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Old 04-25-2017, 04:32 PM   #1
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I've had my Axiom M22ti's And VP150 for a long long time. I think its time for a change!
I've been looking at B&W for an upgrade path, but am wondering what the starting point would be knowing that the M22ti v1 or possibly v2 is where I am at today. They are being driven by a Marantz 6008, thats about to become a 6011 because of my 4k help 2.2 issue.
Does anyone have any suggestions based off the sound I have now with the Axioms? My QS8 is having issues as well so I'll eventually be replacing those as well! My goal is to get a Atmos setup going!
Thanks for your time!
I'd also add I'm in an apartment but kind of want floor speakers. The area is about 11x13

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I've had my Axiom M22ti's And VP150 for a long long time. I think its time for a change!
I've been looking at B&W for an upgrade path, but am wondering what the starting point would be knowing that the M22ti v1 or possibly v2 is where I am at today. They are being driven by a Marantz 6008, thats about to become a 6011 because of my 4k help 2.2 issue.
Does anyone have any suggestions based off the sound I have now with the Axioms? My QS8 is having issues as well so I'll eventually be replacing those as well! My goal is to get a Atmos setup going!
Thanks for your time!
I'd also add I'm in an apartment but kind of want floor speakers. The area is about 11x13
What about Bryston Speakers, they are made By Axiom to Bryston Specs and you would fine quite some similarities between the 2 except Bryston has more refinements.
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Old 04-27-2017, 05:06 PM   #3
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I've had my Axiom M22ti's And VP150 for a long long time. I think its time for a change!
I've been looking at B&W for an upgrade path, but am wondering what the starting point would be knowing that the M22ti v1 or possibly v2 is where I am at today. They are being driven by a Marantz 6008, thats about to become a 6011 because of my 4k help 2.2 issue.
Does anyone have any suggestions based off the sound I have now with the Axioms? My QS8 is having issues as well so I'll eventually be replacing those as well! My goal is to get a Atmos setup going!
Thanks for your time!
I'd also add I'm in an apartment but kind of want floor speakers. The area is about 11x13
can you elaborate on the "issues" your having with the QS8's. how long have you had your axiom speakers? 11 x 13 is not a big area so it shouldn't take much to get some good pressurization to fill that space.

how are the current speakers "not" meeting your needs and when did you determine they weren't? or do you just want a change?

also, how loudly do you listen to your speakers? again, small to medium space + apartment living means unless you know or want to know the cops by name you can't have it too loud!

I'm just curious and also, those answers will help people give you better responses understanding the what/why about your situation.
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What about Bryston Speakers, they are made By Axiom to Bryston Specs and you would fine quite some similarities between the 2 except Bryston has more refinements.

I'll take a look!

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can you elaborate on the "issues" your having with the QS8's. how long have you had your axiom speakers? 11 x 13 is not a big area so it shouldn't take much to get some good pressurization to fill that space.

how are the current speakers "not" meeting your needs and when did you determine they weren't? or do you just want a change?

also, how loudly do you listen to your speakers? again, small to medium space + apartment living means unless you know or want to know the cops by name you can't have it too loud!

I'm just curious and also, those answers will help people give you better responses understanding the what/why about your situation.

The QS8 sounds blown, and doesn't get as loud as the other. It sounds almost reversed and i switched sides and the issue persisted. Support suggested maybe the speaker needed the leads switched so i did that and the issue persisted. I reset the receiver and tried it on another receiver and the issue persist. Not under warranty so I don't Really feel like purchasing the same speaker.
I've had the same set of speakers for about 15 years I'd say I listen to my speakers slightly loud on the weekends during the day for about 1 film, My downstairs neighbor (I live in a 2 family unit) is gone during this time so It doesn't really matter. I wouldn't go that loud when people are home or trying to sleep.
After 15-16 years I'd like a change. They sound OK but I am looking for something that would be versatile with Movies and Electronic music. (EBM Synthpop and whatnot) and a lot of 80's and some various other rock/80's pop
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Old 04-30-2017, 07:19 PM   #6
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I was thinking around the 1500 range, with used not being out of the question. Was going to look at some B&W choices for mains.I'm going to head to bestbuy for a listen to those ML's!

I also heard about some Crossover upgrades for the M22s I might look into!
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I was thinking around the 1500 range, with used not being out of the question. Was going to look at some B&W choices for mains.I'm going to head to bestbuy for a listen to those ML's!

I also heard about some Crossover upgrades for the M22s I might look into!
You could also go with some Brand new Axiom speakers.
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Old 05-03-2017, 03:46 AM   #9
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I was thinking around the 1500 range, with used not being out of the question. Was going to look at some B&W choices for mains.I'm going to head to bestbuy for a listen to those ML's!

I also heard about some Crossover upgrades for the M22s I might look into!
Keep us posted! If you are looking for ML's I'd search on the used market, and possibly save around 50% right off the bat...

Below is just an example, I bet this guy would consider a $1700 - $2000 offer. But in return,...you are getting a great pair of speakers which can be utilized in the long run. Then again, I've never owned any ML gear, but have heard their top end stuff.....super transparent and detailed...good luck on your search!

https://www.audiogon.com/listings/pl...5-cleveland-oh
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Personally I would wait until I get a house first before I do any upgrading, especially to Dolby Atmos, then you can play your sound system as loud as you want, without worrying about disturbing your neighbors, and getting complaints from them. When you're spending good money on a good sound system, you want to have the freedom to enjoy it without any restrictions. If you do decide to get ceiling speakers, you will need to get permission from the manager to install ceiling speakers because, they may not want the tenant to make any room modifications to their property and drill large holes on the ceiling for speakers. Management may consent to it or they may not. Also you need to take into consideration is that, if you decide to move, then you will be required to repair and restore the ceiling back to it's original condition after you remove the speakers, and if you don't, you will lose your security deposit. Consult the manager first before you do anything.

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I'll take a look!




The QS8 sounds blown, and doesn't get as loud as the other. It sounds almost reversed and i switched sides and the issue persisted. Support suggested maybe the speaker needed the leads switched so i did that and the issue persisted. I reset the receiver and tried it on another receiver and the issue persist. Not under warranty so I don't Really feel like purchasing the same speaker.
I've had the same set of speakers for about 15 years I'd say I listen to my speakers slightly loud on the weekends during the day for about 1 film, My downstairs neighbor (I live in a 2 family unit) is gone during this time so It doesn't really matter. I wouldn't go that loud when people are home or trying to sleep.
After 15-16 years I'd like a change.
They sound OK but I am looking for something that would be versatile with Movies and Electronic music. (EBM Synthpop and whatnot) and a lot of 80's and some various other rock/80's pop

Sounds like you don't need your own home right now to get high grade speakers...especially if you have an opportunity to crank up the tunes during the day when your neighbor is out. But if you really want atmos in an apartment, then what slimdude suggested about the ceiling is a great point.

I standby my recommendation.....Go with a really good 2 channel setup for now, you'll be amazed at the improvement, especially for music....oh my,..

keep us in the loop...and no need to rush on anything, take your time...
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I will keep everyone posted! I'll be heading to a showroom Saturday!
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I'm with Slimdude, and Krelldog1977 on this one . Until you get a house, I would not purchase elaborate speaker's, and holding off on the ATMOS set up. If you can afford the high end speaker's, and the ATMOS module's, that's great . It would be terrible to not be able to crank up great quality speaker's when you want to .
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can you elaborate on the "issues" your having with the QS8's. how long have you had your axiom speakers? 11 x 13 is not a big area so it shouldn't take much to get some good pressurization to fill that space.
I'm in full agreement here

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how are the current speakers "not" meeting your needs and when did you determine they weren't? or do you just want a change?
Excellent questions SunnyDee!!!!!!!!!!

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also, how loudly do you listen to your speakers? again, small to medium space + apartment living means unless you know or want to know the cops by name you can't have it too loud!
A trusty SPL meter or app would come in handy for that question ...........

And SunnyDee!!!!!!!!!!!

One can live in an apartment, have a kicking system and avoid the police .................. I'm living proof *

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[Show spoiler]Although the system I have in the room his size 11 x 13 (my office) has a smaller but effective system .........


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Indeed they will

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Personally I would wait until I get a house first before I do any upgrading, especially to Dolby Atmos, then you can play your sound system as loud as you want, without worrying about disturbing your neighbors, and getting complaints from them. When you're spending good money on a good sound system, you want to have the freedom to enjoy it without any restrictions. If you do decide to get ceiling speakers, you will need to get permission from the manager to install ceiling speakers because, they may not want the tenant to make any room modifications to their property and drill large holes on the ceiling for speakers. Management may consent to it or they may not. Also you need to take into consideration is that, if you decide to move, then you will be required to repair and restore the ceiling back to it's original condition after you remove the speakers, and if you don't, you will lose your security deposit. Consult the manager first before you do anything.
I REALLY don't see what home ownership has to do with a obtaining a great home theater system
[Show spoiler](outside of the word home )
although what you said about mounting ceiling speakers can come into play...

But I truly believe a room that small couldn't support an ATMOS system anyway ...... Well maybe a 5.1.2 configuration

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Sounds like you don't need your own home right now to get high grade speakers...especially if you have an opportunity to crank up the tunes during the day when your neighbor is out. But if you really want atmos in an apartment, then what slimdude suggested about the ceiling is a great point.
I really wonder why people want to fill small rooms with a lot of speakers.

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I standby my recommendation.....Go with a really good 2 channel setup for now, you'll be amazed at the improvement, especially for music....oh my,..
That's a idea ............... yet his room could support a 5.1 system for surround duties

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Yes ................... I'm dying to find out what you decide

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I will keep everyone posted! I'll be heading to a showroom Saturday!
I'm looking forward to your report

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I'm with Slimdude, and Krelldog1977 on this one . Until you get a house, I would not purchase elaborate speaker's, and holding off on the ATMOS set up. If you can afford the high end speaker's, and the ATMOS module's, that's great . It would be terrible to not be able to crank up great quality speaker's when you want to .
Personally .................... I don't see home ownership and nice home theater systems as mutually exclusive ...........

Why do you need a house ?......... Unless you're building a dedicated theater ...... I have three systems in my apartment that function quite well
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I'm with Slimdude, and Krelldog1977 on this one . Until you get a house, I would not purchase elaborate speaker's, and holding off on the ATMOS set up. If you can afford the high end speaker's, and the ATMOS module's, that's great . It would be terrible to not be able to crank up great quality speaker's when you want to .
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Personally .................... I don't see home ownership and nice home theater systems as mutually exclusive ...........

Why do you need a house ?......... Unless you're building a dedicated theater ...... I have three systems in my apartment that function quite well
Well some landlords can be pretty tough on renters. If you are going to put up a HT with mounted speakers/Atmos - you will need to make sure everything is like it was when you moved in. My brother moved into a place and before we put one stick in it - I told him to take pictures of everything - wall plates, any picture holes that may be in the walls already. You have some people that will try to get over on you. I had an awesome landlord (I eventually bought the house from him). You don't find many like the one I had, but there are some things I wanted to do but didn't because I didn't own the house yet.
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Well some landlords can be pretty tough on renters. If you are going to put up a HT with mounted speakers/Atmos - you will need to make sure everything is like it was when you moved in. My brother moved into a place and before we put one stick in it - I told him to take pictures of everything - wall plates, any picture holes that may be in the walls already. You have some people that will try to get over on you. I had an awesome landlord (I eventually bought the house from him). You don't find many like the one I had, but there are some things I wanted to do but didn't because I didn't own the house yet.
I see your point ......................

I guess living in a hi-rise building gives me an advantage ................
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