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Old 06-07-2019, 09:55 PM   #381
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For some reason I didn't recieve mine today, but that looks awful. I'm not a 'quality junkie' at all and I can live with some imperfections, but how did this get through QC? Dutch companies are just really incompetent. I have only a few Dutch Blu-rays, but almost all of them are flawed.

And I was looking forward to finally watch the movie...
I think most product managers in the Dutch home video industry aren't passionate or knowledgeable about product that they're selling and this attitude is reflected in the end product. They don't care about the quality as long as their targets are met. That's why I usually stay away from Dutch releases.

I was once told by someone from a Dutch film distributor that their QC process is mostly automated. The only thing that they check manually are chapter stops and locked subtitles if the licensor requested them.

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Anyway, here is a shot from the Dutch BD and Manga UK BD.

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This makes me feel sad.
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HAH!!!

I've re-encoded stuff for fun at bitrates even lower than that, and my results look WAY better than that because I know what I'm doing.
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HAH!!!

I've re-encoded stuff for fun at bitrates even lower than that, and my results look WAY better than that because I know what I'm doing.
Same shot from the Manga UK BD:

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Not perfect, but a major improvement.

I'm curious if Toei's BD will have better compression. I mean, the audio's better (LPCM 5.1 24-bit and the original Japanese version of "Blizzard") so I'm hoping it's a clear victory for them.
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I've seen bit-starved VC-1 encodes look better than that.
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Old 06-08-2019, 08:17 PM   #386
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Dragon Ball Super: Broly - Toei

Now that MakeMKV has updated I'm able to get as much information as possible. I took the same screencaps as I did on the Funimation Blu-ray, but it took some adjusting since the framerate on each is slightly different. Most noticeable difference is of course the lack of green tint, but some dark areas look a lot better as well.

Screenshots - Toei


Screenshots - Funimation


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Audio
Japanese: LPCM Audio 5.1 / 48 kHz / 6912 kbps / 24-bit
Japanese: LPCM Audio 2.0 / 48 kHz / 2304 kbps / 24-bit

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Disc Title:     BSTD20217
Disc Size:      37,819,512,832 bytes
Protection:     AACS(v70)
BDInfo:         0.7.5.3 (compatible layout created by DVDFab 11.0.1.8)

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:                   00000.MPLS  
Length:                 1:39:49.984 (h:m:s.ms)
Size:                   34,965,694,464 bytes
Total Bitrate:          46.70 Mbps

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Codec                   Bitrate             Description     
-----                   -------             -----------     
MPEG-4 AVC Video        35061 kbps          1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1 / 

AUDIO:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
LPCM Audio                      Japanese        6912 kbps       5.1 / 48 kHz / 6912 kbps / 24-bit
LPCM Audio                      Japanese        2304 kbps       2.0 / 48 kHz / 2304 kbps / 24-bit

SUBTITLES:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
Presentation Graphics           Japanese        195.413 kbps                    

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Name            Time In         Length          Size            Total Bitrate   
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CHAPTERS:

Number          Time In         Length          Avg Video Rate  Max 1-Sec Rate  Max 1-Sec Time  Max 5-Sec Rate  Max 5-Sec Time  Max 10Sec Rate  Max 10Sec Time  Avg Frame Size  Max Frame Size  Max Frame Time  
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1               0:00:00.000     0:04:40.405     35,069 kbps     55,314 kbps     0:00:06.339     40,217 kbps     0:00:06.464     37,676 kbps     0:02:59.804     182,836 bytes   635,598 bytes   0:02:21.182     
2               0:04:40.405     0:05:18.026     34,609 kbps     43,182 kbps     0:06:30.014     37,850 kbps     0:07:54.140     37,419 kbps     0:09:13.886     180,435 bytes   610,715 bytes   0:05:36.252     
3               0:09:58.431     0:05:33.499     34,987 kbps     41,820 kbps     0:10:02.101     38,085 kbps     0:14:11.767     37,573 kbps     0:14:37.418     182,407 bytes   634,069 bytes   0:10:01.934     
4               0:15:31.931     0:07:06.175     34,771 kbps     42,307 kbps     0:17:30.132     38,184 kbps     0:19:08.272     37,610 kbps     0:18:38.784     181,284 bytes   638,685 bytes   0:17:23.250     
5               0:22:38.106     0:03:03.558     35,430 kbps     42,068 kbps     0:23:51.346     38,213 kbps     0:23:51.346     37,470 kbps     0:25:10.759     184,717 bytes   623,863 bytes   0:24:50.697     
6               0:25:41.665     0:06:59.627     35,946 kbps     42,488 kbps     0:26:41.808     38,288 kbps     0:28:08.937     37,737 kbps     0:28:10.105     187,410 bytes   639,046 bytes   0:30:11.184     
7               0:32:41.292     0:03:16.779     35,441 kbps     43,018 kbps     0:34:59.388     37,899 kbps     0:35:39.887     37,302 kbps     0:33:41.602     184,774 bytes   624,381 bytes   0:33:33.678     
8               0:35:58.072     0:03:13.735     36,045 kbps     41,656 kbps     0:38:34.562     37,898 kbps     0:36:49.832     37,541 kbps     0:36:53.961     187,926 bytes   625,629 bytes   0:39:03.507     
9               0:39:11.807     0:03:39.761     35,561 kbps     40,891 kbps     0:40:14.495     38,259 kbps     0:42:26.126     37,686 kbps     0:42:26.585     185,402 bytes   625,499 bytes   0:41:34.617     
10              0:42:51.569     0:05:58.733     35,023 kbps     42,888 kbps     0:47:30.264     38,053 kbps     0:43:23.434     37,455 kbps     0:43:25.394     182,598 bytes   640,665 bytes   0:43:22.474     
11              0:48:50.302     0:05:44.886     35,606 kbps     42,095 kbps     0:52:05.205     38,345 kbps     0:50:15.345     37,781 kbps     0:53:40.467     185,634 bytes   640,459 bytes   0:53:02.345     
12              0:54:35.188     0:08:15.036     35,950 kbps     43,769 kbps     0:57:14.139     38,089 kbps     0:55:38.043     37,577 kbps     0:55:44.049     187,427 bytes   635,692 bytes   0:55:50.930     
13              1:02:50.224     0:10:44.268     35,840 kbps     45,053 kbps     1:06:24.522     38,536 kbps     1:08:03.204     37,622 kbps     1:11:02.299     186,853 bytes   637,447 bytes   1:10:16.921     
14              1:13:34.493     0:03:12.400     35,601 kbps     42,933 kbps     1:15:06.335     38,009 kbps     1:14:54.198     37,504 kbps     1:14:56.074     185,610 bytes   550,506 bytes   1:13:58.433     
15              1:16:46.893     0:02:01.204     35,784 kbps     41,428 kbps     1:18:24.574     37,924 kbps     1:18:24.491     37,449 kbps     1:18:11.186     186,565 bytes   623,447 bytes   1:17:11.501     
16              1:18:48.098     0:02:06.251     35,621 kbps     43,638 kbps     1:19:37.439     38,208 kbps     1:19:53.497     37,457 kbps     1:19:58.877     185,713 bytes   634,490 bytes   1:19:53.205     
17              1:20:54.349     0:08:11.491     35,210 kbps     44,341 kbps     1:24:14.758     38,105 kbps     1:22:26.149     37,605 kbps     1:26:40.904     183,571 bytes   600,812 bytes   1:25:51.729     
18              1:29:05.840     0:03:31.920     35,626 kbps     42,146 kbps     1:32:14.570     38,194 kbps     1:30:09.987     37,600 kbps     1:31:04.500     185,738 bytes   601,420 bytes   1:32:07.605     
19              1:32:37.760     0:03:20.491     35,597 kbps     41,861 kbps     1:33:54.962     37,949 kbps     1:35:02.405     37,584 kbps     1:35:32.017     185,590 bytes   634,700 bytes   1:34:54.855     
20              1:35:58.252     0:03:51.731     25,532 kbps     42,153 kbps     1:36:48.969     37,939 kbps     1:37:25.965     37,509 kbps     1:37:26.882     133,140 bytes   621,149 bytes   1:37:43.983     

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File            PID             Type            Codec           Language                Seconds                 Bitrate                 Bytes           Packets         
----            ---             ----            -----           --------                --------------          --------------          -------------   -----           
00000.M2TS      4113 (0x1011)   0x1B            AVC                                     5989.94                 35060.9                 26,251,621,482  142,755,902     
00000.M2TS      4352 (0x1100)   0x80            LPCM            jpn (Japanese)          5989.94                 6912                    5,180,104,436   28,751,736      
00000.M2TS      4353 (0x1101)   0x80            LPCM            jpn (Japanese)          5989.94                 2304                    1,729,896,116   9,583,912       
00000.M2TS      4608 (0x1200)   0x90            PGS             jpn (Japanese)          5989.94                 195.413                 146,314,210     820,760
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Old 06-08-2019, 09:02 PM   #387
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Manga UK BD



Looks very similar.
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Well, I’ll probably be syncing the dub and subs from the Manga UK BD to the JP BD.
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Image 7 is all you need to look at to see the green tint (someone make it a half and half image),also someone please put that up from the UK disc. How does that happen, isn't correct color one of the basic things you check when authoring a disc?
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Well, sure, but FUNi used a source given to them at 24p (as compared to the UK and JP BDs at 23.97p), most likely a theatrical DCP. I cannot remember if the green tint was in the screening I saw, but the frame rate alone says a different source was used- not FUNi messing with the colours.

That said, they should have checked with other sources to see what was the highest quality and spot the tint- it’s on them they never noticed or didn’t care.
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Old 06-09-2019, 09:11 AM   #391
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A DCP in P3 color space usually has a greenish tint, but the average viewer's eyes will filter the tint out due to chromatic adaptation. It also helps that the cinema screen is surrounded by nothing but darkness. Whether the green tint on the Blu-ray is caused by a botched conversion from P3 to Rec.709 or not, I dunno.

Framerate doesn't necessarily mean a different source was used. Shouldn't be difficult to change the framerate from 24 to 23.976 and vice versa.

Here's screenshot #7 from UK BD:

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Dragon Ball Super's English dub run has been at the center of a strange controversy lately as the last few episodes to have premiered on Toonami have suffered a noticeable dip in visual fidelity. After fans questioned Adult Swim about why some of the scenes had a notable framerate dip, Toonami's executives quickly responded and have now explained what was really going on.

SVP and Creative Director of Adult Swim, and Toonami co-creator, Jason DeMarco responded to the fan inquiries on Twitter and not only gave fans a detailed explanation of the issue, but also gives fans hope that the issue will be fixed going forward.

#toonami and #DragonBallSuper fans, an update on last week’s slowdown of action scenes. Here goes: SO. Remember the Pokémon flashing episode that triggered a bunch of epileptic episodes in viewers? Since then, TV networks have something called the “Harding Test.”

As DeMarco explains that the framerate issue stems from the Harding Test, which tests television series for photosensitive epilepsy provocative images. The last few episodes of the series have failed that test, "Every show, commercial, etc is run through this test to make sure it doesn’t have flashing frames that could trigger folks with epilepsy. The last few eps of DBS have had fight scenes that are cut to about one frame per edit in some places- they evidently fail the Harding Test."

As DeMarco elaborates, the standard fixes for this test didn't make a big splash on the radar, "Our program edit folks, who do these tests, normally just slow the cuts down in these scenes to about four frames per second. In the case of these DBS eps, it made the fight scenes look insanely slow. Program edit does this routinely, so they didn’t even think to notify us."

For fans hoping for a fix, DeMarco does state that these fixes have been adjusted and look much better in comparison, "...we asked program edit if there was any way they could slow these scenes down LESS. So from now on, they will he slowed (if they fail the test) to two frames a second, down from one. We tested it and it looks WAY better."

DeMarco notes that these fixes will kick in beginning with the next episode premiere of the series, so hopefully is works out for everyone. Though these broadcast fixes are usually done all the time (Japan notably dims the screen when bright lights are on the screen), this was the first notable adjustment. But Toonami, like always, listens to the fans and has already made major strides to address the issue.

Dragon Ball Super currently airs its English dub on Adult Swim during the Toonami programming block on Saturday evenings. It is also available to stream on Funimation and Amazon Video. The Japanese-language release of the series is complete, and available to stream on FunimationNOW and Crunchyroll. The manga has chapters that can currently be read for free thanks to Viz Media, and Dragon Ball Super's big movie, Dragon Ball Super: Broly, is now available on Blu-ray and DVD.
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I saw the episode last week and that's immediately what I thought had happened.
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I doubt this frame rate issue will appear on the blu-ray release so I don't see much to worry about as long as they try to improve the broadcast version.
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Here's screenshot #7 from UK BD:
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Now that I have access to a PC, I've been able to look at the UK and JP screencaps of the Broly film on a decent monitor. Upon comparing them, they look nearly identical, with an ever so slight edge to Toei in some shots. Outside of the audio being more robust on Toei's BD (and having Blizzard in Japanese) and the credits having Japanese text, the two releases are very comparable.
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That said, there’s more artifacts in all the BDs than I’d like. The Dutch release is obviously the worst, with FUNi’s being better due to proper gamma and a higher bitrate, but still of a poor quality. Then Manga UK’s BD, which is lower than FUNi’s and Toei’s in terms of video bitrate looks nearly identical to Toei’s encode, but seeing the often extreme banding on both makes me think it’s a source issue. Oh well...
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I cannot remember if the green tint was in the screening I saw, but the frame rate alone says a different source was used- not FUNi messing with the colours.
After watching the movie on the Japanese BD, I'm pretty confident it was green when I saw it in theaters. The colors looked significantly better than I remember seeing them before.
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Dragon Ball Super: Broly has been added to Caps a Holic

Now the true horrors of FUNimation's encode are made clear for all to see!
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Any chance the Jp Broly release has anything English friendly on it? Dub or subs?
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