Oh noe - Blu-ray Forum

CYMBOL · 06-03-2007, 02:11 PM

Look at the release calendar over at highdefdigest.com for HD-DVD and then look at Blu-ray. Notice the massive amount of HD-DVD compared to big blue? Now look at the companies who are releasing and you will notice that Universal is releasing movies as fast as they can to create an avalanche. (I actually don't see any movies I would care to buy/upgrade. Most of the movies are "chick flicks" or pretty tame thrillers, no Jurassic Parks, etc).

The problem is - Joe Consumer is going to walk into the store see a massive amount of HD-DVDs and think this must be the better choice. That's the genius behind the madness here.

Fox and Disney need to get their heads out of their @sses, or this thing is over. Blu-ray can't win with only Sony releasing 75% of the movies. Between the lack of new PS3 exclusive titles and exclusive Blu-ray discs, and cheap HD-DVD players, currently Blu-ray doesn't look like a good buy. The studios better step-up soon and figure out their software/hardware problems and get some discs out. If anybody has websites/links were we can complain to the companies please post them, and then, people need to be vocal.

The format war should be a no-brainer - Blu-ray, but these companies are going to lose it with their lack of support.

JTK · 06-03-2007, 02:12 PM

Omg Blu Ray Isza Teh Domm#$ed!!!

rock-ranger · 06-03-2007, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by CYMBOL

Look at the release calendar over at highdefdigest.com for HD-DVD and then look at Blu-ray. Notice the massive amount of HD-DVD compared to big blue? Now look at the companies who are releasing and you will notice that Universal is releasing movies as fast as they can to create an avalanche. (I actually don't see any movies I would care to buy/upgrade. Most of the movies are "chick flicks" or pretty tame thrillers, no Jurassic Parks, etc).

The problem is - Joe Consumer is going to walk into the store see a massive amount of HD-DVDs and think this must be the better choice. That's the genius behind the madness here.

Fox and Disney need to get their heads out of their @sses, or this thing is over. Blu-ray can't win with only Sony releasing 75% of the movies. Between the lack of new PS3 exclusive titles and exclusive Blu-ray discs, and cheap HD-DVD players, currently Blu-ray doesn't look like a good buy. The studios better step-up soon and figure out their software/hardware problems and get some discs out. If anybody has websites/links were we can complain to the companies please post them, and then, people need to be vocal.

The format war should be a no-brainer - Blu-ray, but these companies are going to lose it with their lack of support.

Well, actuall I think the Format War is about to end already due to the support of nearly all film studios except Universal. And, if you check the sales numbers for blu ray movies, many people have made their choice already too.

But I totally agree with you that the lack of titles is unacceptable. I'm calling for big back catalog titles like all Bond Movies (a must!), the Alien Films, Star Wars 1-6, Indy 1-4 etc. etc.

So please guys, don't sleep on 'em...

hyperdine · 06-03-2007, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by CYMBOL

Look at the release calendar over at highdefdigest.com for HD-DVD and then look at Blu-ray. Notice the massive amount of HD-DVD compared to big blue?

You should know by now that release calendars don't mean much. X-Men 3 was released with only about a two weeks advance notice.

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Now look at the companies who are releasing and you will notice that Universal is releasing movies as fast as they can to create an avalanche.

It's an avalanche alright...an avalanche of crap. If they were releasing E.T., Jaws, Jurrasic Park, etc. then we'd have a ball game.

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The problem is - Joe Consumer is going to walk into the store see a massive amount of HD-DVDs and think this must be the better choice.

If that were really the case, the format war would already be over. Blu-Ray already has more shelf space at stores like Best Buy, etc. (at least where I live). You know why? Because they have more movies. The title count is currently 270 for Blu-Ray vs. 220 for HD-DVD according to eproductwars.com. Even though Blu-Ray is clearly in the lead, title count alone isn't going to sway J6P. The quality of titles makes more of a difference. Case in point; Pirates of the Carribean, Casino Royale, etc.

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That's the genius behind the madness here.

Genius, no...Madness, yes...most definitely madness. Genius would be for Universal to go neutral.

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Fox and Disney need to get their heads out of their @sses, or this thing is over.

Umm...last time I checked Disney was kicking a$$ and taking names. Again, PotC killed The Matrix in sales. Heck, even Apocalypto killed the Matrix in sales. Fox will open the floodgates once BD+ is ready (which it almost is). Just think, we'll be watching Transformers on BD before the end of the year.

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Blu-ray can't win with only Sony releasing 75% of the movies. Between the lack of new PS3 exclusive titles and exclusive Blu-ray discs, and cheap HD-DVD players, currently Blu-ray doesn't look like a good buy.

What does PS3 exclusive titles have to do with the format war? Cheap HD-DVD players will not win the format war. Again, if that were the case, the format war would be over already. HD-DVD players have been selling at a huge loss for quite some time now, yet Blu-Ray still has a commanding 2:1 lead (and growing).

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The format war should be a no-brainer - Blu-ray, but these companies are going to lose it with their lack of support.

Actually, I see tons of support from the Blu-Ray backing companies. It's actually quite an amazing feat to see how they've coordinated their marketing efforts to time releases, etc. and work in cooperation with each other even though they are competitors.

Bottom line: THE SKY ISN'T FALLING! This thing isn't going to be over until after the holiday season. Unfortunately, these things take time.

DrinkMore · 06-03-2007, 03:07 PM

I really wish people would be quiet about Star Wars already. Im not a fan and I don't really care for it - but even I know that it is NOT GOING TO COME TO BLU-RAY ANYTIME IN THE NEAR FUTURE - so people really need to stop speaking about it.

And no, Blu doesn't need to do anything right now. HD-DVD is sinking its own ship all by its lonesome just fine.

Blu As Hell · 06-03-2007, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by CYMBOL

Now look at the companies who are releasing and you will notice that Universal is releasing movies as fast as they can to create an avalanche. (I actually don't see any movies I would care to buy/upgrade. Most of the movies are "chick flicks" or pretty tame thrillers, no Jurassic Parks, etc).

.

Like i've said before...calm down. The only "Killer Title" has coming out this year is "Heroes". It's going to sell but trust me it won't make a difference. Don't worry about Jurassic Park, Jaws or E.T. because Steven Spielberg ain't letting those come out until there is a definative High Definition format, so Universal can't put those out on HD DVD until he says so. There's been rumors about Scarface coming out but it's had two different special edition dvd releases within the last 3 years alone, so my bet is that it's not going to sell that well. So it will come down to this holiday trust me you will see Blu-Ray step their game up with Spiderman 3, Pirates 3, Shrek 3, Transformers, and Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer just to name a few. Then Sony themselves have already stated that the BDP-S300 will be $399 by December!(it may be lower than that if the price when it's release will be $499) So just sit back and enjoy the ride and don't worry about it. Everything is in hand.

BorrowedTime · 06-03-2007, 03:27 PM

Actually, I really do wanna see the Star Wars films on Blu-ray, sooner rather than later. In particular the prequel trilogy. Yes, the movies sucked (in terms of plot, dialogue, and some over the top and/or wooden acting), but I do remember when they were being filmed how big a deal Lucas made about making use of the latest and greatest in digital technology. With that in mind, if nothing else, and the tech behind ILM, I imagine the digital transfer of those films will be nothing short of stunning. Imagine the opening sequence of "Revenge of the Sith" where Anakin and Obi-wan fly through the massive space battle over Coruscant, the Pod Race in "The Phantom Menace", and the climactic Droid/Clone battle in "Attack of the Clones" in High Definition.

nhaase · 06-03-2007, 03:28 PM

This thread lets me share a great sight with everyone. I went to BBuy yesterday, and in the regular DVD section they had equal shelving space for the two formats, but the Blu-ray section was fully stocked, w/ multiple copies of the biggest titles (POTC, Casino Royale, etc.). The HDDVD section only had about one or two copies each of any title, and some empty spots. So, you could say HDDVDs are selling so fast that they can't keep them fully stocked, and that BDs aren't selling, so they have so many extra copies.

However, if you look at the way things are going in the big picture of this format war, it's pretty easy to conclude that BBuy is just giving HDDVD "lip service." This is further buttressed by the fact that out in the middle of a walkway they had a free-standing section of Blu-rays, with regular DVDs on the other side of that display. They've still got the two Blu-ray players hooked up to flat-panels, and no video displays of HDDVDs. Right behind one of the BD displays, they had the HD-A2 and the HD-A20 on the end of the shelf, stacked on top of each other! They don't want to make more room for HDDVD. It was great!

So, in conclusion, who cares if Universal is releasing many titles. One, they have to be able to keep this up when BD+ and BD-J 1.1 are finalized, and therefore Fox releases titles and WB puts out their back titles. Two, even if they release them, people have to buy them. They can release every chick flick they want, but we all know the major demographic of these formats won't buy them. So let Universal waste money.

Blu As Hell · 06-03-2007, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by nhaase

So, you could say HDDVDs are selling so fast that they can't keep them fully stocked, and that BDs aren't selling, so they have so many extra copies.

Or we could say that BB is not reordering HD DVDs because they're not selling and are trying to sell though their stock. Which is the case at my BB.

Helicon · 06-03-2007, 03:45 PM

Toshiba lowering it's price to $249 + 7 movies that's an admission of failure to my eyes. The titles from Universal are ...*#¨

''¤ bip bip biiib titles, they won't change anything.

SONY, Samsung, Toshiba everybody is loosing money in the launch period.

But Toshiba is loosing A LOT of money rigth now, if I where a shareholder I would not allow this to go on very long.

If Toshiba lowering it's prices doesn't help, then the war is ower. The HD camp won't have any other cards left, and they will never reach the sales numbers of Blu-ray again.

CYMBOL · 06-03-2007, 04:02 PM

I agree, the sky isn't falling . . . yet. All of you make valid points, but I really don't think the average consumer will research/compare and come to the same conclusion all of us did - Blu-ray is better. I think they will see more movies (yes, crappy Universal movies) but still, put cheap players with lots of bad movies, and yes, the general public will think they've made a good deal. Trust me, I agree with all your points. But this format war is not "in the can" and can be lost without some great titles on the calendar - don't think that some Best Buy kid who bought a HD-DVD isn't going to use that as a selling point to the average Joe.

As for mentioning the PS3 games - I believe that is a valid point on my part. Most people buy the PS3 for games and (as I did) as a movie player; however, without some more titles (exclusive, otherwise their is no incentive to get the PS3) it is less of a selling point for the general public.

My point is, with the studio support and computer support coming soon, this should be a landslide for Blu-ray, but if they don't step it up and match the competition by putting out new and exclusive products, we'll still be dealing with this format war 2 years from now and possibly losing.

Anyway, good to hear some strong points being made, maybe it's just me, maybe it's not so bad. But I feel like there are some holes the studios and Sony still need to plug. Take it easy all.

nhaase · 06-03-2007, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Blu As Hell

Or we could say that BB is not reordering HD DVDs because they're not selling and are trying to sell though their stock. Which is the case at my BB.

Yea, that's how it is. The comment of mine you quoted is what an ardent HDDVD fan would say of this situation, despite the evidence to the contrary (which I mentioned in the following paragraph).

GoldenRedux · 06-03-2007, 04:20 PM

Why do people always think consumers are completely devoid of any ability to reason whatsoever? First of all, on the point of cheap Toshiba players and people buying them up - who has been buying them up? Do you know what I've seen on these forums? People who already own HD DVD players 'buying them like hotcakes' and the oddball Blu-ray backer buying one to play a couple Universal titles he/she can't get now. That doesn't help to build market share at all - because it is still title sales that build market share. Selling cheap players to your installed base at a loss does nothing, but I digress - 'the consumer'.

What will 'the consumer' see? Cheap players from Toshiba. That's it. What about all the other brands? What if they don't like Toshiba? What if they want a Sony? Or a Samsung? Or a Pioneer? Or a Phillips? Or a Panasonic? Does no one think that 'the consumer' won't start to ask why he can't get an HD DVD player from his brand of choice, only a Blu-ray player? And then, the natural question that follows in one's mind is, why is it only Toshiba making those cheap HD DVD players anyway?

Then, they begin to notice that there seems to be more shelf space in the Best Buy/Circuit City/Wal-Mart/Target dedicated to the discs in the blue coloured boxes. Hmm?

zombieking · 06-03-2007, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by BorrowedTime

Actually, I really do wanna see the Star Wars films on Blu-ray, sooner rather than later. In particular the prequel trilogy. Yes, the movies sucked (in terms of plot, dialogue, and some over the top and/or wooden acting), but I do remember when they were being filmed how big a deal Lucas made about making use of the latest and greatest in digital technology. With that in mind, if nothing else, and the tech behind ILM, I imagine the digital transfer of those films will be nothing short of stunning. Imagine the opening sequence of "Revenge of the Sith" where Anakin and Obi-wan fly through the massive space battle over Coruscant, the Pod Race in "The Phantom Menace", and the climactic Droid/Clone battle in "Attack of the Clones" in High Definition.

I don't think the current dvds look all that great. The original movies look just as good,if not better.

ussrelativity · 06-03-2007, 04:27 PM

Once Fox gets rolling again, I expect that Season 1 of Stargate: Atlantis will be released on Blu-Ray. Back in 2006, it was on Sony's to-do list. With the switch to Fox for distribution by MGM, sooner or later we will see more titles, including more TV shows on Blu-Ray.

movies3 · 06-03-2007, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ussrelativity

Once Fox gets rolling again, I expect that Season 1 of Stargate: Atlantis will be released on Blu-Ray. Back in 2006, it was on Sony's to-do list. With the switch to Fox for distribution by MGM, sooner or later we will see more titles, including more TV shows on Blu-Ray.

i also expect to see mr and mrs smith

Helicon · 06-03-2007, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenRedux

Why do people always think consumers are completely devoid of any ability to reason whatsoever? First of all, on the point of cheap Toshiba players and people buying them up - who has been buying them up? Do you know what I've seen on these forums? People who already own HD DVD players 'buying them like hotcakes' and the oddball Blu-ray backer buying one to play a couple Universal titles he/she can't get now. That doesn't help to build market share at all - because it is still title sales that build market share. Selling cheap players to your installed base at a loss does nothing, but I digress - 'the consumer'.

What will 'the consumer' see? Cheap players from Toshiba. That's it. What about all the other brands? What if they don't like Toshiba? What if they want a Sony? Or a Samsung? Or a Pioneer? Or a Phillips? Or a Panasonic? Does no one think that 'the consumer' won't start to ask why he can't get an HD DVD player from his brand of choice, only a Blu-ray player? And then, the natural question that follows in one's mind is, why is it only Toshiba making those cheap HD DVD players anyway?

Then, they begin to notice that there seems to be more shelf space in the Best Buy/Circuit City/Wal-Mart/Target dedicated to the discs in the blue coloured boxes. Hmm?

I Agree completely. I often sounds like, that the average costumer is somebody who takes off the head before entering the store.

Wondermaker · 06-03-2007, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by JTK

Omg Blu Ray Isza Teh Domm#$ed!!!

OMGWTFBBQ!!!1!1!!one

*runs around in small circles*

Deciazulado · 06-03-2007, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by CYMBOL

My point is, with the studio support and computer support coming soon, this should be a landslide for Blu-ray, but if they don't step it up and match the competition by putting out new and exclusive products, we'll still be dealing with this format war 2 years from now and possibly losing.

Well that is not what you posted. You posted: Looking at hd digest's list (heh, btw, we have one too you know) Blu-ray is DEAD.

JTK · 06-03-2007, 04:41 PM

Apparently someone was inspired to edit the title of this thread to something more...appropriate.

EDIT:

*looks up above my post* Ah.

06-03-2007, 02:11 PM	#1
CYMBOL Blu-ray Knight Member since:May 2007 Location:I move around a lot. Blu-ray collection:8	Blu-ray is dead if we don't get new movies. Look at the release calendar over at highdefdigest.com for HD-DVD and then look at Blu-ray. Notice the massive amount of HD-DVD compared to big blue? Now look at the companies who are releasing and you will notice that Universal is releasing movies as fast as they can to create an avalanche. (I actually don't see any movies I would care to buy/upgrade. Most of the movies are "chick flicks" or pretty tame thrillers, no Jurassic Parks, etc). The problem is - Joe Consumer is going to walk into the store see a massive amount of HD-DVDs and think this must be the better choice. That's the genius behind the madness here. Fox and Disney need to get their heads out of their @sses, or this thing is over. Blu-ray can't win with only Sony releasing 75% of the movies. Between the lack of new PS3 exclusive titles and exclusive Blu-ray discs, and cheap HD-DVD players, currently Blu-ray doesn't look like a good buy. The studios better step-up soon and figure out their software/hardware problems and get some discs out. If anybody has websites/links were we can complain to the companies please post them, and then, people need to be vocal. The format war should be a no-brainer - Blu-ray, but these companies are going to lose it with their lack of support.

06-03-2007, 03:45 PM	#10
Helicon Active Member Member since:Jan 2007 Location:Denmark	Toshiba lowering it's price to $249 + 7 movies that's an admission of failure to my eyes. The titles from Universal are ...#¨ ''¤ bip bip biiib titles, they won't change anything. SONY, Samsung, Toshiba everybody is loosing money in the launch period. But Toshiba is loosing A LOT of money rigth now, if I where a shareholder I would not allow this to go on very long. If Toshiba lowering it's prices doesn't help, then the war is ower. The HD camp won't have any other cards left, and they will never reach the sales numbers of Blu-ray again. Last edited by Helicon; 06-03-2007 at 04:10 PM.*

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06-03-2007, 02:12 PM	#2
JTK Blu-ray Knight Member since:Jan 2006 Location:www.blurayoasis.com	Omg Blu Ray Isza Teh Domm#$ed!!!

06-03-2007, 03:07 PM	#5
DrinkMore Banned Member since:Apr 2007 Location:That's What She Said! Blu-ray collection:140 Blu-ray reviews:7 Trading Score:3	I really wish people would be quiet about Star Wars already. Im not a fan and I don't really care for it - but even I know that it is NOT GOING TO COME TO BLU-RAY ANYTIME IN THE NEAR FUTURE - so people really need to stop speaking about it. And no, Blu doesn't need to do anything right now. HD-DVD is sinking its own ship all by its lonesome just fine.

06-03-2007, 03:27 PM	#7
BorrowedTime Senior Member Member since:May 2007 Location:Calgary, Alberta, Canada	Actually, I really do wanna see the Star Wars films on Blu-ray, sooner rather than later. In particular the prequel trilogy. Yes, the movies sucked (in terms of plot, dialogue, and some over the top and/or wooden acting), but I do remember when they were being filmed how big a deal Lucas made about making use of the latest and greatest in digital technology. With that in mind, if nothing else, and the tech behind ILM, I imagine the digital transfer of those films will be nothing short of stunning. Imagine the opening sequence of "Revenge of the Sith" where Anakin and Obi-wan fly through the massive space battle over Coruscant, the Pod Race in "The Phantom Menace", and the climactic Droid/Clone battle in "Attack of the Clones" in High Definition.

06-03-2007, 03:28 PM	#8
nhaase Special Member Member since:Mar 2007 Trading Score:2	This thread lets me share a great sight with everyone. I went to BBuy yesterday, and in the regular DVD section they had equal shelving space for the two formats, but the Blu-ray section was fully stocked, w/ multiple copies of the biggest titles (POTC, Casino Royale, etc.). The HDDVD section only had about one or two copies each of any title, and some empty spots. So, you could say HDDVDs are selling so fast that they can't keep them fully stocked, and that BDs aren't selling, so they have so many extra copies. However, if you look at the way things are going in the big picture of this format war, it's pretty easy to conclude that BBuy is just giving HDDVD "lip service." This is further buttressed by the fact that out in the middle of a walkway they had a free-standing section of Blu-rays, with regular DVDs on the other side of that display. They've still got the two Blu-ray players hooked up to flat-panels, and no video displays of HDDVDs. Right behind one of the BD displays, they had the HD-A2 and the HD-A20 on the end of the shelf, stacked on top of each other! They don't want to make more room for HDDVD. It was great! So, in conclusion, who cares if Universal is releasing many titles. One, they have to be able to keep this up when BD+ and BD-J 1.1 are finalized, and therefore Fox releases titles and WB puts out their back titles. Two, even if they release them, people have to buy them. They can release every chick flick they want, but we all know the major demographic of these formats won't buy them. So let Universal waste money.

06-03-2007, 04:02 PM	#11
CYMBOL Blu-ray Knight Member since:May 2007 Location:I move around a lot. Blu-ray collection:8	I agree, the sky isn't falling . . . yet. All of you make valid points, but I really don't think the average consumer will research/compare and come to the same conclusion all of us did - Blu-ray is better. I think they will see more movies (yes, crappy Universal movies) but still, put cheap players with lots of bad movies, and yes, the general public will think they've made a good deal. Trust me, I agree with all your points. But this format war is not "in the can" and can be lost without some great titles on the calendar - don't think that some Best Buy kid who bought a HD-DVD isn't going to use that as a selling point to the average Joe. As for mentioning the PS3 games - I believe that is a valid point on my part. Most people buy the PS3 for games and (as I did) as a movie player; however, without some more titles (exclusive, otherwise their is no incentive to get the PS3) it is less of a selling point for the general public. My point is, with the studio support and computer support coming soon, this should be a landslide for Blu-ray, but if they don't step it up and match the competition by putting out new and exclusive products, we'll still be dealing with this format war 2 years from now and possibly losing. Anyway, good to hear some strong points being made, maybe it's just me, maybe it's not so bad. But I feel like there are some holes the studios and Sony still need to plug. Take it easy all.

06-03-2007, 04:20 PM	#13
GoldenRedux Power Member Member since:Sep 2006 Blu-ray reviews:1	Why do people always think consumers are completely devoid of any ability to reason whatsoever? First of all, on the point of cheap Toshiba players and people buying them up - who has been buying them up? Do you know what I've seen on these forums? People who already own HD DVD players 'buying them like hotcakes' and the oddball Blu-ray backer buying one to play a couple Universal titles he/she can't get now. That doesn't help to build market share at all - because it is still title sales that build market share. Selling cheap players to your installed base at a loss does nothing, but I digress - 'the consumer'. What will 'the consumer' see? Cheap players from Toshiba. That's it. What about all the other brands? What if they don't like Toshiba? What if they want a Sony? Or a Samsung? Or a Pioneer? Or a Phillips? Or a Panasonic? Does no one think that 'the consumer' won't start to ask why he can't get an HD DVD player from his brand of choice, only a Blu-ray player? And then, the natural question that follows in one's mind is, why is it only Toshiba making those cheap HD DVD players anyway? Then, they begin to notice that there seems to be more shelf space in the Best Buy/Circuit City/Wal-Mart/Target dedicated to the discs in the blue coloured boxes. Hmm?

06-03-2007, 04:27 PM	#15
ussrelativity Expert Member Member since:Jun 2007	Once Fox gets rolling again, I expect that Season 1 of Stargate: Atlantis will be released on Blu-Ray. Back in 2006, it was on Sony's to-do list. With the switch to Fox for distribution by MGM, sooner or later we will see more titles, including more TV shows on Blu-Ray.

06-03-2007, 04:41 PM	#20
JTK Blu-ray Knight Member since:Jan 2006 Location:www.blurayoasis.com	Apparently someone was inspired to edit the title of this thread to something more...appropriate. EDIT: looks up above my post Ah.

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