Quality cable make a huge difference......

[budkole]

Just posting this just for general purposes, because i sure most of us know this already.

Well, i run 7.1 multichannel from my Pio 51fd to my Pio 49txi. I had been putting off buying some good (rca) cables until today. The ones i were previously using were the cheap, flimsy red and white ones. I had also been running a long rca cable as a subwoofer cable I finally got around to getting a subwoofer cable and some really thick gold plated audio cables from radio shack...all i can say is wow, what a difference.

If you are a 7.1 multichannel user(like me), get good cables, not necessarily expensive ones, but good ones that are made for audio.

on side note, if anyone has experienced popping with their 51fd while using multichannel, switch the 51fd to "large" speakers and that will solve your problems

[DRC72]

I didn't buy gold plated cables, but I did buy higher quality RCA cables from Radio Shack.

[budkole]

Originally Posted by DRC72

I didn't by gold plated cables, but I did buy higher quality RCA cables from Radio Shack.

I honestly dont think that the gold plating makes a difference

[DRC72]

Originally Posted by budkole

I honestly dont think that the gold plating makes a difference

Concurred..... The cables that I bought were thicker than the average cheapo cables, that you get with standard audio components. I was looking at monster cables, but then your looking at a $100 or so cost to do an average 7.1 connection. Honestly I don't think I would see a benefit.

[KCLARK]

Originally Posted by DRC72

I didn't buy gold plated cables, but I did buy higher quality RCA cables from Radio Shack.

I went this route too but went from the red/white RCA's to the Gold Plated RadioShack RCA's, and even took on Monster 400/800 series, until finally ending up with BlueJeansCables. I feel like crap that I wasted so much money on the others but with BJC its something that only your ears can justify. I swear to you, every component in my system plays better (louder, cleaner) at the same volume. Subwoofer cable change was the convincer. My sub now plays fuller, and I can hear more lower tones with no boominess. Wish I had pics to show the differences in the sizes of the different cables that BJC makes compared to the others, they're double the size in diameter from what I had before.

[DRC72]

Originally Posted by KCLARK

I went this route too but went from the red/white RCA's to the Gold Plated RadioShack RCA's, and even took on Monster 400/800 series, until finally ending up with BlueJeansCables. I feel like crap that I wasted so much money on the others but with BJC its something that only your ears can justify. I swear to you, every component in my system plays better (louder, cleaner) at the same volume. Subwoofer cable change was the convincer. My sub now plays fuller, and I can hear more lower tones with no boominess. Wish I had pics to show the differences in the sizes of the different cables that BJC makes compared to the others, they're double the size in diameter from what I had before.

Do you have a link to BJC's website?

[KCLARK]

Originally Posted by DRC72

Do you have a link to BJC's website?

http://www.bluejeanscable.com/index.htm

I have my entire bedroom system and family room system all hooked up using only the Canare LV-77S cables for RCA cabling and my subwoofers as well. http://www.bluejeanscable.com/pages/...s/canarelv.pdf

If you're wondering how I came to determine which cable type to pick, it was based on this cabling type comparison, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE IN EACH TYPE.
http://www.bluejeanscable.co.uk/arti...mrejection.htm

And if you dont believe you can hear the difference when using these cables, just send them back for a full refund, no questions.

[Petra_Kalbrain]

Does Monster Cable make RCA cables? Because those are absolutely THE BEST OF THE BEST when it comes to cabling!

[DRC72]

Originally Posted by KCLARK

http://www.bluejeanscable.com/index.htm

I have my entire bedroom system and family room system all hooked up using only the Canare LV-77S cables for RCA cabling and my subwoofers as well. http://www.bluejeanscable.com/pages/...s/canarelv.pdf

If you're wondering how I came to determine which cable type to pick, it was based on this cabling type comparison, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE IN EACH TYPE.
http://www.bluejeanscable.co.uk/arti...mrejection.htm

And if you dont believe you can hear the difference when using these cables, just send them back for a full refund, no questions.

Great info!!!! Thanks!

[aramis109]

Originally Posted by budkole

Just posting this just for general purposes, because i sure most of us know this already.

Well, i run 7.1 multichannel from my Pio 51fd to my Pio 49txi. I had been putting off buying some good (rca) cables until today. The ones i were previously using were the cheap, flimsy red and white ones. I had also been running a long rca cable as a subwoofer cable I finally got around to getting a subwoofer cable and some really thick gold plated audio cables from radio shack...all i can say is wow, what a difference.

If you are a 7.1 multichannel user(like me), get good cables, not necessarily expensive ones, but good ones that are made for audio.

on side note, if anyone has experienced popping with their 51fd while using multichannel, switch the 51fd to "large" speakers and that will solve your problems

What are you running RCA cables to? Are you using the analog outs? If so, I would think you'd definitely benefit from a properly shielded cable vs. cheap RCA's meant to carry video only.

If you're not using the analog outs... gotta ask, why RCA? Also, the popping you mention- is this when it switches audio or is it during playback? Setting your speakers to "large" is generally not an optimal setting, especially when you have a subwoofer. Most speakers (outside of the high-end) don't do a great job producing the really low stuff.

[SlmShdy1]

I have a setup at work hooked up like that. I'm using the Panasonic DMPBD55K with the Onkyo 506 with analog cables (since it does HDMI passthrough). I know for sure it would sound better with better RCA cables and an actual subwoofer cable, but it sounds good enough for the people who are listening to it.

[budkole]

Originally Posted by aramis109

What are you running RCA cables to? Are you using the analog outs? If so, I would think you'd definitely benefit from a properly shielded cable vs. cheap RCA's meant to carry video only.

If you're not using the analog outs... gotta ask, why RCA? Also, the popping you mention- is this when it switches audio or is it during playback? Setting your speakers to "large" is generally not an optimal setting, especially when you have a subwoofer. Most speakers (outside of the high-end) don't do a great job producing the really low stuff.

Not quite sure what your looking for..but here goes...

Pioneer 51fd has 7.1 multichannel out, My receiver 49txi has 7.1 multichannel in. I am using(now) "stereo audio cables to connect them" not rca video cables. I am also using a "subwoofer cable" from the receiver to sub.

The popping was occurring during playback at times, ie, during action scenes.

I assume that you know that the setting for large and small simply references the crossover frequencies. Setting the pio 51 to "large" solved the issue of popping, thus setting the proper crossover and letting the receiver determine what to do.

The whole point of me starting this thread is just to glorify the reasons for using the proper cables for job.

the term "rca" is a general term when referring to those types of cables, it may not be the right term, but its the general term.

hopefully this helps

[aramis109]

Originally Posted by budkole

Not quite sure what your looking for..but here goes...

Pioneer 51fd has 7.1 multichannel out, My receiver 49txi has 7.1 multichannel in. I am using(now) "stereo audio cables to connect them" not rca video cables. I am also using a "subwoofer cable" from the receiver to sub.

The popping was occurring during playback at times, ie, during action scenes.

I assume that you know that the setting for large and small simply references the crossover frequencies. Setting the pio 51 to "large" solved the issue of popping, thus setting the proper crossover and letting the receiver determine what to do.

The whole point of me starting this thread is just to glorify the reasons for using the proper cables for job.

the term "rca" is a general term when referring to those types of cables, it may not be the right term, but its the general term.

hopefully this helps

Well, I was just following your terminology for RCA. When someone says that I think of the cheapie cable for stereo.

And yes, I know that large vs. small determines (in part) the crossover settings. Large is typically not recommended because you're sending everything to them, and depending on your setup can end up causing distortion because your speakers can't produce the proper hz. Setting them at small allows you to properly set your crossover points to allow rolloff of the frequencies that are too low for the speaker to adequately handle.

Large typically means "full range" so the receiver wouldn't be determining anything in terms of crossover- it sends it all to the fronts. Hence why I said it typically wasn't recommended.

[Halcro 1]

Originally Posted by aramis109

What are you running RCA cables to? Are you using the analog outs? If so, I would think you'd definitely benefit from a properly shielded cable vs. cheap RCA's meant to carry video only.

If you're not using the analog outs... gotta ask, why RCA? Also, the popping you mention- is this when it switches audio or is it during playback? Setting your speakers to "large" is generally not an optimal setting, especially when you have a subwoofer. Most speakers (outside of the high-end) don't do a great job producing the really low stuff.

On my EAD CD Player I use the digital out not the optical out ,, The digital out sounds better Im not a fan of optical ... I just use that for my cable box the audio for cable sucks anyway

[Dagger]

Completely agree! And in my experience, even in the digital cable world improvements can be found. I was on ebay looking for a set of DH Labs Speaker Cable. I ended up coming across a DH Labs optical cable on a Best Offer. I low-balled the guy for kicks and by my surprise he accepted it. When I got the optical, I plugged it in between my CDP and DAC and flipped the switch on my DAC from coax (had a monoprice coax already in there) to optical in MID SONG. I heard an immediate and substantial improvement in the depth and tightness of the bass. I was floored by the relatively cheap upgrade.

I made the switch thinking I wouldn't hear a difference but the improvement was obvious. I'll likely never be one of those guys that will get into the uber-expensive cables, but I'm definitely going to stay away from the cheap stuff.

For those that will say, something is likely wrong with your coax connection in either the CDP or DAC, I ended up getting a DH Labs coax to connect my squeezebox to the DAC. I hear no difference between the two sources.

[lanceroz]

Yeah the RCA cables make a heck of a difference. Due to being an analog signal. Even when I upgraded to a better subwoofer cable, I was blown away (literally) on the difference the cable made. So yeah going from cheap analog "left/right" RCA cables to good shielded ones do make a difference. But they don't make much of a difference when upgrading a "digital" signal cable, unless talking about over a longer distance!...