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Old 05-14-2019, 12:36 AM   #361
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FWIW replacement discs for Re:ZERO are finally being sent out. Also Funimation recently hired a new General Manager; maybe Colin Decker actually cares about doing a good job?

Still you're probably right. Only way I can see Funimation actually fixing this release would be if that Dutch release is Region A and has none of their issues. Future buyers import that version instead and maybe even get American retailers like Amazon and Rightstuf to carry that version instead (sending back all of Funimation's unsold stock)

Funimation shouldn't have to feel financially threatened to take action but maybe that's the only way they properly respond to their mistakes...
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Old 05-20-2019, 05:52 AM   #362
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Well the review on the front page was a disappointment. No mention of the picture colour issue or the english track being inferior in sound quality to the japanese one. Not impressed.
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Old 05-20-2019, 05:55 AM   #363
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Well the review on the front page was a disappointment. No mention of the picture colour issue or the english track being inferior in sound quality to the japanese one. Not impressed.
Most people don't care or compare it to other region releases. They take it at face value.
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Old 05-20-2019, 07:30 AM   #364
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Most people don't care or compare it to other region releases. They take it at face value.
The sound at least isnt other regions. The english track is poorer quality compared to the japanese track. All it takes is switching tracks.
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Old 05-20-2019, 08:58 AM   #365
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Most people don't care or compare it to other region releases. They take it at face value.
But the Reviewer took it at face value and said the Audio is great and only some minor issues with the video to where I feel uh are we watching the same thing?
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Old 05-21-2019, 07:48 AM   #366
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4/5 for video is incredibly generous. I think I've made my opinion clear about the banding in previous posts.. oh well, doesn't seem to be a big issue for some I guess.
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Old 05-27-2019, 01:24 PM   #367
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DBS:B JP BD PV:
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Old 06-06-2019, 01:05 AM   #368
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Anyone checked out the picture and audio quality of the Japanese release yet? I'm curious to see if it is miles away better than Funimation's release.
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Old 06-06-2019, 01:32 AM   #369
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Anyone checked out the picture and audio quality of the Japanese release yet? I'm curious to see if it is miles away better than Funimation's release.
It came out yesterday in Japan (now it's the 6th there, 5th now here) on the 5th, so unless someone literally paid up the a$$ to get it shipped in one day it'll be a day or two before some stuff comes out.

That said, I am going to Japan on a trip starting on the 17th and will be picking up a copy, so if there isn't any info out before then, I'll share it when I return.
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Old 06-06-2019, 01:43 AM   #370
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Not sure if it makes any difference but Funimation recently acquired MangaUK

https://www.funimation.com/blog/2019...nment-limited/

So if they wanted to do the right thing they now have access to MangaUK's video master w/o green tint and wouldn't have to wait months for Toei to give them theirs.

MangaUK's release for Broly doesn't have the iffy mixing for the English dub audio right? So Funimation could improve that too.

But if the Dutch release ends up having these issues fixed I'll probably buy that version. Wouldn't surprise me if Funimation's only way of re-releasing the improved version is via 3-film set (Battle of Gods/Resurrection 'F'/Broly) in 2020

"Give us more money for our mistake and double-dip, a recall & exchange is too much work"
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Old 06-06-2019, 01:48 AM   #371
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FUNi will never fix it*. They're too cheap and DGAF about video quality in the slightest.

*Unless millions of people start b*tching about it, it'll never happen.
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Old 06-06-2019, 06:57 AM   #372
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MangaUK's release for Broly doesn't have the iffy mixing for the English dub audio right? So Funimation could improve that too.

But if the Dutch release ends up having these issues fixed I'll probably buy that version. Wouldn't surprise me if Funimation's only way of re-releasing the improved version is via 3-film set (Battle of Gods/Resurrection 'F'/Broly) in 2020
The dub still sounds distorted on the Manga UK BD. I think all the issues are baked into the mix and it won't be fixed unless FUNi goes back to the mixing stage.

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ENG dub Manga UK BD


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I should receive the Dutch BD tomorrow on the official release date if things go well.
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Old 06-07-2019, 01:56 AM   #373
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This Japanese Blu-ray has AACS v70 protection, so it seems like I won't be able to rip it for screencaps or bitrate viewing yet.

I did get the BDinfo though:

Code:
DISC INFO:

Disc Title:     BSTD20217
Disc Size:      37,819,512,832 bytes
Protection:     AACS(v70)
BDInfo:         0.7.5.3 (compatible layout created by DVDFab 11.0.1.8)

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:                   00000.MPLS  
Length:                 1:39:49.984 (h:m:s.ms)
Size:                   34,965,694,464 bytes
Total Bitrate:          46.70 Mbps

VIDEO:

Codec                   Bitrate             Description     
-----                   -------             -----------     
MPEG-4 AVC Video        35061 kbps          1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1 / 

AUDIO:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
LPCM Audio                      Japanese        6912 kbps       5.1 / 48 kHz / 6912 kbps / 24-bit
LPCM Audio                      Japanese        2304 kbps       2.0 / 48 kHz / 2304 kbps / 24-bit

SUBTITLES:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
Presentation Graphics           Japanese        195.413 kbps                    

FILES:

Name            Time In         Length          Size            Total Bitrate   
----            -------         ------          ----            -------------   
00000.M2TS      0:00:00.000     1:39:49.984     34,965,694,464  46,698 kbps     

CHAPTERS:

Number          Time In         Length          Avg Video Rate  Max 1-Sec Rate  Max 1-Sec Time  Max 5-Sec Rate  Max 5-Sec Time  Max 10Sec Rate  Max 10Sec Time  Avg Frame Size  Max Frame Size  Max Frame Time  
------          -------         ------          --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  
1               0:00:00.000     0:04:40.405     35,069 kbps     55,314 kbps     0:00:06.339     40,217 kbps     0:00:06.464     37,676 kbps     0:02:59.804     182,836 bytes   635,598 bytes   0:02:21.182     
2               0:04:40.405     0:05:18.026     34,609 kbps     43,182 kbps     0:06:30.014     37,850 kbps     0:07:54.140     37,419 kbps     0:09:13.886     180,435 bytes   610,715 bytes   0:05:36.252     
3               0:09:58.431     0:05:33.499     34,987 kbps     41,820 kbps     0:10:02.101     38,085 kbps     0:14:11.767     37,573 kbps     0:14:37.418     182,407 bytes   634,069 bytes   0:10:01.934     
4               0:15:31.931     0:07:06.175     34,771 kbps     42,307 kbps     0:17:30.132     38,184 kbps     0:19:08.272     37,610 kbps     0:18:38.784     181,284 bytes   638,685 bytes   0:17:23.250     
5               0:22:38.106     0:03:03.558     35,430 kbps     42,068 kbps     0:23:51.346     38,213 kbps     0:23:51.346     37,470 kbps     0:25:10.759     184,717 bytes   623,863 bytes   0:24:50.697     
6               0:25:41.665     0:06:59.627     35,946 kbps     42,488 kbps     0:26:41.808     38,288 kbps     0:28:08.937     37,737 kbps     0:28:10.105     187,410 bytes   639,046 bytes   0:30:11.184     
7               0:32:41.292     0:03:16.779     35,441 kbps     43,018 kbps     0:34:59.388     37,899 kbps     0:35:39.887     37,302 kbps     0:33:41.602     184,774 bytes   624,381 bytes   0:33:33.678     
8               0:35:58.072     0:03:13.735     36,045 kbps     41,656 kbps     0:38:34.562     37,898 kbps     0:36:49.832     37,541 kbps     0:36:53.961     187,926 bytes   625,629 bytes   0:39:03.507     
9               0:39:11.807     0:03:39.761     35,561 kbps     40,891 kbps     0:40:14.495     38,259 kbps     0:42:26.126     37,686 kbps     0:42:26.585     185,402 bytes   625,499 bytes   0:41:34.617     
10              0:42:51.569     0:05:58.733     35,023 kbps     42,888 kbps     0:47:30.264     38,053 kbps     0:43:23.434     37,455 kbps     0:43:25.394     182,598 bytes   640,665 bytes   0:43:22.474     
11              0:48:50.302     0:05:44.886     35,606 kbps     42,095 kbps     0:52:05.205     38,345 kbps     0:50:15.345     37,781 kbps     0:53:40.467     185,634 bytes   640,459 bytes   0:53:02.345     
12              0:54:35.188     0:08:15.036     35,950 kbps     43,769 kbps     0:57:14.139     38,089 kbps     0:55:38.043     37,577 kbps     0:55:44.049     187,427 bytes   635,692 bytes   0:55:50.930     
13              1:02:50.224     0:10:44.268     35,840 kbps     45,053 kbps     1:06:24.522     38,536 kbps     1:08:03.204     37,622 kbps     1:11:02.299     186,853 bytes   637,447 bytes   1:10:16.921     
14              1:13:34.493     0:03:12.400     35,601 kbps     42,933 kbps     1:15:06.335     38,009 kbps     1:14:54.198     37,504 kbps     1:14:56.074     185,610 bytes   550,506 bytes   1:13:58.433     
15              1:16:46.893     0:02:01.204     35,784 kbps     41,428 kbps     1:18:24.574     37,924 kbps     1:18:24.491     37,449 kbps     1:18:11.186     186,565 bytes   623,447 bytes   1:17:11.501     
16              1:18:48.098     0:02:06.251     35,621 kbps     43,638 kbps     1:19:37.439     38,208 kbps     1:19:53.497     37,457 kbps     1:19:58.877     185,713 bytes   634,490 bytes   1:19:53.205     
17              1:20:54.349     0:08:11.491     35,210 kbps     44,341 kbps     1:24:14.758     38,105 kbps     1:22:26.149     37,605 kbps     1:26:40.904     183,571 bytes   600,812 bytes   1:25:51.729     
18              1:29:05.840     0:03:31.920     35,626 kbps     42,146 kbps     1:32:14.570     38,194 kbps     1:30:09.987     37,600 kbps     1:31:04.500     185,738 bytes   601,420 bytes   1:32:07.605     
19              1:32:37.760     0:03:20.491     35,597 kbps     41,861 kbps     1:33:54.962     37,949 kbps     1:35:02.405     37,584 kbps     1:35:32.017     185,590 bytes   634,700 bytes   1:34:54.855     
20              1:35:58.252     0:03:51.731     25,532 kbps     42,153 kbps     1:36:48.969     37,939 kbps     1:37:25.965     37,509 kbps     1:37:26.882     133,140 bytes   621,149 bytes   1:37:43.983     

STREAM DIAGNOSTICS:

File            PID             Type            Codec           Language                Seconds                 Bitrate                 Bytes           Packets         
----            ---             ----            -----           --------                --------------          --------------          -------------   -----           
00000.M2TS      4113 (0x1011)   0x1B            AVC                                     5989.94                 35060.9                 26,251,621,482  142,755,902     
00000.M2TS      4352 (0x1100)   0x80            LPCM            jpn (Japanese)          5989.94                 6912                    5,180,104,436   28,751,736      
00000.M2TS      4353 (0x1101)   0x80            LPCM            jpn (Japanese)          5989.94                 2304                    1,729,896,116   9,583,912       
00000.M2TS      4608 (0x1200)   0x90            PGS             jpn (Japanese)          5989.94                 195.413                 146,314,210     820,760
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Old 06-07-2019, 07:26 AM   #374
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But if DVDFab can read AACS v70, shouldn't you be able to open 00000.M2TS while DVDFab is running in the background?
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Old 06-07-2019, 12:45 PM   #375
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  • Dutch BD is region free
  • It's on a BD25
  • Japanese and English audio
  • 1 English subtitle stream. Same as theatrical subs, so 'Frieza', 'Bulla', 'Beerus' and that translation error).
  • 2 Dutch subtitle streams. One directly translated from Japanese without the aforementioned error and the other is based on the dub. Also 'Frieza', 'Bulla' and 'Beerus'
Disc is being ripped right now. Will post some screenshots soon.

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Periscoop Film has managed to make their BD look worse than the Funimation BD. Not only is the green tint still there, but the colors are washed out due to the lowered gamma levels, the banding is exacerbated and the picture is noisier. Their 'Your Name' BD suffered from similar problems.

Don't bother with this BD! Buy the Manga UK BD instead if you can.

Screenshots - Periscoop Film BD


Screenshots - Funimation BD *from Footlong Shoe*


Screenshots - Periscoop Film BD


Screenshots - Manga UK BD




Audio
Japanese: DTS-HD MA 5.1 / 48 kHz / 2017 kbps / 16-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 16-bit)
English: DTS-HD MA 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1941 kbps / 16-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 16-bit)

Subtitles
Dutch - Japanese audio (Optional)
Dutch - English dub (Optional)
English (Optional)

Bitrate viewer report

AVG: 24300 kbps | MAX: 54041 kbps

BDInfo:
Code:
PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:                   00001.MPLS
Length:                 1:39:41.500 (h:m:s.ms)
Size:                   22,529,316,864 bytes
Total Bitrate:          30.13 Mbps

VIDEO:

Codec                   Bitrate             Description     
-----                   -------             -----------     
MPEG-4 AVC Video        24300 kbps          1080p / 24 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1

AUDIO:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
DTS-HD Master Audio             Japanese        2017 kbps       5.1 / 48 kHz /  2017 kbps / 16-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz /  1509 kbps / 16-bit)
DTS-HD Master Audio             English         1941 kbps       5.1 / 48 kHz /  1941 kbps / 16-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz /  1509 kbps / 16-bit)

SUBTITLES:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
Presentation Graphics           Dutch           25.513 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Dutch           27.879 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           English         31.442 kbps
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English:



Dutch - Japanese audio:


Dutch - English dub:

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Yikes,


Left = NL BD, Right = US BD

More comparisons:

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Two more nasty looking screenshots from NL BD:


I'm not even sure if I want to watch the whole BD anymore.
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Well, I’ll be getting the UK and JP BDs, determine which has the best encode, sync up the other audio mix and subtitles, then make a custom BD out of it.
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Based on my own viewing, the UK release suffers from the same banding as the US release.
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I'm not even sure if I want to watch the whole BD anymore.
For some reason I didn't recieve mine today, but that looks awful. I'm not a 'quality junkie' at all and I can live with some imperfections, but how did this get through QC? Dutch companies are just really incompetent. I have only a few Dutch Blu-rays, but almost all of them are flawed.

And I was looking forward to finally watch the movie...

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