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Old 09-04-2019, 04:46 PM   #681
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IIRC, the 800 was $200 happened once last year when the MSRP was $300. Now that the MSRP is $400, I doubt it will go down to $200 again. If so, I’d buy one as my travel unit. Too bad nobody makes portable UHD player.
Must be a Canada thing. They're currently $249.95 in the USA at BBY
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Old 09-04-2019, 05:05 PM   #682
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Must be a Canada thing. They're currently $249.95 in the USA at BBY
Canadian dollar is getting crappier by the minute. The only “win” we have currently is on Panasonic OLED availability and players pricing (US$500 in the US and after conversion only US$370 in Canada)
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Old 09-04-2019, 06:48 PM   #683
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Panasonic OLED TVs in Canada are not like you can find them almost everywhere.
You need a big city...Vancouver, Calgary, Montreal, Toronto, ...

The folks who buy the univeral Sony X800M2 player, the majority are Americans.
Canadians are a small minority, so we're more talking US prices.
The X800M2, I'm sure, will go on sale for $199 around Black Friday and for the Holidays.

Anyway for the price it's a sweet little player. It's not perfect but no player is.

I might get one for Christmas...@ $199 Cdn. ...As a spare.
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Old 09-04-2019, 06:51 PM   #684
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Definitely I’ll get it once it hits C$200. That’s 100% for sure.
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Old 09-04-2019, 06:59 PM   #685
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Old 09-04-2019, 07:07 PM   #686
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I had the same problem with my x800 when it was new. After a couple of calls to Sony, they had me do a factory reset and update the firmware if available and it did seem to help. Every bluray would freeze around the 24 minute mark, but my 4K's and DVD's would play without a problem.
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Old 09-05-2019, 12:15 AM   #687
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I had the same problem with my x800 when it was new. After a couple of calls to Sony, they had me do a factory reset and update the firmware if available and it did seem to help. Every bluray would freeze around the 24 minute mark, but my 4K's and DVD's would play without a problem.
I'll try a factory reset. Hopefully that solves the problem.
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Old 09-05-2019, 12:22 AM   #688
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When I have an issue with a player I usually shut it down and powered it back.
99% of the time that fixes the issue.
With audio/video electronics nothing is perfectly perfect all the time.
In particular nowadays with small players, small motors, small power supplies and so many apps and Ethernet interactivity.
They don't build them fully proof...like the Panny 9000, Oppo 203/205, Pioneer LX500 and LX800.
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Old 09-06-2019, 02:45 PM   #689
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I was at BBY and they had a 820 open box (that looked completely new) for $299 so I picked it up just to do some testing (I figured no harm in returning an item that was already open box anyway).

Nothing I am doing is scientific and I have no professional A/V training. This is just my personal opinion.

4K: Almost indiscernible 800 vs. 820. HDR Optimizer did nothing per metadata information on 820. In some ways I preferred the 800m2 in Bravia mode into my ZD9 a little bit better, but honestly, they look pretty much the same.

BD: The 820's scaler to my eyes did a slightly better job than the 800m2 and the panel's scaler itself. I noticed a very small uptick in detail and less color bloom. I would say one was 9 and the other 9.5.

DVD: Believe it or not, zero contest. 800m2 was better. 820 upscaler from DVD was atrocious, almost unwatchable, like someone screwed with the color settings on my TV.

So what this comes down to is whether an extra $150-200 (and no two free 4K titles) is worth it for slightly better BD upscaling performance. I can't answer that for anyone.

The 820 is a nice player but I felt that it was "cheaper" physically than the 800m2 (it's also smaller depth wise).

I will say you can't go wrong with either player, they are both nice and honestly I do not think anything else in its price class is better (although I guess the only competition at this point are LG players).

I am going to keep swapping players to see what I think.
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I agree on the ZD9. You will be hard pressed to see any difference between the two players. Also the upscaling on the ZD9 is superior than any players and TVs I’ve seen to date. And the slight red bias of the ZD9 (well, any Sony TV) will “hide” the chroma upsampling superiority of the 820 anyway.
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I agree on the ZD9. You will be hard pressed to see any difference between the two players. Also the upscaling on the ZD9 is superior than any players and TVs I’ve seen to date. And the slight red bias of the ZD9 (well, any Sony TV) will “hide” the chroma upsampling superiority of the 820 anyway.
Have you tested the Sony A8F? How does the scaling compare to the ZD9?
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Old 09-06-2019, 03:41 PM   #692
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I tend to turn the red gain and bias down a little on my settings on the ZD9 for that reason. Sony loves their reds lol.
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Old 09-06-2019, 04:25 PM   #693
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Have you tested the Sony A8F? How does the scaling compare to the ZD9?
The A8F is very good too. But I never tried DVD upscales (I haven’t used DVD for a decade). As far as A8F vs ZD9, I can’t really say much about the exact difference as the A8F I tested was the 55” and the Z9 was the 75”
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Old 09-06-2019, 04:37 PM   #694
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Is 4K playback identical to the X700?
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Old 09-06-2019, 05:08 PM   #695
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I agree on the ZD9. You will be hard pressed to see any difference between the two players. Also the upscaling on the ZD9 is superior than any players and TVs I’ve seen to date. And the slight red bias of the ZD9 (well, any Sony TV) will “hide” the chroma upsampling superiority of the 820 anyway.
Every Sony 4K set I've had always needed the blue toned down way more than the red.
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I agree on the ZD9. You will be hard pressed to see any difference between the two players. Also the upscaling on the ZD9 is superior than any players and TVs I’ve seen to date. And the slight red bias of the ZD9 (well, any Sony TV) will “hide” the chroma upsampling superiority of the 820 anyway.
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Every Sony 4K set I've had always needed the blue toned down way more than the red.
The person who calibrated my TVs adjusted Red Gain to -8 and Red Bias to -17 on my 75". On the 65" he adjusted Red Gain to -6 and Red Bias to -15.

Would that be too much adjusting by any chance or is it possible that it is indeed needed. He's ISF certified so I take it he knows what he's doing.
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Old 09-06-2019, 05:59 PM   #697
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Every Sony 4K set I've had always needed the blue toned down way more than the red.
Not the ones I’ve been seeing on the job, in custom mode or Cinema Pro mode they are not blue. Which mode the ones you see the blue?
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All viewing modes. Lots more blue, little bit more red.
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Old 09-06-2019, 06:41 PM   #699
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That is really strange. Perhaps the “Live Color” is turned on. With everything turned off, yes there is blue push but the red is worse. Well, in HDR mode everything is wrong just like any display but Sony is still the second best (for out of box accuracy)
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No, it's not turned on. I did think that the colourimeter was at fault a few years ago, I bought a new one and then a spectro to profile it, just to make sure, and still too much blue. I've seen other calibrated white balance corrections for Sonys that also dial the blue down more than the red, so we'll have to put this down to ye olde panele variance.
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