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Old 06-26-2019, 12:00 AM   #921
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Lol they deleted the posts criticizing David Lynch?

Okay....

Doesn’t change the fact he’s still an a**hole and was a total d*ck about this release.

Still picking it up.

~Matt
I don't feel like going through 1000 posts....why was he being a dick???
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Old 06-26-2019, 12:01 AM   #922
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See y'all? I told you! There are two masters and it's very obvious.

Are some o u gonna turn on Kino now for confirming this?
The relationship between the 2 companies is not great and they're not obligated to share their masters with each other.

Some people may remember when we dropped Valmont because the French company was not willing to share their 2K restoration with the American studio without an exorbitant fee.
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Old 06-26-2019, 12:07 AM   #923
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The relationship between the 2 companies is not great and they're not obligated to share their masters with each other.
I figured that might have been the case as well. My first guess was simply that Universal had their own master, while not new, was better than what Europe has and that's why you guys went for it in the first place. It's good to have it confirmed for the hillsitters even though the transfer speaks for itself on where it came from.
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Old 06-26-2019, 12:15 AM   #924
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Well Amazon hit my card even though they haven't shipped yet Im happy enough with what i see to keep the disc. Its not the 4k restoration i dream about, but its a notable improvement over the European disc (atleast in terms of color timing).

Im also glad i wont have to swap the the audio track to English from German anymore.
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Old 06-26-2019, 12:17 AM   #925
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The European releases were all licensed from MK2 and the KL one as we all know is licensed from Universal. There are two different masters, one mastered in France and the other in the U.S.

Our master is not the same master released by the European labels.
I can see how stupid my question is even as I type it but...

Where does the UK disc fit in the above equation?
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Old 06-26-2019, 12:21 AM   #926
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I care more that the artist’s intent is represented the way they want it—that’s me.
[Show spoiler]I hope owning this in your collection makes you feel super important
I'd broadly agree, except when that "intent" leads to flagrant revisionism - like Friedkin's color timing on the original BD release of The French Connection, or Storaro changing aspect ratios in support of his self-invented Univisium format (and let's not even mention George Lucas...).
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Old 06-26-2019, 12:34 AM   #927
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I can see how stupid my question is even as I type it but...

Where does the UK disc fit in the above equation?
It's very important; we want to know which one is best.
Now we know, we can spend our money once more.
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Old 06-26-2019, 12:36 AM   #928
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I can see how stupid my question is even as I type it but...

Where does the UK disc fit in the above equation?
The UK disc has the mk2 master and is 1080i with PAL speedup.
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Old 06-26-2019, 12:46 AM   #929
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Honestly I`m tired of all those ego driven Hollywood cry babies.
If Lynch doesn`t approve, too bad, at least his fans now have a chance
to own this title in their collection.
I also couldn`t care less about James Cameron`s approval of True Lies and The Abyss on Bluray.
These people seem to forget who bought tickets to their movies and made them
their fortunes. They may think they´re super important, but at the end of the day they work for studios.
Those "ego-driven Hollywood cry-babies" actually make the films you so desperately want to own on disc, and some of them just want their own work presented in the best possible way for home consumption. But by all means, go on not caring so fiercely. It's always a pleasure to hear the input of people who think quality is meaningless.
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Old 06-26-2019, 12:49 AM   #930
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The UK disc has the mk2 master and is 1080i with PAL speedup.
Aha - much appreciated!
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Old 06-26-2019, 01:39 AM   #931
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The atmosphere in this film is just incredible. I forgot how much of an influence this one in particular had on the Silent Hill games(though many of Lynch’s works influenced them).

And the soundtrack! The uses of “Apple of Sodom” and “This Magic Moment” are probably my favorites.
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Old 06-26-2019, 01:51 AM   #932
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I'd broadly agree, except when that "intent" leads to flagrant revisionism - like Friedkin's color timing on the original BD release of The French Connection, or Storaro changing aspect ratios in support of his self-invented Univisium format (and let's not even mention George Lucas...).
Exactly. Sorry, but what looks good to my eyes comes first
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Old 06-26-2019, 02:06 AM   #933
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The atmosphere in this film is just incredible. I forgot how much of an influence this one in particular had on the Silent Hill games(though many of Lynch’s works influenced them).
VERY happy you noticed that. 2's similarities beyond the aesthetic are very interesting indeed.
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Old 06-26-2019, 02:07 AM   #934
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VERY happy you noticed that. 2's similarities beyond the aesthetic are very interesting indeed.
Yeah it’s been 2 years since I’ve seen the film and I just replayed Silent Hill 2 and 3 so they’re fresh in my mind lol

Definitely a lot of story similarities, this time around I also noticed
[Show spoiler]the Slow Club from Blue Velvet in Born From a Wish.
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Old 06-26-2019, 02:35 AM   #935
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Not responding to requests made by Kino (and we've only got their word that they reached out to him) is not quite the same as saying Lynch didn’t budge.

An interesting addition to the above topic, and one that nobody seems to have picked up on yet, is the fact that the Peter Deming comment was actually confirmed as genuine by the Kino Lorber Insider on this very forum.

So, if you set aside the debatable 'reaching out' to Lynch for a moment, we have a proven instance of Lynch's own DP reaching out to Kino several times, offering every assistance, and they ignored him completely.

Also, and this is just an added bonus - the event that triggered all of this in the first place was when Diabolik put the disc up for pre-order on April 17th, complete with the infamous list of special features, provided by...wait for it...Kino. This being a far cry from the KL Insider's brushaway comment last night of "Some website listed the extras".



Very true...except that the extras on the UK release are short films unrelated to the feature. Huge difference from an audio commentary and a one hour documentary on Lost Highway.
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Old 06-26-2019, 05:58 AM   #936
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See y'all? I told you! There are two masters and it's very obvious. Are some o u gonna turn on Kino now for confirming this?
There can be 2 HD masters but from the same scan. And indeed, in the grander scheme of things, you can see on this criterionforum's member post that the KL and the MK2 discs are sharing the same underlying aspects and that the level of details and other texture characteristics (etc, including wobbling) are extremely similar, for a PQ being falling within what was expected (though I didn't expect the older MK2 release to be cleaner than the Kino disc). I should have focused on conveying this sentiment that the PQ was guessable rather than the "one master" bit.

This comparison is especially interesting to assess this :



This being written, practically speaking, while PQs remain quite similar (though again, the KL grading is better), I was wrong, so my bad.

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I'll import this disc to Europe simply because it features subtitles in the original language and it isn't in 1080/50i.

The lack of subtitles in the film's original language is sometimes frustrating in Europe (outside the UK).
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https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/David.../36717/#Review

https://bluray.highdefdigest.com/769...ighway_uk.html

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Old 06-26-2019, 06:48 AM   #939
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Ill most likely blind buy this sometime down the line as ive always been curiuos about it.
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Old 06-26-2019, 09:43 AM   #940
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The European releases were all licensed from MK2 and the KL one as we all know is licensed from Universal. There are two different masters, one mastered in France and the other in the U.S.

Our master is not the same master released by the European labels.
Is it the same as the Universal UK then? That one was oddly 50i for some reason.
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