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Old 11-17-2018, 09:03 AM   #81
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For the umpteenth time, they need to STOP charging extra for 3D!
Think about this from the studioís perspective. 3D costs extra to produce - that cost has to be covered by someone, otherwise why do it at all? If youíre suggesting putting the price of 2D cinema up a bit and 3D down a bit so that they match:

1) Morally, why should people who donít like 3D pay extra for non-3D showings?
2) The effect of putting the price up for 2D showings is less people at the cinema in general.

We want the special sauce on our burgers so we pay for it. The sooner people accept that it costs extra to make 3D films the better.
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Old 11-17-2018, 12:22 PM   #82
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well thats like saying, because Star Wars costs more to make then a low budget film . we should pay more to see it. Or pay more for the next 007 film
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Old 11-17-2018, 12:29 PM   #83
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No because those examples get more punters in than average, not less. 3D audiences makeup 10%-40% at most.

You need an example of something that sells less and costs more to make.
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The "3D in cinema" situation in American since IMAX stopped showing 3D has definitely gone downhill.

There is a 12 screen state of the art AMC near me where I usually go for all my movie watching. No 3D showings for the new Fantastic Beasts movie.

They have IMAX, Dolby Cinema (WTF that even is), and Digital. 3 screens, not one 3D showing.

As long as the Chinese market is there, I have no fears that they'll stop making 3D movies for cinema. Getting a bit worried though how long more we'll get to see them in the US cinemas.
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Old 11-22-2018, 02:30 PM   #85
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https://www.slashfilm.com/home-video-window/

Wouldn’t it be lovely if frame packed 3D was an option for this. It makes sense to me as I consider 3D to be a feature of home cinema, not something for casual TV watching.

If I’m paying £30-£50 for a movie it’s got to be in 3D.
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Old 11-25-2018, 07:09 PM   #86
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For the umpteenth time, they need to STOP charging extra for 3D!
Actually, there are theaters that charge the same for both 2D and 3D, and they still schedule fewer 3D showings.



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As long as the Chinese market is there, I have no fears that they'll stop making 3D movies for cinema. Getting a bit worried though how long more we'll get to see them in the US cinemas.
3D is used in Asian markets to discourage piracy, not because people actually like it. Indeed, Chinese theatergoers protested Jason Bourne being shown in 3D.

https://deadline.com/2016/08/jason-b...na-1201809245/

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Old 11-25-2018, 09:03 PM   #87
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Actually, there are theaters that charge the same for both 2D and 3D, and they still schedule fewer 3D showings.





3D is used in Asian markets to discourage piracy, not because people actually like it. Indeed, Chinese theatergoers protested Jason Bourne being shown in 3D.

https://deadline.com/2016/08/jason-b...na-1201809245/
Hi larsk,

I think the issues are not tied together. From that article it appears that Bourne was filmed using a hand held camera for the jittery affect. Some mentioned that does not go well with 3D so the anger could stem not so much with 3D as it was felt inappropriate for this specific film and not enough 2D screens made available appeared intentional, leading to the feeling of being ripped off.

The other issue, piracy. Well, we see too much of that from the Russian federation and Sri Lanka to make a guess that it is not too difficult or more expensive to bootleg.

So it might not be a question about 3D popularity in Chinese cinema in general but just specifically with Bourne.
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Old 11-26-2018, 12:00 AM   #88
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3D was only popular in China the same way it was in every other region while it was new. China has a socialist government that mandated movies must be shown in the format so it gives the appearance of demand to the west. Chinese companies also have a reputation for buying tickets to their own movies (probably gov money) so their stocks stay strong, with audiences increasingly tired of 3D they can only do that so long.
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Old 11-26-2018, 03:48 AM   #89
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Hi larsk,

I think the issues are not tied together. From that article it appears that Bourne was filmed using a hand held camera for the jittery affect. Some mentioned that does not go well with 3D so the anger could stem not so much with 3D as it was felt inappropriate for this specific film and not enough 2D screens made available appeared intentional, leading to the feeling of being ripped off.

The other issue, piracy. Well, we see too much of that from the Russian federation and Sri Lanka to make a guess that it is not too difficult or more expensive to bootleg.

So it might not be a question about 3D popularity in Chinese cinema in general but just specifically with Bourne.
Jason Bourne is an extreme example, but it highlights what's wrong with the assumption that 3D is "popular" in China. Theaters book 3D so that they can charge higher prices, not because people actually want it. A lot of times, 3D is the only way to watch a movie in the large cities. Don't take my word for it as you can search for Beijing or Shanghai showtimes in English.

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3D was only popular in China the same way it was in every other region while it was new. China has a socialist government that mandated movies must be shown in the format so it gives the appearance of demand to the west. Chinese companies also have a reputation for buying tickets to their own movies (probably gov money) so their stocks stay strong, with audiences increasingly tired of 3D they can only do that so long.
Exactly.
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Old 11-26-2018, 07:27 AM   #90
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Well I did some research and believe those claims do have certain merit but only now will we find out if 3Ds popularity in China was not as it appeared to be based on the degree of future box office returns.

China has become the second biggest economy in the world during it's switch over from communism to capitalism the past four decades

https://www.businessinsider.com/how-...talist-2015-10

But it is still a dictatorship and as pointed out by others, the China film corporation is a monopolistic, state run corporation - not a private company. 3D certainly took on a big investment by the state.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/markhug.../#4d461d36212a

The state's high investment was based upon 3Ds initial popularity. Capitalism and free enterprise creates competition for the consumer dollar resulting in choices. Capitalistic monopolies do not. Those of us old enough remember bell telephone monopolized the phone system and we were subservient to their own regulation. This was repeated in China with 3D.

http://news.mtime.com/2018/01/17/1577386.html

But how much of the popularity we assumed existed was really based on State control? The state invested so much and being a monopoly could do what it wanted - just like the old Bell Telephone. But it too has given in to a growing demand for more 2D content. As stated in China Film Insider:

"Upcoming Chinese new year films Monster Hunt 2 and Detective Chinatown II will be released in 2D format only, according to sources familiar with the matter. Last year, filmmaker Chen Kaige also made an announcement to stress that he wouldn’t shoot Legend of the Demon Cat in 3D or convert it from 2D into 3D. It seems that China’s obsession with 3D movies is waning. In 2016, only one of the box office top ten films was released in 2D. Yet in 2017, four of the box office top ten were released in 2D."

So over the next few years we could get a truer picture of how popular 3D actually was at this point in the Chinese market with the freedom of choice returning. It has been marred now knowing Chinese consumers had few alternatives based on what was available but we can't just assume its sustained popularity was more an illusion either. With hindsight down the road based on what the trends show us we will get a more clearer picture. 3D could still remain quite popular and rather than fading out can keep its niche in Chinese society. Or if it decreases to a large degree immediately upon a more open msrket we could then conclude it was a indeed a case of too many movie goers just not having any other choice.

Today it is not the time to make that final assessment.

For the sake of 3D, I personslly hope it was not the case of being subservient to a monoply. We shall see.

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Old 11-26-2018, 08:07 AM   #91
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Hey Joe:

I like you, pray that China's apparent love of 3D is real. But the other posters before you I believe may be right. I still believe 3D is a process few really can get into, and I see no reason why the chinese population would be different than americans and europeans, who appear to only have a small group of people who are actually able to enjoy 3D.

We just take it for granted that since we enjoy it so much and have no trouble viewing 3D, that everyone can.

It was only a twist of fate that 3D made it as far as it did this time around. How fortunate are we? Extremely I would say!
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Not that anything is wrong...but...just how many life vests do we have captain?
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Hey Joe:

I like you, pray that China's apparent love of 3D is real. But the other posters before you I believe may be right. I still believe 3D is a process few really can get into, and I see no reason why the chinese population would be different than americans and europeans, who appear to only have a small group of people who are actually able to enjoy 3D.

We just take it for granted that since we enjoy it so much and have no trouble viewing 3D, that everyone can.

It was only a twist of fate that 3D made it as far as it did this time around. How fortunate are we? Extremely I would say!
Hi wild, my good buddy,

That's why I took the historical approach and posted backup material. Being state forced not due to any "cultural revolution" but a monopolistic investment, 3D was bound to be successful economically in the short term because the scales were deliberatly tipped in its favor.

That's why it is now obvious there was not the obsession in China many of us thought there was. Even Forbes didn't take into account the issue of state control as a sign of limited choice, distorting its assessment of 3Ds actual popularity as those here more astutely did not.

3D isn't for everyone as you correctly point out. It's for us enthusiasts. At this point we don't know if it is even popular enough in China to retain a smaller but healthy niche following down the road that might still distinguish itself from other regions. I'm hoping so in order for 3D to continue to hang on.

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An analogy with the 3D conversion not changing the outcome for Titanic?
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An analogy with the 3D conversion not changing the outcome for Titanic?
Yea. I believe you are correct when you say we are just a small group of enthusiast. Even in my own world it seems no one cares about 3D other than me. I invite people to come over for a 3D movie and...I have a little luck, but not much. Seems most just could care less. Even my "kids" (in their middle/late 30's) seem uninterested when they come down for a visit. They will watch one or two. But think they are just doing that to make me happy. Becoming a bit of a lonely hobby.

And to me it seems like the door is closing quicker now. So many films released in theaters in 3D...but not for the home market. And I don't know what James Cameron has in mind for Avatar 2. But doubt it will end up being a game changer for 3D in the home.

I'm sure home 3D will have some resurgence at some point down the road. Some point. But...
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On the bright side of the Cinema 3D scene, the equipment is all there so any filmmaker can make a 3D movie and have a distribution stream in cinemas. People still will see a movie that is clearly made for 3D or exciting (Marvel and stuff like Hugo) that is promoted in a trustworthy way to sell it effectively.

On the home front, James Cameron Is invested in the Dolby glasses-free TV tec that is awaiting a rollout. The tec is done and they are just waiting on a strategy as far as I know. I believe that strategy will coincide with Avatar 2 in some capacity.
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Yea. I believe you are correct when you say we are just a small group of enthusiast. Even in my own world it seems no one cares about 3D other than me. I invite people to come over for a 3D movie and...I have a little luck, but not much. Seems most just could care less. Even my "kids" (in their middle/late 30's) seem uninterested when they come down for a visit. They will watch one or two. But think they are just doing that to make me happy. Becoming a bit of a lonely hobby.

And to me it seems like the door is closing quicker now. So many films released in theaters in 3D...but not for the home market. And I don't know what James Cameron has in mind for Avatar 2. But doubt it will end up being a game changer for 3D in the home.

I'm sure home 3D will have some resurgence at some point down the road. Some point. But...
yeah i find the same....my wife is one of these who cant sit for 2.2minutes without checking her phone, so then complains of headaches caused by looking at phone through glasses

and if im watching 3d i like to have the 1000w home cinema on, to enjoy it, but sleeping family prevents that, so gonna have to get some good tv wireless headphones and go solo.
what a life

the dream would be a proper home cinema out building or something...one day....real cinema seats, a bar, 7.1 h/c, huge projector, just in time for 2033 when they release dawn of the dead and friday the 13th part 3 in 3d...
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On the home front, James Cameron Is invested in the Dolby glasses-free TV tec that is awaiting a rollout. The tec is done and they are just waiting on a strategy as far as I know. I believe that strategy will coincide with Avatar 2 in some capacity.
Proof? If this is actually true then I can finally sleep soundly, but I've heard too many false statements to get excited.
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the dream would be a proper home cinema out building or something...one day....real cinema seats, a bar, 7.1 h/c, huge projector, just in time for 2033 when they release dawn of the dead and friday the 13th part 3 in 3d...
My dream theater starts with just a good sized shed and goes from there

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That would do it
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