anyone got the new 21:9 56" from philips?

[Mahatma]

Hi.As thread states:anyone got it?If so,how is it's quality?2001 must be awesome on it!Put the product code below.

PHILIPS 56PFL9954H/12 56" LCD TV

[kurtis21]

From what i've seen....you can only buy this overseas. NOT in the U.S. But i would like to see it in person. Might think about a purchase for my family room tv

[Mahatma]

It costs around 8000$ in Norway,so not cheap but it looks absolute awesome.

[Q?]

If I had the money I wouldn't buy this... never..

[Mahatma]

If I had an opinion,I would substantiate it....

[Q?]

lol

You're limited to widescreen viewing, you'll get black bars at the sides for full screen movies and even subtitles are positioned half on the picture and half on the lower black bar in widescreen movies.
So you won't be able to read subtitles on some BD's.
satisfied?

[Tok]

Originally Posted by Q!

lol

You're limited to widescreen viewing, you'll get black bars at the sides for full screen movies and even subtitles are positioned half on the picture and half on the lower black bar in widescreen movies.
So you won't be able to read subtitles on some BD's.
satisfied?

And the other thing,

BD does not have an anamorphic encoding option to fully utilize the pixels. All BDs are encoded for a 16x9 viewing area. 1.33:1 and 2.35+:1, all are using data on the disc themselves for the black bars.

DVD players generated black bars on anamorphic encoded content when viewed on 4x3 TVs. So essentially when you switched to a 16x9 set you weren't comprimising quality to scale to the new standard.

[Deciazulado]

Well io preefero noir barra in diestra e siniestra e subtituli opposito

[Oddiophile]

Originally Posted by Q!

lol

You're limited to widescreen viewing, you'll get black bars at the sides for full screen movies and even subtitles are positioned half on the picture and half on the lower black bar in widescreen movies.
So you won't be able to read subtitles on some BD's.
satisfied?

Get yourself a BDP-83. Oppo added the ability to move the subtitles up for movies that have subtitles in the black bars.

[progers13]

Originally Posted by Oddiophile

Get yourself a BDP-83. Oppo added the ability to move the subtitles up for movies that have subtitles in the black bars.

Good to know. I'll have to take that into account when I buy my next blu-ray player. On a side note, I was very disappointed when I watched Mask Of Zorro (just released a few weeks ago) to find some of the subtitles in the black bar region. I thought all of the new discs from the major publishers (this was Sony) stopped doing that.

[Mahatma]

Originally Posted by Q!

lol

You're limited to widescreen viewing, you'll get black bars at the sides for full screen movies and even subtitles are positioned half on the picture and half on the lower black bar in widescreen movies.
So you won't be able to read subtitles on some BD's.
satisfied?

ok now

[fabi519]

I saw it last week in a Saturn store in Germany and I gotta say that this baby looks impressive! However it was turned off so I have no clue how the actual picture looks like.

Still it's huuuge!

[Reid Malenfant]

Yes, i happen to have one & there is no way i could ever go back to a 16/9 TV, my Toshiba 42" has only been used to test certain stuff since this was installed I think i have had it since late May this year, so i'm pretty well intimately acquainted with it now. I know it's good & bad points & what to switch off to get the best performance

Apologies for bringing up an old thread but if anyone wants to know anything about this TV then feel free to ask

[Reid Malenfant]

Originally Posted by Q!

You're limited to widescreen viewing, you'll get black bars at the sides for full screen movies and even subtitles are positioned half on the picture and half on the lower black bar in widescreen movies.
So you won't be able to read subtitles on some BD's.
satisfied?

Yes you are actually limited to widescreen viewing, there is no way of viewing a 1.33:1 image without it being pulled out to 16/9 However, the subtitles thing you mentioned is incorrect There is a 21/9 subtitle option that lifts the picture up so that subtitles are visible.

2.35:1 & 2.4:1 images will fill the whole screen, this means the TV is scaling up to 2560 x 1080 pixels so you'll actually get an increase in picture quality. Take it from me that i's pretty noticeable With a 1.78:1 or 1.85:1 image you can either view it with black bars at either side or do what i often do & scale the thing by switching to 21/9 & lose a bit of the top & bottom of the picture. After all there is rarely anything of importance going on in these sections.

Put it like this, i never watch Avatar in 16/9, i always scale up to fill the 21/9 screen & lose a bit of the picture Why, because the picture is simply better quality

I'm sure you might have read in reviews about the picture changing aspect ratios on the fly. Well yes it will do if you set the thing to auto All you need to do is set the thing to what you want via the remote & it'll stay put.

Another thing, Philips squawk quite a bit about Ambilight 3 & it's very pretty It does however mess up the colours you'll see on the screen, this is a trick of our eyes. The thing to do is set the ambilight to as near as possible to D65 lighting & all of a sudden everything looks wonderfull. This is pretty easily done to

If you read up on D65 you'll find you'll want it at about 1/10th the brightness of the screen at full brightness & funnily enough it is about that ratio. It's also behind the TV which is exactly where it needs to be

[scweb13]

Originally Posted by Reid Malenfant

2.35:1 & 2.4:1 images will fill the whole screen, this means the TV is scaling up to 2560 x 1080 pixels so you'll actually get an increase in picture quality. Take it from me that i's pretty noticeable With a 1.78:1 or 1.85:1 image you can either view it with black bars at either side or do what i often do & scale the thing by switching to 21/9 & lose a bit of the top & bottom of the picture. After all there is rarely anything of importance going on in these sections.

Wouldn't you be loosing PQ if you are scaling up? The source material has the bars encoded as part of the picture. Essentially, the picture is being zoomed in to eliminate the bars and it wouldn't a pixel for pixel image.

[Reid Malenfant]

It's scaling up so generates more pixels just the same as a decent video scaler. If you look up information about for instance the Calibre Vantage HD2 video scaler you'll find that it can be used in 2.35:1 mode with a PJ using an anamorphic lens. This means that it'll use all 1080 lines (so will generate new pixels) & it relies on the lens to throw a 2.35:1 image having done this. It will however only still produce 1920 pixels (width) where as this TV scales up to 2560

I know what you are saying & it does take some time to understand what's going on, but take it from me that the picture is noticeably sharper & in every way superior to watching it unscaled. When doing that with a 2.35 or 2.40:1 pic you end up with black bars all the way around the screen It's approximately the same size as a 42" screen at that point doing the same thing but obviously the pic is from one side to the other with black bars top & bottom.

Take it from me that video scaling works very very well indeed & generates a superior picture as long as the thing is up to the job. Otherwise there would be no market for them

E2A:- Yes, it's scaling up from approximately 800 - 815 lines of picture (which is the used part on a 2.35 or 2.40:1 blu ray to 1080. More lines = more detail & it's also scaling from 1920 - 2560 pixels which again gives more detail

[seigneur_rayden]

Originally Posted by Reid Malenfant

Yes, i happen to have one & there is no way i could ever go back to a 16/9 TV, my Toshiba 42" has only been used to test certain stuff since this was installed I think i have had it since late May this year, so i'm pretty well intimately acquainted with it now. I know it's good & bad points & what to switch off to get the best performance

Apologies for bringing up an old thread but if anyone wants to know anything about this TV then feel free to ask

Reid Malenfant, can you post pictures of the TV please? I'd like to see how it looks in a living room/theater room. Thanks.

[crackinhedz]

Originally Posted by Reid Malenfant

E2A:- Yes, it's scaling up from approximately 800 - 815 lines of picture (which is the used part on a 2.35 or 2.40:1 blu ray to 1080. More lines = more detail & it's also scaling from 1920 - 2560 pixels which again gives more detail

you cannot get "more detail" from a limited source. Upscaling is using algorythm's that makes up information that's not really there to begin with.

You may think the picture looks better, but you do not get "more detail".

[Trogdor2010]

21:9 > 16:9

They should have adopted a "scope" aspect ratio a long time ago, especially with the advent of fixed pixel displays and DVD. We are not using CRTs anymore which apparently had problems with widescreen set ups. I personally feel they overcharge these displays to market 2.35:1 aspect ratio as a "niche", and make more money out of it. It shouldn't be hard for a manufacturer to make such a display by now. I don't even want to get a tv because I have gone with the front projection method with a DIY anamorphic lens. There are artistic benefits using narrower aspect ratios (clausterphobia, height, photography) but many films benefit more from using wider aspect ratios (range, action, roads, schools, plays even), and especially video games (RTS, fighting, shooters, platformers).

Scope FTW!

[Reid Malenfant]

Originally Posted by crackinhedz

you cannot get "more detail" from a limited source. Upscaling is using algorythm's that makes up information that's not really there to begin with.

You may think the picture looks better, but you do not get "more detail".

Yes i do happen to know this you know It's called interpolation

Agreed that the information isn't there to "begin" with, but it's there once the scaler has done it's work & interpolated

I may think the picture looks better lol. I like it, i know the picture looks better Look, i can have the picture unscaled on say a 2.35:1 movie & have black bars top, bottom & sides. Ignoring that for a second if i compare the picture unscaled to scaled there is a vast difference & it's not my imagination Enough of my friends have seen it in action & they all notice an pretty dramatic increase in picture quality with the scaled picture.

It may well be making bits up but it's doing a damn fine job of it.

If scalers didn't work & work well then no-one would bother purchasing them, likewise goes for upsampling CDs & increasing words to 24 bit from 16 bit on red book CD. If it didn't work & improve the audio quality there would be no DCS Purcell & Delius as well as a load of other DACs.


I'll get some pics up as soon as possible to satisfy a few people that would like to see how the thing looks