions did not help. For starters, the film does open with an action scene involving the rescue of the El-Aurian refugees. Having an action scene where the Enterprise comes in to save the day would have done a lot to show how things have progressed in the future. For the audience, the new Enterprise is commanded by a competent Captain, the crew are experienced at what they're doing and they manage to save everyone on the station instead of a just Soran. But that's too predictable.

So instead, we have a very out of place sequence involving a promotional ceremony for Worf... on an Earth boat. A ceremony that we have never seen in Star Trek before or since. So instead of showing our new Star Trek heroes in a competent, professional and heroic light, we see them act like a bunch of doofus arrogant pin heads who can't even run a ceremony properly And to top it off, by the time they arrive to the station that was under attack by Romulans, everyone is dead except for the main villain who the crew rescues.

And these are the heroes who the marketing proclaimed would take on the "torch of adventure" from the original series crew.

The promotional ceremony is also a great example of how poorly Generations handled its budget. They crafted and tailored all those sailor outfits for the entire cast for this one scene (and a bit on the bridge) yet for their actual starfleet uniforms that they would spend the rest of the movie in, they elected to only tailor new uniforms for Picard and Data and had everyone else either wear their TNG show uniforms or borrow uniforms from DS9. The latter one being quite hilarious since you can tell the DS9 uniforms did not fit the actors at all. And they did this because they thought the zippers on the TNG uniforms would look goofy.

JC on a cracker. Any other silly things you want to complain about? Fonts, perhaps?

[oddbox83]

Originally Posted by Jeyl

The promotional ceremony is also a great example of how poorly Generations handled its budget. They crafted and tailored all those sailor outfits for the entire cast for this one scene (and a bit on the bridge) yet for their actual starfleet uniforms that they would spend the rest of the movie in, they elected to only tailor new uniforms for Picard and Data and had everyone else either wear their TNG show uniforms or borrow uniforms from DS9. The latter one being quite hilarious since you can tell the DS9 uniforms did not fit the actors at all. And they did this because they thought the zippers on the TNG uniforms would look goofy.

They did design new uniforms actually, but they backtracked late in the day after they'd already spent the money on them, hence the borrowing of uniforms from elsewhere. The action figures used the originally intended uniforms. The combadge with the delta sitting on a cut-out rectangle was done for the movie and does survive the costume rethink, and was carried over into DS9 and Voyager.

I like the result of it though - we have a transition period from one uniform style to the other for the first time on an existing ship (we'd seen the different DS9 co-existing with TNG ones already of course), instead of everyone already wearing the new one.

[Lionel Horsepackage]

Originally Posted by Jeyl

Given that this was Moore and Braga's first theatrical film, they were open to a TON of suggestions. Any time someone came to them with a suggestion, they latched onto it. Listening to Jery Taylor's suggestions did not help. For starters, the film does open with an action scene involving the rescue of the El-Aurian refugees. Having an action scene where the Enterprise comes in to save the day would have done a lot to show how things have progressed in the future. For the audience, the new Enterprise is commanded by a competent Captain, the crew are experienced at what they're doing and they manage to save everyone on the station instead of a just Soran. But that's too predictable.

Here's where I make my usual argument that John Harriman didn't come off that badly in Generations. He made a bunch of suggestions that were perfectly sound in theory, but were scuttled only by the fact that the ship was incomplete, which wasn't his fault. And once he ran out of ideas, he made the wisest, most responsible decision possible by deferring to the more experienced captain, rather than clinging to his pride. I think that deserves respect.

[RalphoR]

Maybe you get some Smørrebrød Open Sandwiches with each movie?

[rickardl]

Pre-orders up at CDON in the Nordic countries for the 3 UHDs and 1 one blu-ray.
2022-09-12 star-trek-v-the-final-frontier-4k
https://cdon.se/film/star-trek-v-the...-ray-101225081
2022-09-19 star-trek-vi-the-undiscovered-country-4k
https://cdon.se/film/star-trek-vi-th...-ray-101225086
2022-09-26 star-trek-the-motion-picture-director-s-edition-4k & blu-ray
https://cdon.se/film/star-trek-the-m...-ray-101224989
https://cdon.se/film/star-trek-the-m...-ray-101224986

[Lord Method Man]

Originally Posted by oddbox83

I like the result of it though - we have a transition period from one uniform style to the other for the first time on an existing ship (we'd seen the different DS9 co-existing with TNG ones already of course), instead of everyone already wearing the new one.

That's actually the most realistic part of the whole thing. That's normal when militaries change uniforms. I can remember a time back around 2003 when about half of the Marines on base were wearing the old BDU-style uniform and the other half wore the new MARPAT design.

[Jeyl]

Originally Posted by Lionel Horsepackage

Here's where I make my usual argument that John Harriman didn't come off that badly in Generations. He made a bunch of suggestions that were perfectly sound in theory, but were scuttled only by the fact that the ship was incomplete, which wasn't his fault. And once he ran out of ideas, he made the wisest, most responsible decision possible by deferring to the more experienced captain, rather than clinging to his pride. I think that deserves respect.

Oh, I don't fault John Harriman's performance at all. In fact, he actually does a better job as a Starfleet Captain than Picard does. At the end of the day, John Harriman mounts a rescue mission that manages to save 47 refugees with Kirk being the ship's only casualty. Not great, but it could have been worse. Like Picard losing his ship, his crew and an entire populated solar system. At least John Harriman didn't resort to time travel.

Personally, I wish the story continued with the aftermath of that rescue mission. The stuff that John Harriman would have had to deal with could have made for a great Star Trek story. You've got the Enterprise legacy, burdens of command and expectations from not just your crew, but yourself. All we get with Picard is him crying over a family he allowed to burn to death.

[RegressiveScan]

Interesting… the site for the Bull Moose retail chain has pre-order placeholder pages up for two different editions of a ST:TMP DE 4K+Blu-ray set.

Deluxe:
https://www.bullmoose.com/p/35370729...v-w-digital-pg

Regular:
https://www.bullmoose.com/p/35370730...t-w-digital-pg

(Via the user Dave Dennis on the Facebook Appreciation group thing.)

[Number_6]

Maybe one of those TMP releases is a steelbook?

[RegressiveScan]

You got some malformed URLs there Bolty ol buddy.

I think for the first link you meant to use:

https://www.bullmoose.com/p/35424368

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Bolty

"4K/Blu-Ray Directors Com Adv W/Digital"

is "Directors Com Adv" possibly standing for "Director's Complete Adventure" --
possibly indicating all 3 versions of the movie?!

That's abbreviation for the type of movie - Comedy/Adventure. Which is bizarre since it's not at all a comedy unless they're talking about IV & V.

[Lava_Lander]

Originally Posted by Bolty

^This is a real mystery. Is this all 6 movies? Which would be 8 or 9 cuts depending on how ST 6 is being handled. $112.97

It's probably all six theatrical editions. I can see the TMP Director's Edition remaining as a standalone, at least at release time...

[david_blu]

Originally Posted by Bolty

OK, they have THREE pre-orders up at Bullmoose for STTMP DE. One is possible box set with multiple movies and one is a solo release and is the third an ULTIMATE SET with all 3 versions?

https://www.bullmoose.com/p/35424368

^This is all 6 movies? Which would be 8 or 9 cuts depending on how ST 6 is being handled. $112.97

https://www.bullmoose.com/p/35370729


^ the $99.97 pre-order abbreviates as such....

"4K/Blu-Ray Directors Com Adv W/Digital"

is "Directors Com Adv" possibly standing for "Director's Complete Adventure" --
possibly indicating all 3 versions of the movie?!

6 discs? Two each for Theatrical/DE/SLV?

They'd have the SLV fans over a barrel for sure. Only way to get it is the Box Set.

I hope the deluxe set does not include the new remastered 2cd soundtrack because that would be incredibly annoying as I just bought it...when I already own the 3cd soundtrack from La La already.

[CSmuggler]

I can’t remember Paramount ever including a CD with a movie. So I sincerely doubt they will now.

[suspiciouscoffee]

If they do though, you can hang on to your previous CD copy until the limited La La Land release sells out and you can resell it for more.