HDR Discussion Thread

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by DanBa

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/road-...eri-geutskens/

From ^ , “With increasing spatial resolution, the risk of motion blur increases as well. The cure for this is further raising the temporal resolution to 100 / 120 fps. This is what’s called HFR.”

It’s barely a cure for 8K, as to that, for a deeper dive into the concept and practicality from a cinematographic perspective, see - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...t#post14544289

Also from that linkedin reporter's article….”It is estimated that a doubling of frame rate leads to a 50% increase in bandwidth for the compressed video signal – so not 100% – because compression efficiency increases with the frame rate.”

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As modern solutions actually need less than a 50% bandwidth increase of the compressed signal.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

b.t.w., ICtCp with SMPTE ST 2084 was formerly known as IPT-PQ….
https://github-production-repository...zip-compressed

In case that ^ link didn’t go thru for all folks and require documentation as to the proposal, first pages -

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by DanBa

HFR

Although Red Bull Media House is often at the cutting edge of capture and finishing, for example, in an exclusive past response to Kris Deering (given the cursory tech info listed on imdb - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2872570/...ef_=tt_dt_spec )
….
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...d#post10107534

This spring, I’d really like to see North of Nightfall in HFR and HDR…..

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But alas, it’s just too early for that sort of thing to happen.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by DanBa

HFR among others
via broadcasting....

One step(over) ahead, for Steed for when he returns from Holiday…

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Originally Posted by Penton-Man

5.14.5.5 High Frame Rates

5.14.5.5.1 General

The present clause extends clause 5.14.1.7. All specifications in clause 5.14.1.7 shall apply.
Encoding: The frame rate for progressive material shall be 24 000/1 001, 24, 25, 30 000/1 001, 30, 50, 60
000/1 001, 60, 100, 120 000/1 001 or 120 Hz for all allowed luminance resolutions.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Regarding the phrase bolded above ^

From a post made about a year ago -

Does anyone know/remember the answer?

Answer:
Those test samples that involved a combination of the greatest camera motion (panning) as well as object motion. Meaning that HFR acquisition and presentation will most benefit clarity of imagery like a soccer or football player running down the field covered with a camera pan, etc. Add in HDR especially when there are stadium shadows over a portion of the field and the upgrade in PQ is exquisite.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by BrownianMotion

Absolutely horrific movie. Truly an abomination.....

Regardless, personally as a longtime shareholder, worked for me …..
http://variety.com/2018/digital/news...el-1202652489/

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

Are there any recent HDR demos similar to Meridian which really showcase the implementation of HDR/HFR?

Rocky, sorry I missed your post.
Not recent, but EBU -
https://sso.ebu.ch/auth/XUI/#/login/...&AMAuthCookie=

Has short samples for member organizations, e.g.



Other more recent material is more proprietary at this point (needing permissions) and not publicly available.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

Sell some of that Netflix stock and buy an LG

For the record, I did purchase one (and, for that matter, a couple Sonys…an LCD/LED and an OLED), but still held onto all my shares.

[DanBa]

HDR10plus gets a logo, Warner Bros Home Entertainment joins HDR10+ Alliance.
https://twitter.com/UHD4k/status/949304854941446144

[BrownJerry]

Originally Posted by DanBa

HDR10plus gets a logo, Warner Bros Home Entertainment joins HDR10+ Alliance.
https://twitter.com/UHD4k/status/949304854941446144

Yay good news for my second set.. Samsung tv and Panasonic player..

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by DanBa

HDR10plus gets a logo, Warner Bros Home Entertainment joins HDR10+ Alliance.

Good 'ol Warner.
Playing both sides like they did with HD DVD.

You won't be able to have releases with both HDR formats though. One or the other.

[HeatEquation]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Good 'ol Warner.
Playing both sides like they did with HD DVD.

You won't be able to have releases with both HDR formats though. One or the other.

So much for "Fox will be the only studio to support HDR10+."



Also, from the press release:

In addition, Ultra HD Blu-ray metadata generation tools have been developed with third parties and will soon be available for content creators enabling Ultra HD Blu-ray players to enter the market. Details on the content transfer and interface format for the content creation pipeline will also be released shortly.

[RockyIII]

yawn

[PaulGo]

Originally Posted by DanBa

HDR10plus gets a logo, Warner Bros Home Entertainment joins HDR10+ Alliance.
https://twitter.com/UHD4k/status/949304854941446144

Two things will drive the adoption of HDR10+ - the cost of licensing (free) and the cost of hardware to implement HDR10+. I assume the hardware requirements of HDR10+ is lower since Samsung was able to apply it to some of their older sets.

[HeatEquation]

Originally Posted by PaulGo

Two things will drive the adoption of HDR10+ - the cost of licensing (free) and the cost of hardware to implement HDR10+. I assume the hardware requirements of HDR10+ is lower since Samsung was able to apply it to some of their older sets.

Also, since Disney bought Fox, we know they will also be supporting HDR10+ now. This is why Disney never jumped on the DV-on-disc bandwagon.

Things are looking great for the superior format.

[HeatEquation]

Warner Brothers' statement is interesting:

Warner Bros. Home Entertainment will support HDR10+ to enable a dynamic metadata solution for Warner Bros. content to Samsung, Panasonic and other HDR10+ capable 4K HDR TVs. “Warner Bros. has always strived to provide the best next gen home entertainment experience to consumers,” said Jim Wuthrich, President of the Americas and Global Strategy, Warner Bros. Home Entertainment. “With HDR10+ dynamic metadata, WB can continue to more accurately bring the filmmakers’ vision of our 2018 releases and our vast catalog of over seventy-five 4K HDR titles to the home across a broad range of HDR10+ capable TV’s.”

So their 2018 releases will contain HDR10+, but it looks like they might be planning to re-release some of their current content in HDR10+ as well.

[gkolb]

Originally Posted by HeatEquation

Also, since Disney bought Fox, we know they will also be supporting HDR10+ now. This is why Disney never jumped on the DV-on-disc bandwagon.

Things are looking great for the superior format.

Hmm, where's the Disney press release for that claim?

The Disney/ Fox matters haven't been ironed out yet, so nobody but an insider currently has any info about HDR10+ or Fox or Disney.

Oh, and welcome back.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by HeatEquation

Warner Brothers' statement is interesting:
"With HDR10+ dynamic metadata, WB can continue to more accurately bring the filmmakers’ vision...."

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Plus, as Geoff realized after mentoring….
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...e#post14363273

[JohnAV]

Why would Disney who has strong ties to Apple be interested in HDR10+ given their 2018 plans of a exclusive streaming service with all their Lucas, Marvel, Disney content?

Do you see any love for Amazon or Samsung in this picture?

[HeatEquation]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

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Plus, as Geoff realized after mentoring….
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...e#post14363273

This all sounds great to me, especially the part about manufacturers still having some control.