DVD mpeg-2 to Blu-Ray without re-encode?

[JLMTSTT]

I'm surprised at the difficulty I've experienced in finding an answer to this seemingly simple question, but I've had no luck in finding any answer online. I've seen multiple discussions with seemingly no resolution.

Can I take a DVD compliant mpeg-2 and author a Blu-Ray without re-encoding? I know Blu-Ray supports 720x480/576 (59.94i/50i) mpeg-2, the same as DVD, but there's often more to it than that.

I know that Blu-Ray does not support 704x480, although DVD does. So any 704x480 DVDs are not compatible with Blu-Ray without re-encoding. Also, I don't believe Blu-Ray supports mp2, although it does support AC3. How about progressive scan DVDs? Does standard def content have to be interlaced to be Blu-Ray compatible?

I'm not looking for specific software programs to allow me to author a Blu-Ray. What I want to know is if I'll be able to take the DVDs I create today and author a Blu-Ray sometime in the future without re-encoding.

If not, then how do I make standard definition material compliant with Blu-Ray specs. Are there any types of DVD-compliant mpeg-2 streams (aside from the examples I gave earlier) that are not Blu-Ray compliant?

Thanks

[Anthony P]

yes, that is why a lot of the extras are exactly the same as the DVDs.

[JLMTSTT]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

yes, that is why a lot of the extras are exactly the same as the DVDs.

When I went through some other threads about this topic, some people came around and gave a simple "yes" or "no" to this question without really elaborating. So, no offense, but a simple "yes" isn't a sufficient answer.

How do you know they're exactly the same? They could have been encoded twice, once for DVD and once for Blu Ray. I've already given examples (e.g. 704x480, mp2) that cannot be Blu Ray compatible (but would have been HD DVD compatible BTW). So, are all 720x480 AC3 DVDs Blu Ray compatible, and how do you know?

Even if they are exactly the same on the DVDs and Blu Rays you've seen, that does NOT imply that every DVD mpeg-2 is Blu Ray compatible. IF the Blu Ray specs are more picky than DVD about which mpeg-2 streams they'll allow, THEN they would first encode the stream to be Blu-Ray compatible (and then it would also be DVD compatible because DVD specs are less picky). It all depends on whether DVD or Blu Ray has the more stringent specs.

So more elaboration would help me understand if you know what you're talking about or just guessing.

Thanks

[Anthony P]

if you want more info http://www.blu-raydisc.com/Assets/Do...2955-15269.pdf

[JLMTSTT]

Okay, thanks for your response. I don't think the answer is going to be in a document quoting specifications. The only way to know for certain is if the people who created the Blu-ray specs actually state that DVD compatible mpeg-2 is also Blu-ray compatible (or for someone to actually try it out and confirm that they are compatible). To that end, I'm just going to look for a Blu-ray authoring program that will tell me which streams are compatible and which ones are not (i.e. one that does not re-encode). Unfortunately, what I've heard is that these types of authoring programs are very rare right now. Almost anything out now that authors Blu-rays will re-encode everything, whether it needs re-encoding or not. Right now it looks like DVD-compliant mpeg-2 at 720x480 with AC3 audio will be Blu-ray compliant, but anyone who's ever dealt with digital video will know that it's almost impossible to anticipate every potential incompatibility, especially with optical discs.

I can't say that I'm too pleased with the Blu-ray specs, to be honest. HD-DVD was much more inclusive in terms of the types of SD video allowed. It's actually rather ridiculous that all DVD videos are not Blu-ray compliant. Why go as far as to include 720x480 mpeg-2 in the specs but then not allow 704x480.

So, it really wouldn't shock me to learn that 720x480 mpeg-2 is allowed on Blu-ray, just not anything that was DVD compatible. That's not really the only disappointing thing about Blu-ray. Much of the news I've read has focused on Blu-ray being anti-consumer, in that many of the plans for the format would have made it difficult for average users to produce and author their own Blu-rays. I don't know if it's going to pan out that way, but these people come across as jerks in terms of some of their plans for the format.

I realize that this is more of a consumer oriented forum (i.e. focused on the consumption rather than the production), but that's largely going to change in the next couple years as people start producing their own content and start getting annoyed with the incompatibilities and short-sightedness that may (or may not) be present in the format.

[atomik kinder]

I don't know what the point would be to use standard def video to produce a Blu-ray Disc since it is not Hi Def. All Blu-ray players do play DVDs it is not going to look any different on a Blu-ray Disc. I can only see people wanting to make Blu-ray Discs of Hi Def video only.

[Ryu77]

Blu-ray (or more specifically AVCHD) can be authored with an SD MPEG2 elementary video stream. I am sure that either 23.976fps, 25fps or 29.98fps (pulldown) will be ok but I haven't tried this with SD content.

The average bitrate, peak bitrate, initial buffer and decoded picture buffer for these streams will fall well under what AVCHD specs allow for so that wont be a problem either. DVD's are encoded within the MPEG2 main profile, while AVCHD allows High Level so this also wont be a problem either as DVD's are encoded with less complex algorithms, therefore producing a stream that is less demanding to decode.

Also, I know AVCHD technically doesn't support DTS audio. However, you will find every Blu-ray player will play an AVCHD disc authored with a DTS audio track.

I don't know what sort of information you are looking for exactly but if you would like us to be more specific, please be more specific with your questions.

It is also fair of us to ask why you want to do this? I don't think backwards compatibility between Blu-ray and DVD (red optics) will be removed at any time in the future.

[JLMTSTT]

Originally Posted by Ryu77

It is also fair of us to ask why you want to do this? I don't think backwards compatibility between Blu-ray and DVD (red optics) will be removed at any time in the future.

I encode my own mpeg2 (for DVD) using Cinema Craft Encoder. It's encoded at 720x480, 29.97 fps (sometimes progressive and sometimes interlaced), and with AC3 audio. I want to be able to eventually place these mpeg2 videos on Blu-ray. Basically, I want the same video, without re-encoding, on both DVD and Blu-ray. I thought I made that very clear.

Some of the stuff that I encode really isn't practical to do in HD, at least not for a long while. For instance, if you do wireless video from a radio controlled craft, the only practical way to transmit (and therefore record) the video would be in SD. So, for some scenarios, even when HD becomes much cheaper and easier to encode, it still won't be practical to do HD. Wireless HD video isn't currently practical and probably won't be for a long time.

I don't know what the point would be to use standard def video to produce a Blu-ray Disc since it is not Hi Def. All Blu-ray players do play DVDs it is not going to look any different on a Blu-ray Disc. I can only see people wanting to make Blu-ray Discs of Hi Def video only.

First of all, it will carry 6 to 12 times more SD video than a DVD. Second, it's the most current standard. I think it would be foolhardy and short-sighted not to encode your new videos to be compatible with the most current standard. Blu-ray isn't necessarily only for HD. You can put whatever you want on it that is compatible with the specs. Can you guarantee the Blu-ray players will play DVDs 10 or 15 years from now?

This illustrates the difference between content consumers (you) and content producers. Why would I spend the effort now making DVDs and totally ignore the potential of placing it on a Blu-ray in the future?

[scott1256ca]

try tsmuxer (via tsmuxergui). This should let you demux your vob, then remux to author a BD. Whether or not they play on any or all BD players, you will have to check for yourself. I doubt tsmuxergui will let you demux a vob that is copy protected.

Unless you plan to add some extra feature to this that dvd doesn't support, I don't see why you'd bother, though, since all BD players can play dvds.

I can't answer what formats (i.e. 704x480) that play on dvd will also play (or in this example not play) on BD.

[Ryu77]

Originally Posted by JLMTSTT

I encode my own mpeg2 (for DVD) using Cinema Craft Encoder. It's encoded at 720x480, 29.97 fps (sometimes progressive and sometimes interlaced), and with AC3 audio. I want to be able to eventually place these mpeg2 videos on Blu-ray. Basically, I want the same video, without re-encoding, on both DVD and Blu-ray. I thought I made that very clear.

Mate, I attempted to provide a clear answer to help you and you respond with arrogance? Was my answer not helpful? Yes, you made your intentions clear as to what you wanted to achieve but often times the "why" will enable those inspired to want to help you be able to provide a better answer.

Originally Posted by JLMTSTT

I'm surprised at the difficulty I've experienced in finding an answer to this seemingly simple question, but I've had no luck in finding any answer online. I've seen multiple discussions with seemingly no resolution.

This also suggests to me that you are entering into this question with an attitude that everyone is an idiot.

Originally Posted by JLMTSTT

So more elaboration would help me understand if you know what you're talking about or just guessing.

This was also quite rude to say to Anthony P when I am sure he would have elaborated if you simply asked him to.

Originally Posted by JLMTSTT

I don't think the answer is going to be in a document quoting specifications.

Another inappropriate response towards someone that is trying to help you. Actually by having a clear understanding of Blu-ray and AVCHD specifications would allow you to discern what is the requirements for an MPEG2 video stream to be within that standard. Is it that you are too lazy to do some of your own work and instead you want us to provide you with all the answers, only for you to belittle us because of the answers we give?

Originally Posted by JLMTSTT

So, it really wouldn't shock me to learn that 720x480 mpeg-2 is allowed on Blu-ray, just not anything that was DVD compatible. That's not really the only disappointing thing about Blu-ray. Much of the news I've read has focused on Blu-ray being anti-consumer, in that many of the plans for the format would have made it difficult for average users to produce and author their own Blu-rays. I don't know if it's going to pan out that way, but these people come across as jerks in terms of some of their plans for the format.

It's early days for this format. I seem to be able to work with this format with little difficulty. Admittedly, there are not a lot of consumer level applications with pretty GUI's that make everything nice and easy at this time but that is changing rapidly. Besides, you made it sound like you were quite experienced with digital media...

Originally Posted by JLMTSTT

anyone who's ever dealt with digital video will know that it's almost impossible to anticipate every potential incompatibility, especially with optical discs.

So an expert like yourself shouldn't have too much trouble working with command line based applications and software applications that look like a diagram from NASA.

I have been messing around with digital media for quite some years myself so I probably find it easier than most with these applications. However, I can see far more potential in what Blu-ray offers compared to DVD so I am sure we will see a lot more user friendly software to come.

Originally Posted by JLMTSTT

First of all, it will carry 6 to 12 times more SD video than a DVD. Second, it's the most current standard. I think it would be foolhardy and short-sighted not to encode your new videos to be compatible with the most current standard. Blu-ray isn't necessarily only for HD. You can put whatever you want on it that is compatible with the specs. Can you guarantee the Blu-ray players will play DVDs 10 or 15 years from now?

If anyone is short sighted it is you. There is no way that Blu-ray will be the standard in 10 or 15 years either and I seriously doubt that DVD backwards compatibility will be ever removed from Blu-ray players, unless a new format is introduced and Blu-ray backwards compatibility is included (new format + Blu-ray playback). DVD used MPEG2 for video exclusively, then Blu-ray introduced AVC (h264) and VC-1 along with higher profile MPEG2 compliancy. What could happen in the future is anybody's guess.

Please respect those that have taken the time to provide you with answers. It is they that have given you their time. The least you can do is be thankful for it. If you don't like the answers given here then by all means leave here and post somewhere else.

[JLMTSTT]

Originally Posted by Ryu77

Mate, I attempted to provide a clear answer to help you and you respond with arrogance? Was my answer not helpful? Yes, you made your intentions clear as to what you wanted to achieve but often times the "why" will enable those inspired to want to help you be able to provide a better answer.

Excuse me, mate, but, what was this question?

"I don't know what sort of information you are looking for exactly but if you would like us to be more specific, please be more specific with your questions."

You specifically stated you wanted more information, so I gave it to you. It seems to me you're the arrogant "genius".

Originally Posted by Ryu77

This also suggests to me that you are entering into this question with an attitude that everyone is an idiot.

Ditto to you.

Originally Posted by Ryu77

This was also quite rude to say to Anthony P when I am sure he would have elaborated if you simply asked him to.

I didn't want him to elaborate if he had nothing meaningful to say. Sometimes you have to make provocative statements to get a meaningful response. I would be happy if no one responded if no one had any definitive answer to the question.

Originally Posted by Ryu77

Another inappropriate response towards someone that is trying to help you. Actually by having a clear understanding of Blu-ray and AVCHD specifications would allow you to discern what is the requirements for an MPEG2 video stream to be within that standard. Is it that you are too lazy to do some of your own work and instead you want us to provide you with all the answers, only for you to belittle us because of the answers we give?

Cry me a river. My responses were a little pushy. You're the one who's downright rude.

Originally Posted by Ryu77

It's early days for this format. I seem to be able to work with this format with little difficulty. Admittedly, there are not a lot of consumer level applications with pretty GUI's that make everything nice and easy at this time but that is changing rapidly. Besides, you made it sound like you were quite experienced with digital media...

I'm experienced but not an expert. It's just a hobby. I have no formal training although I have hundreds of hours of experience.

Originally Posted by Ryu77

So an expert like yourself shouldn't have too much trouble working with command line based applications and software applications that look like a diagram from NASA.

This is a Blu-ray forum. I asked a simple question about Blu-ray to which I received no answer. I'm perfectly capable of coming up with the answer on my own, but I was hoping I could do it a little easier. My assumption was that since this is an official (?) Blu-ray forum, there would be people here that are intimately involved with its design. I was wrong. This is clearly a very non-technical, consumption oriented forum.

Originally Posted by Ryu77

I have been messing around with digital media for quite some years myself so I probably find it easier than most with these applications. However, I can see far more potential in what Blu-ray offers compared to DVD so I am sure we will see a lot more user friendly software to come.

I don't know. It's too expensive and immature of a technology right now. I don't have any Blu-ray gear.

Originally Posted by Ryu77

Please respect those that have taken the time to provide you with answers. It is they that have given you their time. The least you can do is be thankful for it. If you don't like the answers given here then by all means leave here and post somewhere else.

No! I had no intention of staying. When someone posts in my thread, then I respond. If you don't want responses, then you stop responding or asking me questions.

I didn't want a bunch of fluff in this thread. I just wanted a clear and concise answer from an expert. I would be fine with no responses if no one has an answer. As I stated, my tone is purposeful. I don't want a huge discussion that goes nowhere. I just wanted an expert to respond. I really don't mean to imply that anyone here doesn't have a strong understanding of Blu-ray and digital video. The problem is that I've already talked to experts on video forums that couldn't answer this question properly. That's why I was looking for people who were actually involved intimately with Blu-ray.

As I stated, I will obtain a Blu-ray authoring program that does not re-encode to verify Blu-ray compliance. I'm also curious about other codecs besides mpeg-2, so it should help with that as well. I stated this earlier, then you chose to respond and ask me for more info. Then you chose to criticize me when I gave you the info you asked for. If you don't like my tone, then take a hike. Less for me to have to read through.

Furthermore, my question basically amounts to a basic yes or no answer (followed by some explanation). No, your answer didn't help. My question was, can my CCE encoded mpeg-2 (created for DVD) be put on a Blu-ray without re-encoding. That's it. Did you answer it?

[JLMTSTT]

Originally Posted by scott1256ca

try tsmuxer (via tsmuxergui). This should let you demux your vob, then remux to author a BD. Whether or not they play on any or all BD players, you will have to check for yourself. I doubt tsmuxergui will let you demux a vob that is copy protected.

Unless you plan to add some extra feature to this that dvd doesn't support, I don't see why you'd bother, though, since all BD players can play dvds.

I can't answer what formats (i.e. 704x480) that play on dvd will also play (or in this example not play) on BD.

A proper Blu-ray authoring program should take any compliant video stream without the need for demuxing (I would think). The only proper Blu-ray authoring program I know of is Scenarist. Unfortunately, it costs $5000 bare-bones. It could cost much more with added features. That's about $4950 too much for me, so I'll have to look elsewhere.

I don't deal with any copy-protected material. It's all stuff I shot and produced myself.

[Ryu77]

Originally Posted by JLMTSTT

Furthermore, my question basically amounts to a basic yes or no answer (followed by some explanation). No, your answer didn't help. My question was, can my CCE encoded mpeg-2 (created for DVD) be put on a Blu-ray without re-encoding. That's it. Did you answer it?

The only bit missing was the "yes". I left that out because previously you had said that a simple yes wasn't good enough so I decided to go down the technical path which I hoped would prompt further questioning on your behalf but that wasn't good enough either, was it? So this wasn't an answer?...

Originally Posted by Ryu77

Blu-ray (or more specifically AVCHD) can be authored with an SD MPEG2 elementary video stream. I am sure that either 23.976fps, 25fps or 29.98fps (pulldown) will be ok but I haven't tried this with SD content.

The average bitrate, peak bitrate, initial buffer and decoded picture buffer for these streams will fall well under what AVCHD specs allow for so that wont be a problem either. DVD's are encoded within the MPEG2 main profile, while AVCHD allows High Level so this also wont be a problem either as DVD's are encoded with less complex algorithms, therefore producing a stream that is less demanding to decode.

Also, I know AVCHD technically doesn't support DTS audio. However, you will find every Blu-ray player will play an AVCHD disc authored with a DTS audio track.

I don't know what sort of information you are looking for exactly but if you would like us to be more specific, please be more specific with your questions.

It is also fair of us to ask why you want to do this? I don't think backwards compatibility between Blu-ray and DVD (red optics) will be removed at any time in the future.

Originally Posted by JLMTSTT

A proper Blu-ray authoring program should take any compliant video stream without the need for demuxing (I would think). The only proper Blu-ray authoring program I know of is Scenarist. Unfortunately, it costs $5000 bare-bones. It could cost much more with added features. That's about $4950 too much for me, so I'll have to look elsewhere.

I don't deal with any copy-protected material. It's all stuff I shot and produced myself.

scott1256ca may have overlooked stating that tsMuxeR also multiplexes (without re-encoding). It will accept VOB (Video Object Files) as an input. The only problem is that it incorrectly writes the COARSE/FINE table relationship in the CLPI (Clip Information) file causing slight seeking issues. Jdobbs, the Author of DVD Rebuilder has written a command line application that fixes the CLPI to rectify this.

Have you at least given tsMuxeR a look yet? It would be a very handy application to do your own testing. tsMuxeR is extremely lightweight and very quick. It can multiplex about 4GB per minute.

[JLMTSTT]

Originally Posted by Ryu77

So this wasn't an answer?...





tsMuxeR also multiplexes (without re-encoding). It will accept VOB (Video Object Files) as an input. The only problem is that it incorrectly writes the COARSE/FINE table relationship in the CLPI (Clip Information) file. Jdobbs, the Author of DVD Rebuilder has written a command line application that fixes the CLPI to rectify this.

Have you at least given tsMuxeR a look yet? It would be a very handy application to do your own testing. tsMuxeR is extremely lightweight and very quick. It can multiplex about 4GB per minute.

I have no Blu-ray gear at all. My only purpose for an authoring program is to know if the video is Blu-ray compliant, without actually ever playing it on a player. For that reason, I have to be 100% confident that the program will only accept compliant videos and inform me when something isn't compliant. I'd be happy to try it, but from what I've heard, it will author non-compliant videos, and then I would have no way of knowing it. I'm still about a year away from buying a burner, but I'm anticipating that the stuff I do now will eventually end up on a Blu-ray. I'm actually also considering h.264 SD, but I'll leave that for another time.

Are you saying what I've heard about tsMuxeR isn't true?

For instance, I use TMPGEnc DVD Author to author DVDs. It tells me right away if a video is not DVD compliant. I can rely on it, and I don't ever have to play the DVD to know that it was authored correctly. It always works.

[Ryu77]

Originally Posted by JLMTSTT

I have no Blu-ray gear at all. My only purpose for an authoring program is to know if the video is Blu-ray compliant, without actually ever playing it on a player. For that reason, I have to be 100% confident that the program will only accept compliant videos and inform me when something isn't compliant. I'd be happy to try it, but from what I've heard, it will author non-compliant videos, and then I would have no way of knowing it. I'm still about a year away from buying a burner, but I'm anticipating that the stuff I do now will eventually end up on a Blu-ray. I'm actually also considering h.264 SD, but I'll leave that for another time.

Are you saying what I've heard about tsMuxeR isn't true?

For instance, I use TMPGEnc DVD Author to author DVDs. It tells me right away if a video is not DVD compliant. I can rely on it, and I don't ever have to play the DVD to know that it was authored correctly. It always works.

I hope we can continue to move forward now.

Making the move to h264 encoding is certainly a wise one. You will save at least one third bitrate for the same quality vs. MPEG2. The only consideration is how CPU intensive it is to encode.

Yes, tsMuxeR will multiplex BD content that is non standard. I assumed you had a player of some sort... My bad. You could start with AVCHD authoring. You could get 60 to 90 minutes (maybe more depending on content type and encoding parameters) of high quality 1080p video on a dual layer DVD.This way you could still use your red laser burner and play back media through your PC via ArcSoft TotalMedia Theatre.

I am almost 100% sure that DVD MPEG2 streams are fully compliant within the BD/AVCHD standard. For me to be 100% sure, I would need to do more research myself. The information that I have already given you was an elaboration of the short answer of "yes". A MPEG2 video stream that is DVD compliant will have no problem being placed within BD/AVCHD structure. However, only 720 x 480 or 720 x 576 resolutions are supported as you have already stated. The Blu-ray white paper that Anthony P linked to provides a table on page 17. I have used the white paper for a reference numerous times when I was in initial stages of getting my head around the Blu-ray format.

Codecs:
MPEG-2: MP@HL and MP@ML
MPEG-4 AVC: MPEG-4 AVC: HP@4.1/4.0 and MP@4.1/4.0/3.2/3.1/3.0
SMPTE VC-1: AP@L3 and AP@L2

Max. bitrate: 40Mbps

HD:
1920x1080x59.94-i, 50-i (16:9)
1920x1080x24-p, 23.976-p (16:9)
1440x1080x59.94-i, 50-i (16:9) MPEG-4 AVC / SMPTE VC-1 only
1440x1080x24-p, 23.976-p (16:9) MPEG-4 AVC / SMPTE VC-1 only
1280x720x59.94-p, 50-p (16:9)
1280x720x24-p, 23.976-p (16:9)

SD:
720x480x59.94-i (4:3/16:9)
720x576x50-i (4:3/16:9)

Keep in mind though, that newer Blu-ray stand alone players are starting to become more forgiving and will allow for discs that are non standard.

By the way, you are correct in the fact that this is more a consumer based forum. I am one of the very rare members here that have an interest on an authoring level for Blu-ray. Try Doom9 or AfterDawn if you want better technical answers in regards to encoding and authoring etc., I am a member on both those forums.

[JLMTSTT]

Originally Posted by Ryu77

I am almost 100% sure that DVD MPEG2 streams are fully compliant within the BD/AVCHD standard. For me to be 100% sure, I would need to do more research myself.

Ditto.

I'll give the other forums a try.

Here are some threads that I've read (not participated in):

http://www.videohelp.com/forum/archi...y-t358469.html

http://forum.videohelp.com/topic346387.html

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.ph...blu-ray+mpeg-2


As you can see, this has been discussed extensively on other forums without resolution. So, I hope you can see why I didn't want to start another thread that would meander and not actually answer the question. I'm sorry if I came across as rude.

Thanks.

[JLMTSTT]

And here's a thread that I started on the topic:

http://www.dvdnextcopysupportforum.c...ead.php?t=6697


So, you can see that I've come here when I'm just about fed up with the whole thing.

[vamsilak]

to the Op
u can put mpeg-2(dvd) onto bluray...but why
its same quality the only difference is u can put more data
why not encode to bluray spec (1080p and atleast ac-3 audio format)
that way don't have to wait or u can watch hd content until the studios release
(i assuming that u owned the dvd copy ) trust me its pretty goodquality
which i can tell the difference between upconverting and encoded bluray quality

[JLMTSTT]

Originally Posted by vamsilak

to the Op
u can put mpeg-2(dvd) onto bluray...but why
its same quality the only difference is u can put more data
why not encode to bluray spec (1080p and atleast ac-3 audio format)
that way don't have to wait or u can watch hd content until the studios release
(i assuming that u owned the dvd copy ) trust me its pretty goodquality
which i can tell the difference between upconverting and encoded bluray quality

Have you read this thread? If you had, you would know your response is totally off-topic and completely unhelpful. I assume you just read my original post and read nothing after that. Take note of this, Ryu77.

[Ryu77]

Originally Posted by JLMTSTT

Have you read this thread? If you had, you would know your response is totally off-topic and completely unhelpful. I assume you just read my original post and read nothing after that. Take note of this, Ryu77.

ROTFL!! I see your point now. I actually read that post and was looking forward to your response (in a sadistic kind of way very that could be related to watching Saw and waiting for Jigsaw to take his next victim... LOL!).

I would also like to take this as an opportunity to explain that I may have come across as harsh because (with no ego intended) I kind of believed that I may have been one of the very few (if not the only) member here that would have been able to discuss this on the level you were looking for.

Good luck.

Edit: By the way, I hope you managed to see my previous edits (I added more information for you in my above post).