Blu-ray Apple Macintosh?

[hypergraphics@comcas]

Is there a Blue-Ray drive and software for an Apple Macintosh? If so whose brand and model

thanks in advance

(blue-ray newbe old machead)

[marzetta7]

Welcome to the forum. Can't wait until Apple throws in a Blu-ray drive into the Mac Pro. Anyhow, Logitech released the first Mac compatible Blu-ray drive...

http://www.macnn.com/articles/06/08/...blu.ray.drive/

[Jodi]

Mac + Blu-Ray =

Jodi

[GoldenRedux]

Originally Posted by marzetta7

Welcome to the forum. Can't wait until Apple throws in a Blu-ray drive into the Mac Pro. Anyhow, Logitech released the first Mac compatible Blu-ray drive...

http://www.macnn.com/articles/06/08/...blu.ray.drive/

Can it play Blu-ray movies? Somewhere on AVS someone posted a link to a site that listed the ATI X1900 as HDCP compliant, and that's what I have in my Mac Pro, but AFAIK, it is not HDCP compliant. Isn't that why they came out with the X1950, to add HDCP?

[McBain]

No Mac video playback software is available as of yet. And don't forget you need an HDCP-compatible monitor if outputting through DVI.

[GoldenRedux]

Originally Posted by McBain

No Mac video playback software is available as of yet. And don't forget you need an HDCP-compatible monitor if outputting through DVI.

I am hooked into a Samsung HLN437W dlp that is HDCP-compliant, but what of the ATI X1900 in my Mac Pro? Is it HDCP-compliant?

[Deciazulado]

Maybe you can boot in Windows and run that software that checks your hardware?

[GoldenRedux]

Originally Posted by Deciazulado

Maybe you can boot in Windows and run that software that checks your hardware?

It's my understanding that, that software is not very reliable, but I could give it a try.

[PurpleAardvark]

Originally Posted by GoldenRedux

It's my understanding that, that software is not very reliable, but I could give it a try.

Yes that is true. It involves windows after all. J/K I can't wait for a mac with blu ray either.

[hmurchison]

I expect Apple to offer Build to Order options for Blu-Ray and HD DVD by next spring.

[GoldenRedux]

Originally Posted by hmurchison

I expect Apple to offer Build to Order options for Blu-Ray and HD DVD by next spring.

I doubt they'll be offering HD DVD.

[hmurchison]

Originally Posted by GoldenRedux

I doubt they'll be offering HD DVD.

That's ok. I've sold Apple computers for over a decade. I use their product so therefore I realize that Apple already supports HD DVD with DVD Studio Pro 4.

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2005...7fcstudio.html

DVD Studio Pro 4, Final Cut Studio’s professional DVD authoring program, is the first commercially available DVD authoring software that lets users burn their HD projects to high definition DVDs based on the latest HD DVD specification. DVD Studio Pro 4 will be demonstrated at NAB with a prototype consumer HD DVD player from Toshiba set to debut later this year.

My emphasis added

Apple is committed to both emerging high definition DVD standards—Blu-ray Disc and HD DVD. Apple is an active member of the DVD Forum which developed the HD DVD standard, and last month joined the Board of Directors of the Blu-ray Disc Association.

Smell that? That's your credibility going up in flames.

[GoldenRedux]

Originally Posted by hmurchison

That's ok. I've sold Apple computers for over a decade. I use their product so therefore I realize that Apple already supports HD DVD with DVD Studio Pro 4.

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2005...7fcstudio.html



My emphasis added




Smell that? That's your credibility going up in flames.

I've used Apple products for years as well. I own 4 Apple computers at the moment. I also use DVD Studio 4 Pro, Logic Pro 7, and Final Cut Pro, so what's your point?

Offering the ability to author an HD DVD in DVD Studio Pro, and offering a build to order option are two completely different things. Apple is on the BDA, not in bed with Toshiba.

[Shadowself]

Originally Posted by hmurchison

That's ok. I've sold Apple computers for over a decade. I use their product so therefore I realize that Apple already supports HD DVD with DVD Studio Pro 4.

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2005...7fcstudio.html

And I've used Apple computers for over 3 decades. I've probably purchased more Apple hardware than you've sold. What's your point?


A point to ponder... Why are most all HD DVD disks coming out not being created with this? It would seem as though if Apple had a studio environment over 18 months ago specifically for HD DVD and which could actually burn HD DVD disks then a large percentage of studios would be using it. They're not.

I believe if you check into the details of what Apple really meant when this press release came out about 18 months ago you'll find that Apple was supporting HD data -- not individual disk formats. The HD data could be burned (with additional software and hardware) to either DVDs or HD DVD or Blu-ray disks. Apple's emphasis was, and is, on the HD data -- not the ability (or support for the ability) to burn specific disks.

The fact that Apple has press releases claiming support for both formats is just a CYA move. It doesn't matter which format actually wins. Apple can claim they have supported both formats and point to the silly press release.

[hmurchison]

Worked the largest Mac vars in Seattle.
Worked for Top 5 direct reseller dedicated to Macs
Technical Advisor for 4 years.

I seriously doubt you now more about Macs than I do. I have 3 at home. I'm a video enthusiast who's going to run Final Cut Studio.

I don't run second fiddle on Macs to any of you. Period.

The BDA was formed more recently right? Thus Apple joined the BDA because they need high level access to the spec for adding authoring support. They don't give a shat about either format beyond what tools they can sell.

Originally Posted by Shadowself

A point to ponder... Why are most all HD DVD disks coming out not being created with this? It would seem as though if Apple had a studio environment over 18 months ago specifically for HD DVD and which could actually burn HD DVD disks then a large percentage of studios would be using it. They're not

1. AACS still isn't fully finished.
2. HDi was still being worked on
3. AVC and VC-1 were too new for Apple to add to Compressor

Right now you can target 15GB SL HD DVD discs but you must use MPEG2. You can however burn HD content to DVD or mix and match SD and HD content.

This isn't political for Apple. They've stated right in the press release that they are members of both platform organizations and support both. eRag journalists were the ones claiming Apple was a BD only company. I don't listen to them...I know more about Apple Macs than %90 of the journalists covering IT. I was selling Macs before they had color screens.

Apple "will" offer both drives. If they don't I'll leave these boards forever. They don't lie in the press releases. It's there for the press to get factual information. They don't need to cover anything.

BTW they just bought Final Touch from Silicon Color. Another video acquisition. Why in the world would someone think Apple would put their eggs in one basket?

[GoldenRedux]

Originally Posted by hmurchison

Worked the largest Mac vars in Seattle.
Worked for Top 5 direct reseller dedicated to Macs
Technical Advisor for 4 years.

I seriously doubt you now more about Macs than I do. I have 3 at home. I'm a video enthusiast who's going to run Final Cut Studio.

I don't run second fiddle on Macs to any of you. Period.

In your opinion. I have also been programming for Macs since 1984, so who knows more now? BTW, I already run Final Cut Pro. Again, what's your point? None of this has anything to do with Apple offering a build to order option for HD DVD. Period.

The BDA was formed more recently right? Thus Apple joined the BDA because they need high level access to the spec for adding authoring support. They don't give a shat about either format beyond what tools they can sell.

Sure, so why the BDA and not the HD DVD forum? You seem to think it only runs one way. Twisted logic.

1. AACS still isn't fully finished.
2. HDi was still being worked on
3. AVC and VC-1 were too new for Apple to add to Compressor

Right now you can target 15GB SL HD DVD discs but you must use MPEG2. You can however burn HD content to DVD or mix and match SD and HD content.

This isn't political for Apple. They've stated right in the press release that they are members of both platform organizations and support both. eRag journalists were the ones claiming Apple was a BD only company. I don't listen to them...I know more about Apple Macs than %90 of the journalists covering IT. I was selling Macs before they had color screens.

Apple "will" offer both drives. If they don't I'll leave these boards forever. They don't lie in the press releases. It's there for the press to get factual information. They don't need to cover anything.

BTW they just bought Final Touch from Silicon Color. Another video acquisition. Why in the world would someone think Apple would put their eggs in one basket?

You are confusing content creation with hardware offerings, plain and simple. Who cares how many video acquisitions they make? How is that evidence of what hardware they are going to offer?

[Psiweaver]

My guess is that the build to order option comes out for blu-ray before it comes out for HD DVD.

[hmurchison]

Apple is committed to both emerging high definition DVD standards—Blu-ray Disc and HD DVD. Apple is an active member of the DVD Forum which developed the HD DVD standard, and last month joined the Board of Directors of the Blu-ray Disc Association[/quote]

Originally Posted by Golden Redux

In your opinion. I have also been programming for Macs since 1984, so who knows more now? BTW, I already run Final Cut Pro. Again, what's your point? None of this has anything to do with Apple offering a build to order option for HD DVD. Period

Regarding programming I happily aquiesce to your greater knowledge but I've sold thousands of Macs and have focused on the sales aspect. Which is why it rankles me when people think Apple has some sort of preference for either platform. The option that comes first will be the option that Apple supports and can get adequate quantity of IMO.

Originally Posted by Golden Redux

You are confusing content creation with hardware offerings, plain and simple. Who cares how many video acquisitions they make? How is that evidence of what hardware they are going to offer?

No I'm not confusing anything. Apple's goal is to sell more Final Cut Studios. Currently HD is going to be delivered in two possible formats. HD DVD and Blu-Ray. Apple has not ONE piece of authoring support for Blu-Ray but they support rudimentary HD DVD. The angle here is "what does Apple stand to gain from supporting Blu-Ray?" unlike Dell and HP they sell video production software so it behooves them to stay as neutral as they can and let their clients make the choices.

Let me repeat. Apple WILL offer both drive technologies until there is insufficient demand for one of them. BTO is the easiest way to do this.

again if they don't offer a HD DVD drive as standard or BTO option I will leave these boards and NEVER come back. I'm THAT sure of it.

[PurpleAardvark]

IMO backing a forum really means nothing. DVD forum ummm. Oh yah that has to deal with DVD's. That is not a firm backing, that is meeting a hooker in the backally.
Did apple even make Final Cut studio 5. I never got a clear answer on that. I thought some one else made that. Also I do rember apple saying something about putting a BD drive in a mac but nothing about HD.
Hey I own 2 apple computers. I rember someone acting like this on a different forum and he was full of himself. I belive his tag was High Def. He was a full member of the teenage HD fanboy club. Either way I see alot of fud here and false info. I would have to side with Golden Redux on this one. Owning a mac is great. Selling them and working for them you get a better understanding.

[hmurchison]

Originally Posted by PurpleAardvark

IMO backing a forum really means nothing. DVD forum ummm. Oh yah that has to deal with DVD's. That is not a firm backing, that is meeting a hooker in the backally.
Did apple even make Final Cut studio 5. I never got a clear answer on that. I thought some one else made that. Also I do rember apple saying something about putting a BD drive in a mac but nothing about HD.
Hey I own 2 apple computers. I rember someone acting like this on a different forum and he was full of himself. I belive his tag was High Def. He was a full member of the teenage HD fanboy club. Either way I see alot of fud here and false info. I would have to side with Golden Redux on this one. Owning a mac is great. Selling them and working for them you get a better understanding.

Final Cut Pro stemmed from a Randy Ubillos project that never saw the light of day. Randy is creator of Premiere. Macromedia owned the rights to the program which they called Key Grip. Apple bought this software and integrated Quicktime into the heart. The rest is history after mucho work and more acquisitions.

True sitting on a forum doesn't mean you will actually make product. In this case Apple just isn't sitting they've already taken the steps to support HD DVD at a basic level. I expect this will improve come NAB 2007 and I expect Blu-ray to come to the party for authoring support.

Golden Redux is going to understand the nuts and bolts of Macs far better than I will. However in light of the press releases on Apple's site speaking on the Toshiba HD DVD support and BDA and DVD Forum thing. I'm not really going out on a limb here. It's harder to come up with a cogent argument about how Apple is suddenly going ot do a 180 and support a format exclusively that they have not one iota of support for today. Sounds a wee bit fishy.

The upside is Apple supporting both and making money. They don't give a rip about the Playstation 3 or Blu-Ray or HD DVD for that Matter outside of selling software to support them.