"Sony should remove the Blu-ray drive from the PS3" (new article) - Blu-ray Forum

HDTV1080P · 06-09-2007, 02:01 AM

Paul Sweeting over at Video Business magazine keeps writing new articles suggestioning that Sony should remove the BLU-RAY drive from the PS3 to make it cheaper.
http://www.videobusiness.com/article/CA6450511.html

Quote
“COULD IT be done? The biggest technical obstacle would be that all PS3 games right now are released only on Blu-ray discs, which would make them unplayable on the model that lacked such a drive.
But there’s no reason most current PS3 games need to be on a Blu-ray disc. Most would fit fine on a standard dual-layer DVD, and most third-party developers would be just as happy not to have to pay to replicate their games on Blu-ray.
Sony could always offer an outboard Blu-ray drive as an upgrade—as Microsoft does now with HD DVD and Xbox—when the games become too complex to fit on a DVD.”

The PS3 plays DVD’s already. Ok if there are any PS3 games 8.5GB or lower then Sony could release those games on a standard DVD to play in the PS3 game system as long as the bit rate of the games does not go over the DVD max bit rate of 10Mbit/s. Any PS3 game 8.5GB or lower should be placed on a DVD-ROM disc instead of a BD-ROM to save cost.
There are many games for the PS3 that are over 8.5GB and require a 25GB BD-ROM disc. So if the BLU-RAY drive was removed then the following games could not be played.

List of some PS3 games over 8.5GB that require a BLU-RAY disc

F1 (11.5 GB)
Formula One (8.90 GB)
Genji US (12.2GB)
Motor Storm US (14.48 GB)
Need For Speed Carbon (11.5 GB)

Resistance Fall of Man (17.53 GB)

MFS3Kiryu · 06-09-2007, 02:10 AM

I'm against removing the BD Drive and with all the graphics and gameplay upgrades we should see a year from now, it's becoming painfully obvious that DVD-9 won't be up to the task. I'm pretty sure Hideo Kojima of Metal Gear Solid has been asking about 100gig discs for MGS4 and has been stated as already breaking 50gigabytes on MGS4.

Banjo · 06-09-2007, 02:11 AM

That's a frickin' stupid suggestion. If it was to be removed, we can't play any of the PS3 games already out now because they're all on Blu-Ray.

Moron.

Musashi · 06-09-2007, 02:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Banjo

That's a frickin' stupid suggestion. If it was to be removed, we can't play any of the PS3 games already out now because they're all on Blu-Ray.

Moron.

Not to mention the games in development. Whoever wrote that article's a dunce.

Banjo · 06-09-2007, 02:15 AM

What people don't realize is that Blu-Ray drive will become as cheap as a DVD drive within a few years if it become more popular.

People are so afraid of changes.

JToddler · 06-09-2007, 02:22 AM

He is almost dictating Sony, a huge company with operations worldwide and several manufacturing sites, employing people in the thousands and that has been around for a long time, how to run its business affairs and strategies. Is Sony listening? NO WAY!!!!

haiku_aubade · 06-09-2007, 02:27 AM

what an idiot

dialog_gvf · 06-09-2007, 02:27 AM

How stupid. It only added $100 to the cost at the beginning. Now, it would be more like $50.

So, how many people does he think would rush out and buy a much less satisfying next-gen experience to save $50?!

Gary

MrBogey · 06-09-2007, 02:52 AM

You know what else we should do?

1. Remove the engine from cars.

As we all know weight reduces overall speed. By eliminating the engine the car would shed easily hundreds of pounds and gain a great deal of speed and power.

2. Remove the electron gun from a CRT

It's easily the most power hungry componenbt and the most likely to damage the eyes. By removing it we save energy and reduce eye strain.

3. Stop making hard drives standard

By having people use punchcards they don't have to worry about losing their data on a magnetic platter. Also they can access their data without turning on their computers. Saves electricity and is cheaper to manufacture.

jorg · 06-09-2007, 02:57 AM

i can see what he is saying hes saying for games uner 8.5 gigs use dvds but it not a good stratagy

maconomics · 06-09-2007, 03:20 AM

All the Sony/PS3/Blu-ray bashing is getting ridiculous ! If Sony had adopted an HD-DVD drive for the PS3 there would be no criticism.

ps3andlovinit · 06-09-2007, 03:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by haiku_aubade

what an idiot

If only he was...he knows exactly what he is doing. That's why he keeps writing this garbage over and over.

Maybe M$ should remove their Xbox Live service entirely since it's $50/year and that means $250 over 5 years - making the 360 more expensive than the PS3 - and that's before you start adding in the HD-DVD, controller charger, wireless access and failure rates.

Why isn't he talking about that? If he was so concerned about cost and his customers then it would be required of him wouldn't it?

Unless he has another agenda to spread FUD against blu-ray and the PS3.

WickyWoo · 06-09-2007, 03:40 AM

No, he doesn't know what he's doing. He only knows things from the retail side, and has no actual knowlege of anything outside of what is taking place outside of the storefronts

He rightly sees the BR drive as the most expensive single component of the PS3 (right now, it won't be in a few years)

But fails to understand that the BR drive is there to consolidate one disc for the world, to hold those massive pre-rendered CGI cutscenes the Japanese (specifically square) love, and most importantly as a copy protection measure to stop their games from being pirated, and so they can track them back to the factory that made them. The money they save by being able to crossship their game stock, stop piracy, plus movie royalties all make it a keeper.

I have no doubt that Microsoft will at some point reduce the cost of live, or eliminate the price entirely for multiplayer games once they start generating moolah with ads in all the games and once the division is nicely in profit.

Lord_Stewie · 06-09-2007, 03:52 AM

he is not asking sony to actually pull this off.

if you click on the link you will see why he is saying that. however, i think blu-ray is a necessary addition for the PS3, it is what is making the console superior to all others. and plus i enjoy watching my movies on HI DEF. so i disagree with the idea of removing blu-ray.

blurayforever143 · 06-09-2007, 04:22 AM

Ideas like these make me so angry. I swear, whoever wrote that outright idiocy must have a Wii stuck up their...

No, in all seriousness, anyone that can't afford the development costs of PS3 games and the Blu-Ray format can EASILY develop for PSTwo and still have a wide release. That's what people forget, you could easily develop for PSTwo and PSONe and have a market because the PS3 plays ALL three

However, I have a feeling studios are seeing the advantages of the Blu-Ray format. For one, how the hell do you pirate a game on Blu-Ray and actually profit? What do you do? Spend $1000 on a burner, then buy BDs at $15 and sell the game at $30 each, when people could buy the real thing for a just a little more money and no hacking or mods required?

Not only that, being able to run uncompressed textures and sound, fitting anything and everything on to one list, it's like having a whole wall to paint instead of just an 8x11 and that's what people don't understand. Games may be a business, but like art, the creators need the right tools to work with, and quite honestly, I'm pretty convinced DVD isn't the right tool at all.

More than anything though, sounds like a tool who wants to see a proven, reliable, and futureproof format fail. Why are critics and analyst hell bent on killing any sort of change and advance? SA-CD suffered the same exact fate, and so did Mini-Disc, even though both formats were WAY ahead of their time and had their unique advantages. Sit down at any demo at Circuit City, one TV playing King Kong on HD-DVD and one TV running looped store footage, the store footage looks better than the HD-DVD crap!

Blu Ray Forever, analysts can ***** and moan but give a year or two and the world will be blu all over.

outfdblue · 06-09-2007, 04:23 AM

So what is he asking for? For us to buy the $1000 blu-ray player so we could wacth a blu-ray. One of the reason i bought a ps3 was for blu-ray capabality. It's what makes it unique yeah it's a lil pricy but after a while it will surely go down in price. How about this...the new stranglehold special edition will include the movie "hard boiled" all in one disc. is that even possible to do on a dual dvd or even an hd-dvd without sacrificing quality or anything. I think developers enjoy blu-rays because they don't really have to worry on how much they can fit on one disc even now there are talks of 200 gig blu-ray why stay in the past with hd-dvd when the future is blu-ray. Im so happy i have a ps3 blu-ray included

inaz4sun · 06-09-2007, 04:26 AM

That guy is an idiot. The only reason I bought a PS3 is because it has a Blu-ray. I don't care about the games or to dumb down a system and have a piece of crap like an XBOX.

movies3 · 06-09-2007, 04:40 AM

he must work for microsoft...lol

Blu As Hell · 06-09-2007, 04:57 AM

Paul Sweeting should play Russian Roulette with a loaded gun...but he won't do it. So let's stop the Sony/Blu-Ray bashing please. You don't see us bashing Toshiba, and hell they're the ones that came up HD DVD!

Well I do bash them from time to time.

Chad Varnadore · 06-09-2007, 06:12 AM

Talk about your pointless meandering. I guess VBs editors are pretty useless. Sony dropping one of the key elements that makes the PS3 the forward thinking product it is, eight months after its launch, is about as likely as Chevy discontinuing truck sales, because more people that don't need a truck in the first place are currently buying small cars instead due to gas prices. That's why he's scraping the bottom, trying to find some new spin that nobody else has beat him to. If it were up to this kind of logic technology would evolve at an extremly slow pace. We'd still be watching VHS on 20-25" TVs.

06-09-2007, 02:01 AM	#1
HDTV1080P Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Jan 2007 Blu-ray reviews: 205	"Sony should remove the Blu-ray drive from the PS3" (new article) Paul Sweeting over at Video Business magazine keeps writing new articles suggestioning that Sony should remove the BLU-RAY drive from the PS3 to make it cheaper. http://www.videobusiness.com/article/CA6450511.html Quote “COULD IT be done? The biggest technical obstacle would be that all PS3 games right now are released only on Blu-ray discs, which would make them unplayable on the model that lacked such a drive. But there’s no reason most current PS3 games need to be on a Blu-ray disc. Most would fit fine on a standard dual-layer DVD, and most third-party developers would be just as happy not to have to pay to replicate their games on Blu-ray. Sony could always offer an outboard Blu-ray drive as an upgrade—as Microsoft does now with HD DVD and Xbox—when the games become too complex to fit on a DVD.” The PS3 plays DVD’s already. Ok if there are any PS3 games 8.5GB or lower then Sony could release those games on a standard DVD to play in the PS3 game system as long as the bit rate of the games does not go over the DVD max bit rate of 10Mbit/s. Any PS3 game 8.5GB or lower should be placed on a DVD-ROM disc instead of a BD-ROM to save cost. There are many games for the PS3 that are over 8.5GB and require a 25GB BD-ROM disc. So if the BLU-RAY drive was removed then the following games could not be played. List of some PS3 games over 8.5GB that require a BLU-RAY disc F1 (11.5 GB) Formula One (8.90 GB) Genji US (12.2GB) Motor Storm US (14.48 GB) Need For Speed Carbon (11.5 GB) Resistance Fall of Man (17.53 GB)

06-09-2007, 02:22 AM	#6
JToddler Active Member Member since:Oct 2006 Blu-ray reviews:1	He is almost dictating Sony, a huge company with operations worldwide and several manufacturing sites, employing people in the thousands and that has been around for a long time, how to run its business affairs and strategies. Is Sony listening? NO WAY!!!! Last edited by JToddler; 06-09-2007 at 02:41 AM.

06-09-2007, 03:40 AM	#13
WickyWoo Blu-ray Champion Member since:May 2007 Trading Score:2	No, he doesn't know what he's doing. He only knows things from the retail side, and has no actual knowlege of anything outside of what is taking place outside of the storefronts He rightly sees the BR drive as the most expensive single component of the PS3 (right now, it won't be in a few years) But fails to understand that the BR drive is there to consolidate one disc for the world, to hold those massive pre-rendered CGI cutscenes the Japanese (specifically square) love, and most importantly as a copy protection measure to stop their games from being pirated, and so they can track them back to the factory that made them. The money they save by being able to crossship their game stock, stop piracy, plus movie royalties all make it a keeper. I have no doubt that Microsoft will at some point reduce the cost of live, or eliminate the price entirely for multiplayer games once they start generating moolah with ads in all the games and once the division is nicely in profit. Last edited by WickyWoo; 06-09-2007 at 04:05 AM.

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06-09-2007, 02:10 AM	#2
MFS3Kiryu Active Member Member since:Dec 2006	I'm against removing the BD Drive and with all the graphics and gameplay upgrades we should see a year from now, it's becoming painfully obvious that DVD-9 won't be up to the task. I'm pretty sure Hideo Kojima of Metal Gear Solid has been asking about 100gig discs for MGS4 and has been stated as already breaking 50gigabytes on MGS4.

06-09-2007, 02:11 AM	#3
Banjo Blu-ray Guru Member since:Dec 2006 Location:Ontario, Canada Blu-ray collection:143	That's a frickin' stupid suggestion. If it was to be removed, we can't play any of the PS3 games already out now because they're all on Blu-Ray. Moron.

06-09-2007, 02:15 AM	#5
Banjo Blu-ray Guru Member since:Dec 2006 Location:Ontario, Canada Blu-ray collection:143	What people don't realize is that Blu-Ray drive will become as cheap as a DVD drive within a few years if it become more popular. People are so afraid of changes.

06-09-2007, 02:27 AM	#7
haiku_aubade Active Member Member since:May 2007 Location:alpha centauri	what an idiot

06-09-2007, 02:27 AM	#8
dialog_gvf Moderator Member since:Nov 2006 Location:Toronto Blu-ray collection:320	How stupid. It only added $100 to the cost at the beginning. Now, it would be more like $50. So, how many people does he think would rush out and buy a much less satisfying next-gen experience to save $50?! Gary

06-09-2007, 02:52 AM	#9
MrBogey Expert Member Member since:Jan 2007	You know what else we should do? 1. Remove the engine from cars. As we all know weight reduces overall speed. By eliminating the engine the car would shed easily hundreds of pounds and gain a great deal of speed and power. 2. Remove the electron gun from a CRT It's easily the most power hungry componenbt and the most likely to damage the eyes. By removing it we save energy and reduce eye strain. 3. Stop making hard drives standard By having people use punchcards they don't have to worry about losing their data on a magnetic platter. Also they can access their data without turning on their computers. Saves electricity and is cheaper to manufacture.

06-09-2007, 02:57 AM	#10
jorg Power Member Member since:Dec 2006 Location:Ontario, Canada Home Theater Gallery:2	i can see what he is saying hes saying for games uner 8.5 gigs use dvds but it not a good stratagy

06-09-2007, 03:20 AM	#11
maconomics Active Member Member since:Mar 2007	All the Sony/PS3/Blu-ray bashing is getting ridiculous ! If Sony had adopted an HD-DVD drive for the PS3 there would be no criticism.

06-09-2007, 03:52 AM	#14
Lord_Stewie Blu-ray Baron Member since:May 2007 Blu-ray collection:396 Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:1	he is not asking sony to actually pull this off. if you click on the link you will see why he is saying that. however, i think blu-ray is a necessary addition for the PS3, it is what is making the console superior to all others. and plus i enjoy watching my movies on HI DEF. so i disagree with the idea of removing blu-ray.

06-09-2007, 04:22 AM	#15
blurayforever143 Active Member Member since:Mar 2007 Trading Score:6	Ideas like these make me so angry. I swear, whoever wrote that outright idiocy must have a Wii stuck up their... No, in all seriousness, anyone that can't afford the development costs of PS3 games and the Blu-Ray format can EASILY develop for PSTwo and still have a wide release. That's what people forget, you could easily develop for PSTwo and PSONe and have a market because the PS3 plays ALL three However, I have a feeling studios are seeing the advantages of the Blu-Ray format. For one, how the hell do you pirate a game on Blu-Ray and actually profit? What do you do? Spend $1000 on a burner, then buy BDs at $15 and sell the game at $30 each, when people could buy the real thing for a just a little more money and no hacking or mods required? Not only that, being able to run uncompressed textures and sound, fitting anything and everything on to one list, it's like having a whole wall to paint instead of just an 8x11 and that's what people don't understand. Games may be a business, but like art, the creators need the right tools to work with, and quite honestly, I'm pretty convinced DVD isn't the right tool at all. More than anything though, sounds like a tool who wants to see a proven, reliable, and futureproof format fail. Why are critics and analyst hell bent on killing any sort of change and advance? SA-CD suffered the same exact fate, and so did Mini-Disc, even though both formats were WAY ahead of their time and had their unique advantages. Sit down at any demo at Circuit City, one TV playing King Kong on HD-DVD and one TV running looped store footage, the store footage looks better than the HD-DVD crap! Blu Ray Forever, analysts can ***** and moan but give a year or two and the world will be blu all over.

06-09-2007, 04:23 AM	#16
outfdblue Member Member since:Mar 2007 Location:dekalb, IL Blu-ray collection:33	So what is he asking for? For us to buy the $1000 blu-ray player so we could wacth a blu-ray. One of the reason i bought a ps3 was for blu-ray capabality. It's what makes it unique yeah it's a lil pricy but after a while it will surely go down in price. How about this...the new stranglehold special edition will include the movie "hard boiled" all in one disc. is that even possible to do on a dual dvd or even an hd-dvd without sacrificing quality or anything. I think developers enjoy blu-rays because they don't really have to worry on how much they can fit on one disc even now there are talks of 200 gig blu-ray why stay in the past with hd-dvd when the future is blu-ray. Im so happy i have a ps3 blu-ray included

06-09-2007, 04:26 AM	#17
inaz4sun Active Member Member since:Apr 2007	That guy is an idiot. The only reason I bought a PS3 is because it has a Blu-ray. I don't care about the games or to dumb down a system and have a piece of crap like an XBOX.

06-09-2007, 04:40 AM	#18
movies3 Blu-ray Guru Member since:Jul 2006 Location:KY Blu-ray collection:5 Blu-ray reviews:56	he must work for microsoft...lol

06-09-2007, 04:57 AM	#19
Blu As Hell Blu-ray Guru Member since:May 2007 Location:Macon Georgia 4K collection:120 Blu-ray collection:461 DVD collection:4 Blu-ray reviews: 1	Paul Sweeting should play Russian Roulette with a loaded gun...but he won't do it. So let's stop the Sony/Blu-Ray bashing please. You don't see us bashing Toshiba, and hell they're the ones that came up HD DVD! Well I do bash them from time to time.

06-09-2007, 06:12 AM	#20
Chad Varnadore Senior Member Member since:Aug 2006 Location:Salisbury, NC Home Theater Gallery:5 Blu-ray collection:349 Blu-ray reviews:19	Talk about your pointless meandering. I guess VBs editors are pretty useless. Sony dropping one of the key elements that makes the PS3 the forward thinking product it is, eight months after its launch, is about as likely as Chevy discontinuing truck sales, because more people that don't need a truck in the first place are currently buying small cars instead due to gas prices. That's why he's scraping the bottom, trying to find some new spin that nobody else has beat him to. If it were up to this kind of logic technology would evolve at an extremly slow pace. We'd still be watching VHS on 20-25" TVs.

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