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Purplegrasshopper · 01-11-2009, 08:42 PM

I need a 50-foot HDMI cable rated for in-wall installation...can someone suggest one? Thanks!

crackinhedz · 01-11-2009, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Purplegrasshopper

I need a 50-foot HDMI cable rated for in-wall installation...can someone suggest one? Thanks!

50ft HDMI

Purplegrasshopper · 01-11-2009, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by crackinhedz

50ft HDMI

Thanks crackin...since I'm running 50' of HDMI wire, I read somewhere someplace that I might need an equalizer? Is that correct?

crackinhedz · 01-11-2009, 09:02 PM

I wouldn't buy an equalizer. But that's just me.

check out the user reviews on that cable...I don't see anyone mention a need for an equalizer.

liquidice · 01-30-2009, 04:33 PM

should I get catagory 1 or 2?

gearyt · 01-30-2009, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Hedchekr

"..... You don't understand digital signals,..... My point is I sick of people saying its digital it works or it doesn't, that not true.

I guess I'll have to take that part ( Digital Engineer ) off my resume...

and sorry, in this application, it will either work or be noticeable

mjbethancourt · 01-30-2009, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by gearyt

I guess I'll have to take that part ( Digital Engineer ) off my resume...

and sorry, in this application, it will either work or be noticeable

Maybe you should do just that. I went to college too. I think many others of us here did, as well. (Majored in physics & engineering). If anything, you of all people should know better. This myth that digital signals are all equal and magically immune to the same issues that effect analog signals is silly. Same materials, same vulnerability. Digital signal is still electrical, and a crappy cable is going to be a problem. Cheap cables were bad for analog, and they're bad for digital. The statement that all 1080p signals are equal is baloney, as well.

I'll take the statement "it will either work or be noticeable", and point out that it might not be noticeable if the consumer doesn't know any better. Just look at all these people that think that a Vizio is just fine, and can't see the difference between their picture and that of a nice, new XBR8. I CAN see the difference, I started with cheap cables, and I ditched them after a few days because I saw issues with the PQ, and my setup was reporting bandwith bottlenecks, (and yes, the cable was rated HDMI 1.3 compliant).

So, if you yourself are content to use some bargain-basement cable that's barely more than a 22-guage RCA line with HDMI terminals on it, go for it; but stop telling people they're stupid because they care about the quality of their cables.

gearyt · 01-30-2009, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by mjbethancourt

(Majored in physics & engineering). ... This myth that digital signals are all equal and magically immune to the same issues that effect analog signals is silly. Same materials, same vulnerability. Digital signal is still electrical, and a crappy cable is going to be a problem. Cheap cables were bad for analog, and they're bad for digital.

If you remember your theory in digital vs analog once the signal passes the threshold, a "0" becomes a "1".. so where there is IE: 2 volts of noise on a 5 volt signal ( where the threshold is 2.6 volts ) it is still a "0". In the analog world this would represent data and / or noise ( and I use Monster Analog's )
in the digital scheme of things it would not be seen...

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Originally Posted by mjbethancourt

I'll take the statement "it will either work or be noticeable", and point out that it might not be noticeable if the consumer doesn't know any better. Just look at all these people that think that a Vizio is just fine, and can't see the difference between their picture and that of a nice, new XBR8. I CAN see the difference...

almost everyone can tell the difference between these two sets

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Originally Posted by mjbethancourt

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.... but stop telling people they're stupid because they care about the quality of their cables

must be some other person, I do not call people stupid, except in jest

but anyway...
you win....

mjbethancourt · 01-30-2009, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by gearyt

If you remember your theory in digital vs analog once the signal passes the threshold, a "0" becomes a "1".. so where there is IE: 2 volts of noise on a 5 volt signal ( where the threshold is 2.6 volts ) it is still a "0". In the analog world this would represent data and / or noise ( and I use Monster Analog's )in the digital scheme of things it would not be seen...

... doesn't really gainsay the point at all. A good signal can still get messed up by a bad cable; defects and interference will still result in data corruption or loss. A digital signal doesn't cease to be electrical once it hits the cable, just because it's in discrete packets. An HDMI cable still uses standard metals like copper & aluminum, not superconductor materials... it's not a magic cable.

crackinhedz · 01-30-2009, 10:19 PM

this is behind my system (yeah yeah, I know!):

...where does all this "interference" that people like to refer to come from??

geoffc · 01-30-2009, 10:42 PM

er, wow! Give Kimber Kable a try (U.S. make) I use them here in the UK and they are suberb (but not Cheap)

mjbethancourt · 01-30-2009, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by crackinhedz

this is behind my system (yeah yeah, I know!):

...where does all this "interference" that people like to refer to come from??

Holy smokes! You're the A/V helpdesk expert, and you're mocking the notion of signal interference?

Yes, folks, that's right: dirty power, interference, noise, signal degradation, etc... all FUD hoaxes made up by Monster Cable to make people buy their gear.

crackinhedz · 01-30-2009, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by mjbethancourt

Yes, folks, that's right: dirty power, interference, noise, signal degradation, etc... all FUD hoaxes made up by Monster Cable to make people buy their gear.

...yes folks, interference that has absolutely no effect on my $4 hdmi cables.

crackinhedz · 01-30-2009, 11:37 PM

this is the HDMI cable thread, no?

mjbethancourt · 01-30-2009, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by crackinhedz

...yes folks, interference that has absolutely no effect on my $4 hdmi cables.

I see a Monster power conditioner in the picture. Make up your mind.

... oh, sorry. "HDMI cable". There, now I'm on topic.

crackinhedz · 01-30-2009, 11:38 PM

My Monster Component (analog) cables look good too.

crackinhedz · 01-30-2009, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by mjbethancourt

Make up your mind.

...I did make up my mind.

Cheap HDMI cables work just fine.

Ive stopped trying to debate the merits of digital signal to naysayers. If you want to spend top dollar to sleep good at night...I'm not gonna stop ya.

liquidice · 01-31-2009, 01:55 PM

this really did get off track. I had a question above before mom and dad had their little fight, so I'll throw it out again: Catagory 1 or 2 HDMI?

gearyt · 01-31-2009, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by liquidice

this really did get off track. I had a question above before mom and dad had their little fight, so I'll throw it out again: Catagory 1 or 2 HDMI?

today .. it doesn't matter... in the near future maybe cat 2
the rateing is what it was tested to... cat 1 cables may pass cat 2 specs

gearyt · 01-31-2009, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by crackinhedz

this is behind my system (yeah yeah, I know!):

...where does all this "interference" that people like to refer to come from??

they say that a man's cables are a reflection of their minds

01-30-2009, 10:19 PM	#670
crackinhedz Super Moderator Member since:Feb 2007 Home Theater Gallery:10 Blu-ray reviews:8 Trading Score:19	this is behind my system (yeah yeah, I know!): ...where does all this "interference" that people like to refer to come from?? Last edited by crackinhedz; 01-30-2009 at 10:24 PM.

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01-11-2009, 08:42 PM	#661
Purplegrasshopper Expert Member Member since:Nov 2008 Location:Las Vegas, NV Blu-ray collection:13	I need a 50-foot HDMI cable rated for in-wall installation...can someone suggest one? Thanks!

01-11-2009, 09:02 PM	#664
crackinhedz Super Moderator Member since:Feb 2007 Home Theater Gallery:10 Blu-ray reviews:8 Trading Score:19	I wouldn't buy an equalizer. But that's just me. check out the user reviews on that cable...I don't see anyone mention a need for an equalizer.

01-30-2009, 04:33 PM	#665
liquidice Mad Scientist Top ranked HT gallery Member since:Jun 2008 Location:Milwaukee Home Theater Gallery:43 Blu-ray collection:384 Blu-ray reviews:6	should I get catagory 1 or 2?

01-30-2009, 10:42 PM	#671
geoffc Senior Member Member since:Aug 2008 Location:UK	er, wow! Give Kimber Kable a try (U.S. make) I use them here in the UK and they are suberb (but not Cheap)

01-30-2009, 11:37 PM	#674
crackinhedz Super Moderator Member since:Feb 2007 Home Theater Gallery:10 Blu-ray reviews:8 Trading Score:19	this is the HDMI cable thread, no?

01-30-2009, 11:38 PM	#676
crackinhedz Super Moderator Member since:Feb 2007 Home Theater Gallery:10 Blu-ray reviews:8 Trading Score:19	My Monster Component (analog) cables look good too.

01-31-2009, 01:55 PM	#678
liquidice Mad Scientist Top ranked HT gallery Member since:Jun 2008 Location:Milwaukee Home Theater Gallery:43 Blu-ray collection:384 Blu-ray reviews:6	this really did get off track. I had a question above before mom and dad had their little fight, so I'll throw it out again: Catagory 1 or 2 HDMI?

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