BD+ Titles Coming Soon [Blu-ray.com]

[Josh]

https://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=135

[Scorxpion]

Finally a real good news for BD.

[stevei]

I don't understand why this is good news. DVD copy protection was broken a long time ago, yet the format has been very successful. All we can say so far is that formats that are easily copied appear to be more successful in the marketplace. I'm not suggesting this is necessarily cause and effect, but there is a strong correlation between the two factors, with both CDs and DVDs being easily copied, and CDs having seen off the challenge of minidisc, DVD Audio and SACD which were less easily copied.

If this stops people from playing back legally purchased blu-ray discs on their PCs, for example (because they haven't got HDCP displays), surely it will just cause people to buy hd-dvds instead which they can play back with suitable software to break the encryption?

[javayoda]

It means if BD+ works to slow theft studios will be more willing to release titles on BD - perhaps even a studio like Universal. HD-DVD has no such safeguard.

[TBoneCapone]

Originally Posted by javayoda

It means if BD+ works to slow theft studios will be more willing to release titles on BD - perhaps even a studio like Universal. HD-DVD has no such safeguard.

Good call.....let's hope Universal opens it's eyes.

[Red_Son07]

This is a good thing it means that FOX will start to pump out some Blu-Ray titles....

[jorg]

Originally Posted by stevei

I don't understand why this is good news. DVD copy protection was broken a long time ago, yet the format has been very successful. All we can say so far is that formats that are easily copied appear to be more successful in the marketplace. I'm not suggesting this is necessarily cause and effect, but there is a strong correlation between the two factors, with both CDs and DVDs being easily copied, and CDs having seen off the challenge of minidisc, DVD Audio and SACD which were less easily copied.

If this stops people from playing back legally purchased blu-ray discs on their PCs, for example (because they haven't got HDCP displays), surely it will just cause people to buy hd-dvds instead which they can play back with suitable software to break the encryption?

in general this is bad for the format actruly because there will be less cheap(pirate) copies to go around. but in short teram this might sway a netrual company to go exclusive of blu-ray meaning even less movies for hd dvd

[WriteSimply]

Originally Posted by stevei

I don't understand why this is good news. DVD copy protection was broken a long time ago, yet the format has been very successful. All we can say so far is that formats that are easily copied appear to be more successful in the marketplace. I'm not suggesting this is necessarily cause and effect, but there is a strong correlation between the two factors, with both CDs and DVDs being easily copied, and CDs having seen off the challenge of minidisc, DVD Audio and SACD which were less easily copied.

SACD and DVD-A didn't gain mass acceptance so there's no point in attempting to break their copy protection. And for the record, their encryption still stands.

According to your logic, a format is successful if it can be copied. Somewhat true in that it drives hardware adoption. But content owners are not going to be very happy about piracy.

What is needed is for both hardware and software owners AND consumers to be happy about the format.

If this stops people from playing back legally purchased blu-ray discs on their PCs, for example (because they haven't got HDCP displays), surely it will just cause people to buy hd-dvds instead which they can play back with suitable software to break the encryption?

The HDCP conundrum exists now. There's no way to get around it as the ship has sailed. It really is up to the monitor and graphics card manufacturers to make these products compliant. HD-DVD drives have the same problem with HDCP.

If you can't play your legally purchased BD discs because your hardware was hacked for copy encryption, then the blame is one you.

Since HD-DVD has only AACS, the HD-DVD content owners - so far Warner, Paramount, Universal, Weinstein and Canal + for Europe - is going to get really frustrated really fast if their discs are selling, not because HD-DVD is the better format but because 24 hours later that content will be online.


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[HDTV1080P]

I agree this is good news for Blu-ray. If in reality BD+ stops all or most piracy then Universal Studios and other studios might decide to release only in Blu-ray to make sure their movies are not being downloaded for free.

[Ascended_Saiyan]

BD+ was sounding lovely until I read that it adds 7 to 28 days to production times. That's crazy! That means unless they use MPEG-2 for titles it could take a month and a half to release a title! That means about half the titles currently being released per year. I'm sorry, but that just doesn't sit well with me.

[HDTV1080P]

Originally Posted by Ascended_Saiyan

BD+ was sounding lovely until I read that it adds 7 to 28 days to production times. That's crazy! That means unless they use MPEG-2 for titles it could take a month and a half to release a title! That means about half the titles currently being released per year. I'm sorry, but that just doesn't sit well with me.

If it really takes that long then over time production times should improve. Of course Sony studios for their releases can delay the DVD release to the same day as BLU-RAY and no one will know of any delay if Sony pictures releases both DVD and BLU-RAY on the same day.

[GasCat]

The format is growing and maturing for the long haul. This and BD-J were always planned. I think it shows the weakness of HD-DVD and the strength of Blu. There is a nice sound to the words "fully implemented."

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by Ascended_Saiyan

BD+ was sounding lovely until I read that it adds 7 to 28 days to production times. That's crazy! That means unless they use MPEG-2 for titles it could take a month and a half to release a title! That means about half the titles currently being released per year. I'm sorry, but that just doesn't sit well with me.

Where did you read that? It seems excessive.

Gary

[jorg]

Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

Where did you read that? It seems excessive.

Gary

https://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=135

right there tho but dose that mean it take like 7-28 days more for the master copie or every copie?

[WriteSimply]

Originally Posted by Ascended_Saiyan

BD+ was sounding lovely until I read that it adds 7 to 28 days to production times. That's crazy!

That just means release schedules will have to be revised, that's all. So instead of replication starting say on July 1st, to meet the deadline they have to start say 14 days before. It's just a matter of adjusting.


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[Ascended_Saiyan]

Originally Posted by jorg

https://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=135

right there tho but dose that mean it take like 7-28 days more for the master copie or every copie?

That's the extra time before shipped to stores. I know it's not 7 to 28 per disc. It's that extra amount of time inbetween titles being produced by the studios. They at least need to increase the infrastructure to offset the extra production time incurred by implementing BD+ or release more heavy hitting titles. We wait that long for bigger titles to be released. Bigger titles would satisfy me inbetween title releases.

[Ascended_Saiyan]

Originally Posted by WriteSimply

That just means release schedules will have to be revised, that's all. So instead of replication starting say on July 1st, to meet the deadline they have to start say 14 days before. It's just a matter of adjusting.


fuad

So, how much time is wasted between encoding and disc production? I wasn't aware of a waiting period in-between those processes.

[stevei]

The other things this makes me wonder about are:
- It talks about installing a piece of software onto the player - is this going to make BD+ discs load more slowly?
- Does it require more processing power to play a BD+ disc, making a PS3, for example, spin its fan faster and create more noise?
- What happens when the system goes wrong and honest consumers suffer, e.g. someone's legally purchased disc gets disabled because of a software bug? I've read about handshaking problems between devices already, if these bugs resulted in someone's purchased product becoming disabled, they're not going to be happy.
- If each individual disc has a unique key, can existing manufacturing facilities cope with this, or are they going to have to buy more sophisticated production facilities, ramping up the cost of Blu-ray production?
- Will it succeed in stopping professional counterfeiters?

[blitz6speed]

Originally Posted by stevei

The other things this makes me wonder about are:
- It talks about installing a piece of software onto the player - is this going to make BD+ discs load more slowly?

It will probably add a few seconds at the very beginning.

- Does it require more processing power to play a BD+ disc, making a PS3, for example, spin its fan faster and create more noise?

No, its just a quick initial check at the beginning, discs read at the same speed on all BD discs and players, so it will not get louder or spin faster.

- What happens when the system goes wrong and honest consumers suffer, e.g. someone's legally purchased disc gets disabled because of a software bug? I've read about handshaking problems between devices already, if these bugs resulted in someone's purchased product becoming disabled, they're not going to be happy.

This is the unfortunate side effect to the massive amounts of DRM, there IS a chance of that happening, but hopefully it will be very small in percentage.

- If each individual disc has a unique key, can existing manufacturing facilities cope with this, or are they going to have to buy more sophisticated production facilities, ramping up the cost of Blu-ray production?

When they mean each disc has a unique key, they mean each MASTER has a unique key. So say Pirates Of The Carribean 1 and 2 for blu-ray, will have a separate BD+ Encryption for part 1, and a totally different encryption for part 2, not like AACS which is the same for all discs. But the same copy of pirates 2 for example will all have the same BD+ protection on them, it is not per DISC, but per TITLE.

- Will it succeed in stopping professional counterfeiters?

According to Amir, BD+ will make it even EASIER for hackers to pirate blu-ray discs. We will find out soon enough if he was speaking the truth or just lying through his teeth.

[stevei]

Originally Posted by blitz6speed

When they mean each disc has a unique key, they mean each MASTER has a unique key. So say Pirates Of The Carribean 1 and 2 for blu-ray, will have a separate BD+ Encryption for part 1, and a totally different encryption for part 2, not like AACS which is the same for all discs. But the same copy of pirates 2 for example will all have the same BD+ protection on them, it is not per DISC, but per TITLE.

What the article says is:
"BD+ allows the disc to install a small piece of encryption software on a player, meaning that each disc can have its own key instead of each disc of a particular movie having the same key. This allows a single disc to be rejected, effectively punishing the person stealing the content, instead of everyone who owns that movie."

I'm confused - I can't see that it's practical for it to work like the article says, but if it works how you said, I can't see that it's going to be effective. I can only conclude that it must work like the article said, and that's why production will be delayed by 7-28 days per title.