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Old 06-09-2015, 08:46 PM   #1
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This is for the two other people besides me who care.

I noticed recently that HBO's Rome series box dropped significantly in price on Amazon.co.jp, so I decided to import it, because for a long time, I have always wanted to know if the discs are handled differently in Japan. Unlike other WB-made discs, you'll notice that HBO releases never contain Japanese options, hidden or otherwise, and instead Japanese support appears only on Japan domestic releases.

In Japan, Rome carries Eirin's R-15 rating on video, meaning restricted to 15 and over. Unlike some Japanese releases, this is evident from looking at the back of the box. Usually, at this rating, my experience has been that Japanese optical censorship will apply only to genitalia, and not to pubic regions. With other words, as far as most HBO product is concerned, female frontal nudity is uncensored, while male frontal nudity is censored. In sampling Rome, this appears to be the case--in the pilot episode, Polly Walker's fully nude scene in the bath is left uncensored. As I had never seen the series before, I went looking online for a described instance of full frontal male nudity, and ran headlong into the infamous James Purefoy scene in Episode 4. Here, Purefoy's full-frontal nudity during bathing was blurred. The blurring is done very tastefully, and is opaque, so it is not that intrusive, but still, I thought the curious few might like to know. To be fair, I did see a long shot of a nude man that appeared to be uncensored, so I think HBO/WB is doing everything they can to keep the series as uncensored as possible, while keeping an R-15 rating.

Please note that I have only just received the set, and I don't know if my comments hold true for the entire series. However, at this point, I think it's safe to assume that any HBO product sold in Japan which is not marked as "R-18" or "R-18+" will definitely have optical censorship if male nudity is involved (e.g. Game of Thrones, which is also R-15 in Japan).

Unfortunately, that isn't the only negative to the Japanese edition. Although it is also 10 BDs altogether, and the episode breakdown is the same per disc, and even given that they had to alter the video encode, HBO/WB do not appear to have maximized the available space on the discs at all. For example, the Western Season 1 Disc 1 measures 39,913,290,721 bytes, while the same disc in the Japanese set measures only 26,420,506,470 bytes. The video bitrate for this disc in the Western set is around 28 Mbps, while the Japanese disc is around 22 Mbps. Worst of all, it appears that the audio commentaries and some or all of the graphics-based extras are absent from this set. About the only positive is that the set does retain most or all of the video extras, and even has English subtitles for them, but the menus are all in Japanese, so I cannot be totally sure what video extras are and aren't present without tediously picking apart each disc.

HBO waited almost five years to the day to release this series in Japan, and I have to say, even at face value, it's a disappointment compared to the Western edition. At least some optical censorship, compressed video, missing extras, and disc space wasted. At the very least, they could have offered it uncensored at R-18, like most other Western companies do in Japan.

So, if considering HBO product from Japan, buyer beware.
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BDInfo scan example:

Season 1 Disc 1

Note that in the Japanese set, the episodes have only been encoded individually.

Episode 1

Code:
                                                                                                                Total   Video                                             
Title                                                           Codec   Length  Movie Size      Disc Size       Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track                          Secondary Audio Track
-----                                                           ------  ------- --------------  --------------  ------- ------- ------------------                        ---------------------
00800.MPLS                                                      AVC     0:52:17 11,182,172,160  26,420,506,470  28.52   22.00   DTS-HD Master 5.1 4134Kbps (48kHz/24-bit)
Code:
DISC INFO:

Disc Title:     ROME_S1_B5B_DISC1
Disc Size:      26,420,506,470 bytes
Protection:     AACS
BD-Java:        Yes
BDInfo:         0.5.8

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:                   00800.MPLS
Length:                 0:52:17.175 (h:m:s.ms)
Size:                   11,182,172,160 bytes
Total Bitrate:          28.52 Mbps

VIDEO:

Codec                   Bitrate             Description     
-----                   -------             -----------     
MPEG-4 AVC Video        21997 kbps          1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1

AUDIO:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
DTS-HD Master Audio             English         4134 kbps       5.1 / 48 kHz / 4134 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 24-bit)
DTS Audio                       Japanese        768 kbps        5.1 / 48 kHz / 768 kbps / 24-bit

SUBTITLES:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
Presentation Graphics           Japanese        23.628 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           English         43.741 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Japanese        0.118 kbps                      

FILES:

Name            Time In         Length          Size            Total Bitrate   
----            -------         ------          ----            -------------   
00045.M2TS      0:00:00.000     0:52:17.175     11,182,172,160  28,515          

CHAPTERS:

Number          Time In         Length          Avg Video Rate  Max 1-Sec Rate  Max 1-Sec Time  Max 5-Sec Rate  Max 5-Sec Time  Max 10Sec Rate  Max 10Sec Time  Avg Frame Size  Max Frame Size  Max Frame Time  
------          -------         ------          --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  
1               0:00:00.000     0:01:43.103     21,362 kbps     37,018 kbps     00:00:02.711    28,896 kbps     00:00:07.424    26,774 kbps     00:01:22.540    111,325 bytes   626,419 bytes   00:00:55.972    
2               0:01:43.103     0:08:56.285     23,034 kbps     31,478 kbps     00:04:06.913    28,522 kbps     00:04:03.034    28,138 kbps     00:03:57.946    120,087 bytes   412,370 bytes   00:05:27.827    
3               0:10:39.388     0:03:41.846     22,815 kbps     29,125 kbps     00:11:31.857    28,096 kbps     00:11:20.388    27,919 kbps     00:11:06.082    118,949 bytes   323,142 bytes   00:11:15.091    
4               0:14:21.235     0:07:00.044     25,044 kbps     30,160 kbps     00:17:40.601    28,270 kbps     00:17:36.680    28,034 kbps     00:17:36.722    130,567 bytes   353,428 bytes   00:16:32.700    
5               0:21:21.280     0:19:41.638     21,232 kbps     31,535 kbps     00:31:59.626    28,595 kbps     00:31:55.413    28,046 kbps     00:31:55.538    110,695 bytes   535,164 bytes   00:32:00.376    
6               0:41:02.918     0:05:05.471     22,766 kbps     29,983 kbps     00:45:56.670    28,191 kbps     00:42:54.238    27,967 kbps     00:42:49.275    118,694 bytes   450,890 bytes   00:42:27.169    
7               0:46:08.390     0:04:33.147     23,409 kbps     31,227 kbps     00:46:18.901    28,476 kbps     00:46:14.980    28,049 kbps     00:46:10.058    122,044 bytes   366,657 bytes   00:50:34.448    
8               0:50:41.538     0:01:35.637     4,563 kbps      38,404 kbps     00:52:13.755    15,243 kbps     00:52:11.294    9,487 kbps      00:52:04.871    23,799 bytes    604,766 bytes   00:52:14.506    

STREAM DIAGNOSTICS:

File            PID             Type            Codec           Language                Seconds                 Bitrate                 Bytes           Packets         
----            ---             ----            -----           --------                --------------          --------------          -------------   -----           
00045.M2TS      4113 (0x1011)   0x1B            AVC                                     3137.009                21,999                  8,626,252,061   46,925,739      
00045.M2TS      4352 (0x1100)   0x86            DTS-HD MA       eng (English)           3137.009                4,134                   1,621,176,000   9,293,838       
00045.M2TS      4353 (0x1101)   0x82            DTS             jpn (Japanese)          3137.009                768                     301,165,568     1,764,642       
00045.M2TS      4608 (0x1200)   0x90            PGS             jpn (Japanese)          3137.009                24                      9,265,687       53,590          
00045.M2TS      4609 (0x1201)   0x90            PGS             eng (English)           3137.009                44                      17,152,741      97,264          
00045.M2TS      4610 (0x1202)   0x90            PGS             jpn (Japanese)          3137.009                0                       46,320          265
Episode 2

Code:
                                                                                                                Total   Video                                             
Title                                                           Codec   Length  Movie Size      Disc Size       Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track                          Secondary Audio Track
-----                                                           ------  ------- --------------  --------------  ------- ------- ------------------                        ---------------------
00801.MPLS                                                      AVC     0:49:58 10,643,779,584  26,420,506,470  28.40   22.00   DTS-HD Master 5.1 4020Kbps (48kHz/24-bit)
Code:
DISC INFO:

Disc Title:     ROME_S1_B5B_DISC1
Disc Size:      26,420,506,470 bytes
Protection:     AACS
BD-Java:        Yes
BDInfo:         0.5.8

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:                   00801.MPLS
Length:                 0:49:58.036 (h:m:s.ms)
Size:                   10,643,779,584 bytes
Total Bitrate:          28.40 Mbps

VIDEO:

Codec                   Bitrate             Description     
-----                   -------             -----------     
MPEG-4 AVC Video        21996 kbps          1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1

AUDIO:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
DTS-HD Master Audio             English         4020 kbps       5.1 / 48 kHz / 4020 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 24-bit)
DTS Audio                       Japanese        768 kbps        5.1 / 48 kHz / 768 kbps / 24-bit

SUBTITLES:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
Presentation Graphics           Japanese        24.951 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           English         46.985 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Japanese        0.071 kbps                      

FILES:

Name            Time In         Length          Size            Total Bitrate   
----            -------         ------          ----            -------------   
00050.M2TS      0:00:00.000     0:49:58.036     10,643,779,584  28,402          

CHAPTERS:

Number          Time In         Length          Avg Video Rate  Max 1-Sec Rate  Max 1-Sec Time  Max 5-Sec Rate  Max 5-Sec Time  Max 10Sec Rate  Max 10Sec Time  Avg Frame Size  Max Frame Size  Max Frame Time  
------          -------         ------          --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  
1               0:00:00.000     0:01:43.186     21,114 kbps     36,257 kbps     00:00:02.711    28,780 kbps     00:00:07.465    26,663 kbps     00:01:22.540    110,037 bytes   622,915 bytes   00:00:53.970    
2               0:01:43.186     0:08:51.614     22,193 kbps     31,228 kbps     00:04:22.595    28,493 kbps     00:04:18.591    27,983 kbps     00:03:19.324    115,703 bytes   521,501 bytes   00:04:23.554    
3               0:10:34.800     0:09:21.269     20,078 kbps     29,769 kbps     00:10:57.156    28,175 kbps     00:10:41.599    28,038 kbps     00:10:50.274    104,678 bytes   345,979 bytes   00:10:59.992    
4               0:19:56.069     0:07:08.970     21,533 kbps     29,609 kbps     00:23:29.658    28,209 kbps     00:23:28.740    27,983 kbps     00:23:25.362    112,261 bytes   375,862 bytes   00:23:32.661    
5               0:27:05.040     0:08:14.494     24,510 kbps     30,049 kbps     00:32:43.836    28,243 kbps     00:31:42.358    28,007 kbps     00:27:07.417    127,782 bytes   358,683 bytes   00:31:32.515    
6               0:35:19.534     0:05:26.492     23,332 kbps     29,494 kbps     00:40:44.984    28,167 kbps     00:40:27.466    27,959 kbps     00:40:02.942    121,644 bytes   362,665 bytes   00:40:45.985    
7               0:40:46.026     0:07:35.705     24,744 kbps     30,228 kbps     00:45:21.343    28,270 kbps     00:41:35.659    28,021 kbps     00:41:36.702    129,002 bytes   408,303 bytes   00:41:40.539    
8               0:48:21.732     0:01:36.304     4,644 kbps      38,231 kbps     00:49:55.450    16,729 kbps     00:49:51.571    10,443 kbps     00:49:46.566    24,223 bytes    599,308 bytes   00:49:56.201    

STREAM DIAGNOSTICS:

File            PID             Type            Codec           Language                Seconds                 Bitrate                 Bytes           Packets         
----            ---             ----            -----           --------                --------------          --------------          -------------   -----           
00050.M2TS      4113 (0x1011)   0x1B            AVC                                     2997.870                21,997                  8,242,944,062   44,840,454      
00050.M2TS      4352 (0x1100)   0x86            DTS-HD MA       eng (English)           2997.870                4,021                   1,506,653,564   8,654,865       
00050.M2TS      4353 (0x1101)   0x82            DTS             jpn (Japanese)          2997.870                768                     287,808,512     1,686,378       
00050.M2TS      4608 (0x1200)   0x90            PGS             jpn (Japanese)          2997.870                25                      9,350,430       54,346          
00050.M2TS      4609 (0x1201)   0x90            PGS             eng (English)           2997.870                47                      17,608,029      99,700          
00050.M2TS      4610 (0x1202)   0x90            PGS             jpn (Japanese)          2997.870                0                       26,634          151
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