4K Movies Releases

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Richard Paul

The NHK has made a proposal to add their HDR system to HEVC. As a relative luminance HDR system I think the NHK proposal is even better than the BBC proposal since it is very simple...

Not simple and not coming anytime soon (not to mention I don’t agree with Prof. Chalmers’ nomenclature definition of HDR, since, for practical purposes, the Red Dragon (a cutting edge camera actually used on motion picture productions) sensor only shows a tiny bit more than 16 visible stops of dynamic range, which is more than the high end Sonys, Arris and Red Epic), but alas, open standard two-stream HDR proposal is food for intellectual thought….

https://vicomtech.app.box.com/HDR-EBU-Slides

Attention Geoff, now that’s ^ a slide show fur ya . Different colored fonts, pretty pictures/graphs and reference to a long posted topic here…namely OpenEXR and ACES.

[Geoff D]

Ooooh! Pretty slides!

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Ooooh! Pretty slides!

Takes somebody from England and Spain to do up it right!

[Richard Paul]

Originally Posted by bailey1987

Very exciting, but how is any of this going to be ready for forth quarter 2015.

It might not have any effect on Ultra HD Blu-ray but I have heard some good arguments for a relative luminance HDR system. The problem with an absolute luminance HDR system (such as the Dolby HDR system) is that if they go for brightly lit room the average brightness might be 1000 nits (which Dolby has promoted in past marketing material). That leads to some far out ideas for absolute HDR systems such as having the HDR display dynamically change the room lighting depending on the brightness of the current video. In comparison the NHK proposal has a reference white level of 300 nits. As someone who has a light controlled room that sounds like a HDR system I could support.

[BozQ]

My reasons for preferring 24fps has nothing to do with resolution or budget costs or technical limitations.

It's because of the way motion is captured in 24fps vs 48fps or 60fps. The lack of motion blur in 48 or 60 is what takes me out of the movie. However fascinating the visuals are, it made me feel like I'm watching a television programme more than a movie. The sense of escapism is lost in that aspect.

It's the same feeling I had when movies started making the transition from film to digital. I wasn't used to digital at first, because it looked too perfect without the film grain, scratches and wobble.

It's the little imperfections of watching a film that makes the movie watching experience an comforting and enjoyable, rather than an unsettling and distracting one.

[Falaskan]

Originally Posted by BozQ

My reasons for preferring 24fps has nothing to do with resolution or budget costs or technical limitations.

It's because of the way motion is captured in 24fps vs 48fps or 60fps. The lack of motion blur in 48 or 60 is what takes me out of the movie. However fascinating the visuals are, it made me feel like I'm watching a television programme more than a movie. The sense of escapism is lost in that aspect.

It's the same feeling I had when movies started making the transition from film to digital. I wasn't used to digital at first, because it looked too perfect without the film grain, scratches and wobble.

It's the little imperfections of watching a film that makes the movie watching experience an comforting and enjoyable, rather than an unsettling and distracting one.

I have a few friends that don't care about HD to this day because some of the movie magic is lost. I know what they mean a little. However I now prefer HD.

I don't think I'll ever come around to 48fps tho. I hate the lack of motion blur like none other!

[BozQ]

Don't get me wrong. I don't hate HFR. I am open to it. I don't mind the occasional big budget movie like The Hobbit and Avatar that wants to experiment and explore HFR 3D. As long as it's niche and not the new de facto standard.

Along the years, we definitely had many enhancements in the movie making and watching experience, but I personally find HFR 3D to be the most difficult to adapt to. But I'm not worried about this anyway. This is not likely to happen in a very long time.

[Spike M.]

Originally Posted by Falaskan

I have a few friends that don't care about HD to this day because some of the movie magic is lost. I know what they mean a little. However I now prefer HD.

I don't think I'll ever come around to 48fps tho. I hate the lack of motion blur like none other!

Your friends must've never seen a movie in a theater, then.

Or they had only watched HD content on a screen with a high hz rate or that motion blur nonsense on, which is certainly what caused a good portion of my friends to reject HD when it was becoming popular.

[Penton-Man]

Heads-up all you Bay area (Northern Cal) real science men and women:

Human Vision and Electronic Imaging XX coming up Feb.9 - 12….http://spie.org/EI/conferencedetails...tronic-imaging

When I receive it, I’ll post a viable link to a nicely written paper upon which one of the presentations is based in which the investigators evaluated both luminance and chrominance encoding to determine the minimum bit-depth required. Because, even if you question or don’t understand all their findings, I’m told it provides a nicely detailed basic background as to many of the advanced imaging parameters we’ve (now, for well over a year) been discussing here in piecemeal fashion in hurried socialized postings.

P.S.
During the same timeline (2nd week in Feb.), as an alternative for the Southern Cal folks… we get to be annually enlightened (https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...pa#post9356437 ) in the desert, which is where, yet again, my wife and I will be.

This year’s HPA Tech Retreat program, I think has a little of everything to satisfy everyone’s interests…http://hollywoodpostalliance.org/?page_id=31461

[Richard Paul]

Movielabs have made a few proposals at the current HEVC meeting. One proposal was basically a potshot at the NHK HDR system for how they described the purpose of a transfer function. Not surprising since the companies involved in Movielabs are supporters of the Dolby HDR system but it will be amusing if they do this every time a new HDR system is proposed for HEVC.

Movielabs also released a proposal for light level metadata which was previously mentioned in the Panasonic slides about Ultra HD Blu-ray. The MaxFALL metadata describes the maximum average light level while the MaxCLL metadata describes the maximum peak light level. The metadata would make no difference in how the video is encoded but it might be useful for video processing.

[dvdmike]

HDR is holding the launch back I feel

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Heads-up all you Bay area (Northern Cal) real science men and women:

Human Vision and Electronic Imaging XX coming up Feb.9 - 12….http://spie.org/EI/conferencedetails...tronic-imaging

When I receive it, I’ll post a viable link to a nicely written paper...

http://pages.bangor.ac.uk/~eesa0c/pd...colorspace.pdf

^ There’ll be a quiz after the Super Bowl and The Blacklist

[Penton-Man]

P.S.
I kid, I kid, no quiz. Enjoy the complete day . For me, first Arsenal in the Prem, then the Seahawks in the NFL.

[bailey1987]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

P.S.
I kid, I kid, no quiz. Enjoy the complete day . For me, first Arsenal in the Prem, then the Seahawks in the NFL.

The trailer for Jurassic World is all I'm waiting for. What time does the super bowl kick off? Is it viewable in the UK? If not the I will be sat here refreshing pages until it's available.

[jono3000]

Originally Posted by bailey1987

The trailer for Jurassic World is all I'm waiting for. What time does the super bowl kick off? Is it viewable in the UK? If not the I will be sat here refreshing pages until it's available.

Channel 4 HD 22.30-03.30

[Geoff D]

I'm watching the pre-game now, I love that the presenters keep taking the piss about having to fill all these hours before they actually get to the game. Fingers crossed that Katy Perry has a 'wardrobe malfunction' at half time.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I'm watching the pre-game now, I love that the presenters keep taking the piss about having to fill all these hours before they actually get to the game. Fingers crossed that Katy Perry has a 'wardrobe malfunction' at half time.

The game all day thing is silly

[Geoff D]

I don't know if you just mean the NFL or sport in general, as I remember the time when we did a similar thing over here on FA Cup final day, when winning that grand old trophy actually meant something. Good times.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I don't know if you just mean the NFL or sport in general, as I remember the time when we did a similar thing over here on FA Cup final day, when winning that grand old trophy actually meant something. Good times.

A little from column A....

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I'm watching the pre-game now, I love that the presenters keep taking the piss about having to fill all these hours before they actually get to the game. Fingers crossed that Katy Perry has a 'wardrobe malfunction' at half time.

Would that be an aesthetic benefit of 4K capture, not elucidated here…“there’s a number of benefits, both aesthetic and technical, in capturing the game in 4K”, Goss said. – http://www.tvtechnology.com/news/008....0sneK0yE.dpuf