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Canada · 09-11-2007, 04:37 PM

Switching over from DVD the first thing I noticed or should I say didn't notice was the layer changes

. DVD was the cats *** and a lot of people think it still is, it's a great format but the layer chages took me out of the experience a little bit. Blu Ray has no layer changes does anyone know how they eliminated the pauses. Just call me Curious George.

CptGreedle · 09-11-2007, 04:40 PM

Well I speculate that it works the same way a skip-free feature works on a CD/MP3 player.
It reads ahead of where the film is, stores the information, then changes layers and picks up where it left off all before the film can catch up.

It is also how some of the other news features work that Close Encounters is getting.

WickyWoo · 09-11-2007, 04:41 PM

Part of the spec was "seamless layer changes'

Either the drives are fast enough to rejoin the stream before the buffer catches up, or there's a relative larger buffer.

glenn22 · 09-11-2007, 04:46 PM

The layer changes on DVD always bothered me because I had just enough time to say "WTF" and then the movie started to play again. It gets me every time.

The Big Blue · 09-11-2007, 04:52 PM

And after Blu it's even more noticeable/annoying now on dvd.

DAMNSAM77 · 09-11-2007, 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by glenn22

The layer changes on DVD always bothered me because I had just enough time to say "WTF" and then the movie started to play again. It gets me every time.

LOL!!!

BStecke · 09-11-2007, 08:27 PM

The one I always remember was on Gone In 60 seconds . . . HORRIBLE layer change, pulls you right out of the movie. I got this on Blu, and I was more excited than any normal person should be by not seeing a hiccup in the playback.

Proteus · 09-11-2007, 08:31 PM

Ironically, studios have argued since the beginning of DVD time that the average consumer _doesn't mind or care_ about these layer pauses according to their research.

I'd love to see that research because I've watched a LOT of DVD movies... and A LOT of those were with other people. During those times when a 'pause' happens it's inevitable that at least someone blurts out, 'OMG! I HATE THAT!!'

Not sure where the data came from in that research, but I suspect the answer would be somewhere between Lalaland and Candyland.

BStecke · 09-11-2007, 08:32 PM

It's the same research that says people don't give a shit about the movies, as long as the lame extras are plentiful.

Dadds · 09-11-2007, 08:34 PM

I always hated layer changes.

Kristin Simard · 09-12-2007, 04:47 AM

Funny, I never had a problem with layer changes. I always thought buffering took care of that. Must be the player you use.

MouseRider · 09-12-2007, 06:10 AM

My DVD does player has a buffer in it, the layer changes are barely noticeable.

Older DVD players do have serious problems in that arena.

supersix4 · 09-12-2007, 06:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BStecke

It's the same research that says people don't give a shit about the movies, as long as the lame extras are plentiful.

lol Like I always say only on a couple movies should there be extras

Canada · 09-12-2007, 06:17 AM

I usually don't care about extras.

MrBogey · 09-12-2007, 02:23 PM

After a year or so, my GE DVD player I bought in early 1999 for $130 at Walmart would pause at about 65 minutes into a film for several seconds. Then it would resume play and freeze randomly.

I figured it had something to do with switching layers but didn't know jack squat back then about optical media playback.

The Guardian · 09-12-2007, 03:03 PM

Yeah some movies obviously didn't put it in a good spot... they could at least put the layer change in a big scene change!

Disc changes annoy me more though (see LotR and Pearl Harbor)...

09-11-2007, 04:37 PM	#1
Canada Blu-ray Archduke Top contributor Member since:Mar 2007 Location:Victoria, BC Home Theater Gallery:17 4K collection:306 Blu-ray collection:1204 DVD collection:37 Blu-ray reviews:42	Duel Layer no pause Switching over from DVD the first thing I noticed or should I say didn't notice was the layer changes . DVD was the cats *** and a lot of people think it still is, it's a great format but the layer chages took me out of the experience a little bit. Blu Ray has no layer changes does anyone know how they eliminated the pauses. Just call me Curious George.

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09-11-2007, 04:40 PM	#2
CptGreedle Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Sworn super-hero now services Atlanta (and suburbs). Blu-ray collection:128 Blu-ray reviews:5	Well I speculate that it works the same way a skip-free feature works on a CD/MP3 player. It reads ahead of where the film is, stores the information, then changes layers and picks up where it left off all before the film can catch up. It is also how some of the other news features work that Close Encounters is getting.

09-11-2007, 04:41 PM	#3
WickyWoo Blu-ray Champion Member since:May 2007 Trading Score:2	Part of the spec was "seamless layer changes' Either the drives are fast enough to rejoin the stream before the buffer catches up, or there's a relative larger buffer.

09-11-2007, 04:46 PM	#4
glenn22 Power Member Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Vancouver, Canada	The layer changes on DVD always bothered me because I had just enough time to say "WTF" and then the movie started to play again. It gets me every time.

09-11-2007, 04:52 PM	#5
The Big Blue Blu-ray Guru Member since:Feb 2007 Blu-ray collection:98 Blu-ray reviews:1	And after Blu it's even more noticeable/annoying now on dvd.

09-11-2007, 08:27 PM	#7
BStecke Blu-ray Knight Member since:Jun 2007 4K collection:182 Blu-ray collection:567 DVD collection:1 Digital collection:1 iTunes collection:1 Blu-ray reviews: 1 Trading Score:6	The one I always remember was on Gone In 60 seconds . . . HORRIBLE layer change, pulls you right out of the movie. I got this on Blu, and I was more excited than any normal person should be by not seeing a hiccup in the playback.

09-11-2007, 08:31 PM	#8
Proteus Power Member Member since:Apr 2007 Location:SoCal PSN:CaptBurn	Ironically, studios have argued since the beginning of DVD time that the average consumer _doesn't mind or care_ about these layer pauses according to their research. I'd love to see that research because I've watched a LOT of DVD movies... and A LOT of those were with other people. During those times when a 'pause' happens it's inevitable that at least someone blurts out, 'OMG! I HATE THAT!!' Not sure where the data came from in that research, but I suspect the answer would be somewhere between Lalaland and Candyland.

09-11-2007, 08:32 PM	#9
BStecke Blu-ray Knight Member since:Jun 2007 4K collection:182 Blu-ray collection:567 DVD collection:1 Digital collection:1 iTunes collection:1 Blu-ray reviews: 1 Trading Score:6	It's the same research that says people don't give a shit about the movies, as long as the lame extras are plentiful.

09-11-2007, 08:34 PM	#10
Dadds Special Member Member since:Jun 2007 Location:South NJ Blu-ray reviews:3	I always hated layer changes.

09-12-2007, 04:47 AM	#11
Kristin Simard Special Member Member since:Aug 2007	Funny, I never had a problem with layer changes. I always thought buffering took care of that. Must be the player you use.

09-12-2007, 06:10 AM	#12
MouseRider Active Member Member since:Aug 2007	My DVD does player has a buffer in it, the layer changes are barely noticeable. Older DVD players do have serious problems in that arena.

09-12-2007, 06:17 AM	#14
Canada Blu-ray Archduke Top contributor Member since:Mar 2007 Location:Victoria, BC Home Theater Gallery:17 4K collection:306 Blu-ray collection:1204 DVD collection:37 Blu-ray reviews:42	I usually don't care about extras.

09-12-2007, 02:23 PM	#15
MrBogey Expert Member Member since:Jan 2007	After a year or so, my GE DVD player I bought in early 1999 for $130 at Walmart would pause at about 65 minutes into a film for several seconds. Then it would resume play and freeze randomly. I figured it had something to do with switching layers but didn't know jack squat back then about optical media playback.

09-12-2007, 03:03 PM	#16
The Guardian Expert Member Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Kitchener, ON Blu-ray collection:9 Trading Score:1	Yeah some movies obviously didn't put it in a good spot... they could at least put the layer change in a big scene change! Disc changes annoy me more though (see LotR and Pearl Harbor)...

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