Bitstreaming takes away menu sounds and pip!

[Stu123]

shock ive just read this on using bitstream on the HD tracks

There is a drawback to this method. If you use bitstream you will not hear the disc menu sounds or the secondary track for Bonus View Picture-in-Picture features. The menu sounds are no big deal, but you may like Bonus View. Fortunately you are likely to watch the disc without Bonus View the first time and use the Bonus View during a second viewing, so there is a very easy workaround.

this sucks! i was pleased i was going to be able to have the HD codec lights on my reciever and now this has put me right off i might just select PCM and decode in the player now and the menu sounds are a big deal for me they're all part of experiencing the best out of the disc.

[solarrdadd]

Originally Posted by stubiedoo

shock ive just read this on using bitstream on the HD tracks

There is a drawback to this method. If you use bitstream you will not hear the disc menu sounds or the secondary track for Bonus View Picture-in-Picture features. The menu sounds are no big deal, but you may like Bonus View. Fortunately you are likely to watch the disc without Bonus View the first time and use the Bonus View during a second viewing, so there is a very easy workaround.

this sucks! i was pleased i was going to be able to have the HD codec lights on my reciever and now this has put me right off i might just select PCM and decode in the player now and the menu sounds are a big deal for me they're all part of experiencing the best out of the disc.

I bitstream and i get menu sounds, just not secondary tracks. for me i want to watch and enjoy the movie in the best sound i can with my system and focus completely on the movie. later, i have no problem changing the audio options so i can get those secondary tracks but i save that stuff for maybe the second time i am going to watch a movie. but i do understand your unhappyness. you can still enjoy the vanity light on your receiver, just watch the movie once in it's intended form then later go back and enable the secondary audio and watch it again for a detailed feature filled experience.

[Stu123]

Originally Posted by solarrdadd

I bitstream and i get menu sounds, just not secondary tracks. for me i want to watch and enjoy the movie in the best sound i can with my system and focus completely on the movie. later, i have no problem changing the audio options so i can get those secondary tracks but i save that stuff for maybe the second time i am going to watch a movie. but i do understand your unhappyness. you can still enjoy the vanity light on your receiver, just watch the movie once in it's intended form then later go back and enable the secondary audio and watch it again for a detailed feature filled experience.

what do i need to do to hear the pip track then? set it to pcm?

[solarrdadd]

Originally Posted by stubiedoo

what do i need to do to hear the pip track then? set it to pcm?

enable it in the blu-ray movie menu. that i am aware of only the ps3 player that exist that will decode lossless audio, as well as send out secondary audio tracks at the same time as an LPCM. with the ps3 slim, if you set it up to bitstream, and enabled secondary audio for pip, the ps3 slim will automatically switch to lpcm so it can still send out lossless audio with the secondary audio for your pip. thanks to it's cell processors only the ps3 (fat) & the ps3 (slim) can do this.

again, in your movie, select the secondary audio and then display with your ps3 controller to see that you are getting lossless & secondary audio sent, then, see what your receiver is saying it's getting.

best of luck, hope that helps. keep us posted so everyone can learn of the results.

[gyjytyas]

Ok i have researching about this for a week i called sony and everything. here it goes : ps3 phat can only give ture hd and dts master audio threw LPCM via HDMI.that means ps3 phat cant bitstream because ps3 (phat) has HDMI 1.2 and deep color. If u want Ture HD and dts master audio u need to connect ur ps3 threw HDMI to home theater receiver. optical cant give hd audio.if u have a optical connection u cant bitstream theres no difference just turn it off.

[solarrdadd]

Originally Posted by gyjytyas

Ok i have researching about this for a week i called sony and everything. here it goes : ps3 phat can only give ture hd and dts master audio threw LPCM via HDMI.that means ps3 phat cant bitstream because ps3 (phat) has HDMI 1.2 and deep color. If u want Ture HD and dts master audio u need to connect ur ps3 threw HDMI to home theater receiver. optical cant give hd audio.if u have a optical connection u cant bitstream theres no difference just turn it off.

not too sure about your reply; we all knew this. the originator of this post is asking about secondary audio and lossless audio combined; notice the responses?

[Trix]

Originally Posted by solarrdadd

enable it in the blu-ray movie menu. that i am aware of only the ps3 player that exist that will decode lossless audio, as well as send out secondary audio tracks at the same time as an LPCM. with the ps3 slim, if you set it up to bitstream, and enabled secondary audio for pip, the ps3 slim will automatically switch to lpcm so it can still send out lossless audio with the secondary audio for your pip. thanks to it's cell processors only the ps3 (fat) & the ps3 (slim) can do this.

again, in your movie, select the secondary audio and then display with your ps3 controller to see that you are getting lossless & secondary audio sent, then, see what your receiver is saying it's getting.

best of luck, hope that helps. keep us posted so everyone can learn of the results.

In regards to the emphasized section: Any player that can internally decode Doldy TrueHD and DTS HD-Master Audio can also internally decode secondary audio and then send the entire stream (HD Audio and Secondary audio) to a receiver as LPCM. It doesn't need to be the PS3, slim or fat.

[solarrdadd]

Originally Posted by Trix

In regards to the emphasized section: Any player that can internally decode Doldy TrueHD and DTS HD-Master Audio can also internally decode secondary audio and then send the entire stream (HD Audio and Secondary audio) to a receiver as LPCM. It doesn't need to be the PS3, slim or fat.

I respectfully disagree. even the Oppo BDP-83, which i own, if secondary audio is enabled, it will mix the secondary audio with the primary HD audio, reducing it down in resolution to essentially "core" quality in LPCM. Check page 56 in the Oppo manual. Oppo is one of the newest, and one of, if not the best player(s) on the market and it cannot do this. I am not beyond saying i'm wrong. can you please list players, other than the
PS3 that can actually send lossless audio with secondary lossy audio, mixed in one stream? I could not find any; i'm not saying there might not be something incredibly new that i'm not aware of. i'm only speaking of what i currently am aware of. please list the brand and model of one that can do this. i think we would all like to know, we can all learn from this.

[BIslander]

Originally Posted by stubiedoo

what do i need to do to hear the pip track then? set it to pcm?

What player do you have?

[solarrdadd]

Originally Posted by gyjytyas

Ok i have researching about this for a week i called sony and everything. here it goes : ps3 phat can only give ture hd and dts master audio threw LPCM via HDMI.that means ps3 phat cant bitstream because ps3 (phat) has HDMI 1.2 and deep color. If u want Ture HD and dts master audio u need to connect ur ps3 threw HDMI to home theater receiver. optical cant give hd audio.if u have a optical connection u cant bitstream theres no difference just turn it off.

Originally Posted by Hep

Maybe I'm missing something, but the OP didn't mention anything about the PS3 in his question .

Hep, i never said the original poster did mention anything about the PS3 in his question, i was refering to this persons comments. in one of my replies to the OP, i mentioned that the only player that i was aware of that could do what he wanted done was the PS3. the OP also never mentioned what player or receiver, make or models he was using. i tried to answer his question based on my own current player and past players as well as searches of this site and other on the web.

BIslander (and i agree with what he had to say in post # 21) was the first person to mention the brands samsung and some sony players, though he gave no model numbers.

anything else...

[BIslander]

Originally Posted by solarrdadd

BIslander (and i agree with what he had to say in post # 21) was the first person to mention the brands samsung and some sony players, though he gave no model numbers.

These are the ones I investigated before buying a BD55:

Sony S550 and S350 for sure. And I think the same functionlity was carried over to the S560/S360.

Samsung 25x0 and others with the same PCM, Audiophile, and Re-encode options. Those players do not have settings for Secondary Audio.