Samsung 4K UHD Blu-ray Player UBD-K8500 - Page 66 - Blu-ray Forum

bruceames · 02-13-2016, 05:14 PM

Good to know, Robert! I've grown tired of a few people that continue to drone on "wait until 8K comes along, it will be a revolutionary upgrade. 4K is only evolutionary", and your comments seem to indicate if anything the opposite.

dvdmike · 02-13-2016, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

Whenever 8K comes to the mass market it will still use the same HDR, WCG and PQ. Hopefully the panels will be 12-bit, but nothing in the 8K signal will require a new change in the TV system standards, other than the resolution.

The new 2016 TV standards are set for the next 20 - 30 years.

-Robert

8k won't be a home format in the true sence

Rocklandsboy · 02-13-2016, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by bruceames.

Good to know, Robert! I've grown tired of a few people that continue to drone on "wait until 8K comes along, it will be a revolutionary upgrade. 4K is only evolutionary", and your comments seem to indicate if anything the opposite.

SD to HD was the only "revolutionary" upgrade IMHO. Everything else will be "evolutionary" until a whole new TV format comes along.

montyb · 02-13-2016, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Mavrick

I fail to see how this would be the last physical format.

The internet simply couldn't handle the stress if every last bit of media went online only. There's always going to be a demand for physical media no matter how niche it is and as long as that demand is there someone is going to be around to profit from it.

I bet people said the exact same thing about vinyl and that's selling more today than it has done in the last 10+years. They said CDs were on the way out, yet I see no sign of it going anywhere soon.

Maybe if compression becomes good enough to match the quality of physical media I could see streaming taking over, but ISPs need to come a long way in terms of data caps and throttling before we can take on an all digital consumption environment.

Streaming will always be crap compared to physical media. Even with high internet speeds the compression in streaming ruins what could be a beautiful picture. I have even noticed blocking in the blacks streaming 4K material on Amazon, Netflix and Vudu. And Vudu needs to gets its act together because the ONLY way we can get 4K from them is through Roku 4 (seems our UHD TVs and UHD blu ray players are pushing 1080p on Vudu app). Give me physical media anyday over streaming because I am one finicky videophile wanting my images to look their best.

scorpiontail60 · 02-13-2016, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by saprano

What am i reading? Why in the world would you use zoom, making the picture worse, and destroying the intended look of the movie?

lol you're talking to the crazy guy who thinks HDR is the best thing since sliced bread instead of a marginal technology improvement.

docmike · 02-13-2016, 07:57 PM

I just find the very large letterbox kind of distracting. No need for an uproar from the peanut gallery. It's personal preference....

Five Inches · 02-13-2016, 08:19 PM

Ye olde pan & scam, eh?

elwaylite · 02-13-2016, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by docmike

I just find the very large letterbox kind of distracting. No need for an uproar from the peanut gallery. It's personal preference....

If you get the right display and watch in a dark room there is no letterbox.

Ruined · 02-13-2016, 08:33 PM

Looking at AVSFORUM it looks like this player has all sorts of major video quality glitches, especially in the advanced video features. Further, it apparently does not work with IR blasters as it uses some proprietary IR coding. A lot of people returning and waiting for Panasonic.

elwaylite · 02-13-2016, 08:36 PM

Lot of deep color confusion too.

JJ · 02-13-2016, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by elwaylite

If you get the right display and watch in a dark room there is no letterbox.

This is something only a plasma/OLED/dedicated theater room + quality screen/projector combo user could appreciate.

I am neither. Although I used to be 2 out of the 3.

But I'd never zoom in...blasphemy!

Geoff D · 02-13-2016, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by elwaylite

Lot of deep color confusion too.

That I'm not surprised at!

elwaylite · 02-13-2016, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Geoff D

That I'm not surprised at!

A guy with a Marantz posted the info screen, which I use a lot to see what is exactly coming in.

Blu-ray
Deep color off 8 bits
Deep color on 12 bits

UHD
Deep color off 10 bits
Deep color on 12 bits

This is exactly as I would expect. And Deep Color should not have to be on with a UHD disc for HDR and WCG.

Robert Zohn · 02-13-2016, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by scorpiontail60

lol you're talking to the crazy guy who thinks HDR is the best thing since sliced bread instead of a marginal technology improvement.

HDR always comes with WCG and 10-bit pass-through and PQ "gamma." HDR is a very big upgrade to 4K image performance.

HDR with all of its additional accompanying upgrades is a very significant advancement and is a complete redesign of the TV system.

-Robert

dvdmike · 02-13-2016, 09:05 PM

Oh my

elwaylite · 02-13-2016, 09:07 PM

Robert has a background in broadcast IIRC, prob best to pay attention.

dvdmike · 02-13-2016, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by elwaylite

Robert has a background in broadcast IIRC, prob best to pay attention.

I don't make sweeping statements towards or against anyone no matter their background
But the hyperbolic nature of that post was strong.

HDR is a grading choice not everyone will adopt and will not suit all content

Geoff D · 02-13-2016, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by elwaylite

A guy with a Marantz posted the info screen, which I use a lot to see what is exactly coming in.

Blu-ray
Deep color off 8 bits
Deep color on 12 bits

UHD
Deep color off 10 bits
Deep color on 12 bits

This is exactly as I would expect. And Deep Color should not have to be on with a UHD disc for HDR and WCG.

Yep, that's exactly as I'd expect too as regular Blu is 8-bit and UHD Blu is 10-bit. It sounds as if when they're using Deep Colour with UHD that the player is completely screwing the remapping to 12-bit. Not surprising really, given how up in the air some of these standards still are.

montyb · 02-13-2016, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by elwaylite

If you get the right display and watch in a dark room there is no letterbox.

You cannot take away the fact that the black bands make the image smaller. That's why I feel films framed at 1.78 are bigger and badder than the smaller 2.35 image (plus 3D looks more immersive in 1.78. Look at James Cameron's Avatar and Titanic in 1.85 without much cropping from the sides). The BIGGER the image, the better 4K looks!

docmike · 02-13-2016, 09:22 PM

I don't think the problem is my 78" js9500. I wish they packaged exodus 3d bd w the 4k. What is point of having 4k and bd?

02-13-2016, 05:14 PM	#1301
bruceames Blu-ray Knight Top contributor Member since:Nov 2012 Location:Novato, CA 4K collection:15 Blu-ray collection:1337 DVD collection:2 Trading Score:1	Good to know, Robert! I've grown tired of a few people that continue to drone on "wait until 8K comes along, it will be a revolutionary upgrade. 4K is only evolutionary", and your comments seem to indicate if anything the opposite.

02-13-2016, 07:57 PM	#1306
docmike Member Member since:Feb 2016	I just find the very large letterbox kind of distracting. No need for an uproar from the peanut gallery. It's personal preference....

02-13-2016, 08:19 PM	#1307
Five Inches Member Member since:Apr 2011 Location:Sweden 4K collection:- Blu-ray collection:-	Ye olde pan & scam, eh?

02-13-2016, 08:33 PM	#1309
Ruined Blu-ray Baron Top contributor Member since:Sep 2009 Blu-ray collection:1 Trading Score:1	Looking at AVSFORUM it looks like this player has all sorts of major video quality glitches, especially in the advanced video features. Further, it apparently does not work with IR blasters as it uses some proprietary IR coding. A lot of people returning and waiting for Panasonic.

02-13-2016, 08:36 PM	#1310
elwaylite Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Mar 2007	Lot of deep color confusion too.

02-13-2016, 09:05 PM	#1315
dvdmike Banned Member since:Jun 2010 Blu-ray collection:1069	Oh my

02-13-2016, 09:07 PM	#1316
elwaylite Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Mar 2007	Robert has a background in broadcast IIRC, prob best to pay attention.

02-13-2016, 09:22 PM	#1320
docmike Member Member since:Feb 2016	I don't think the problem is my 78" js9500. I wish they packaged exodus 3d bd w the 4k. What is point of having 4k and bd?

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