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bigshot · 03-16-2021, 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Stanchfield

I have three prints of Why Man Creates here. I'm thinking about another scanning session out east- but still recovering from the last trip!

Powers of Ten, Hemo the Magnificent, Our Friend the Atom, Donald in Mathemagic Land, Cosmic Zoom, Red Balloon...

JasonMichael · 03-16-2021, 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Stanchfield

Bigshot--- These are from IB Technicolor Garage scans and Top Shelf Scans.

Are these discs available on the site now?

Steve Stanchfield · 03-16-2021, 08:51 PM

Thinking of putting up a few of them....

Retro00064 · 03-16-2021, 11:52 PM

Count me in as another who wasn't aware of those two during their initial availability and would be eager to obtain them!

There's not one of these cartoon special sets that isn't a valuable resource for the serious classic animation buff, scholar, or film historian...

Steve Stanchfield · 03-17-2021, 12:59 AM

One of the coolest things about seeing an original 35mm print scanned is how much you *don't* see in the final projected print. Examples below (From an original release 35mm Technicolor IB print of Robin Hood:

moofeeze · 03-17-2021, 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Stanchfield

We'll have both those sets up at the Thunderbean shop in a bit. You can use the PREVORD coupon for free postage if you have ordered other sets.

One of the coolest things about seeing an original 35mm print scanned is how much you *don't* see in the final projected print. Examples below (From an original release 35mm Technicolor IB print of Robin Hood:

Those look gorgeous

Steve Stanchfield · 03-17-2021, 03:17 PM

This is in the weeds in technical stuff a little today:

I'm really happy with how scans have been coming out. Great across the board. I wish I didn't have to teach right now; I'd be there again doing a lot more scans. I'm hoping within the coming weeks to get the next batch there.

Right now I only have preview files in my hands of most of what we did last Thursday and hope to have all files in my hands by the end of the week. We do have the 4ks final files on a few of the nitrate Flip the Frogs we just scanned. Becca (who has started to get pretty good at digital restoration) cleaned up the second element on 'The Cuckoo Murder Case' between Sunday and yesterday, and it's absolutely stunning. It was scanned from MGM's master positive- and has a Movie Tone aspect ratio (cutting off part of the full frame aperture the film was shot with). I was only going to use this element for the titles of the film originally since they are missing on the only extant full frame print. That print is scanned and nicely cleaned up (and has been done about a year). This master positive is so much nicer in visual quality though, so I'm going to work on combining the small missing piece from where the soundtrack sits from the full-frame print. We may also rescan that full frame print to see if there's any ability to boost the quality, but I' pretty sure its already as good as it can be. Devon Baxter is going to work on 'Jailbirds'. We had it scanned already, but the new scanner does even better in terms of dirt, base and emulsion. It's incredibly clean in the new 4k scan and stunning. With a little cleanup it will really sparkle, as a good majority of the Flip set does. Looking through all the elements just makes me smile at this point. Each one of these projects is climbing a mountain... and chances are no one will climb those same mountains anytime soon, so it's important to get them as right as we can I think..

I bit the bullet yesterday and ordered the soundtrack scan on 'Parrotville Old Folks' from the b/w 35mm element at LOC. I know I won't regret it in the bigger picture. I'm working on little tweaks to the master otherwise and have my first authoring done on the set right now, and we're working on the package. The first cover design will be used for the booklet currently. I like it but have been thinking about something different for the cover.

I feel like, as a company, we need to get all these things moving even quicker to prepare for the next stages of growth. You're all helping with that immensely... and I can see Thunderbean being able to tackle the next projects starting this year.

Steve Stanchfield · 03-17-2021, 07:52 PM

Continuing on some of those same thoughts on seeing more than would normally would. The film 'Who Framed Roger Rabbitt' is hard matted on the effects shots, but in both live action and animation it isn't otherwise. Here's some cool examples from the first reel of the film. Note also the color design/ contrast on the original release of the film:

chrizgrv · 03-17-2021, 09:08 PM

Those screenshots look great. Its very cool to see the peg holes and notes at the bottom.

Leviathan · 03-17-2021, 09:43 PM

Wow. You can even see how the backgrounds were slightly darkened by the cels.

cjamescook · 03-18-2021, 02:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigshot

Saul Bass "Why Man Creates"

Wow, I forgot so much of that. Thanks for the answer.

I agree, it would be nice to have a crisp copy, preferably blu-ray.

phrankenstign · 03-18-2021, 03:18 AM

Steve, since you stated you've scanned some of the source materials at 4K, does that mean you'll be releasing some stuff in the 4K format?

Steve Stanchfield · 03-18-2021, 04:23 AM

At the moment I have no ability to author a 4k disc. May be able to offer 4k mpegs though if I can manage to figure that out....

phrankenstign · 03-18-2021, 08:10 AM

Last week I received the 1937 feature, but I was unable to watch it until just moments ago. I have to say you found quite a print! The clarity and colors were nothing short of exceptional.

I was surprised at a couple of scenes. When the princess first goes upstairs in the little cottage, the names of the little men carved on the footboards are in German(!). She reads them in English, though, so it's very clear whose bed she's looking at. The other scene shows the naughty queen in her lair choosing one book from amongst many on a shelf. All the titles are in German, so it's a little puzzling at first what she's up to. When she opens the book and places it on a desk, it show's she's found a formula for a Peddler's Disguise in English.

I take it the two German segments replaced two damaged segments from the English print, right? Those German segments looked just as good as the rest of the English print, so they matched up very nicely without any jarring change in quality nor color and sharpness. Great work, Steve!

btw I had to laugh when I saw the names "Chef" and "Pimpel"!

One last thing....
I was looking at some of the descriptions for the special sets, and I saw this:

"This special set (BDR) is scanned from a rare, original IB Technicolor print, looking as it should. It's presented full frame without any additional scrubbing or changes. This special set also comes with an update to special set 18, featuring better footage at the beginning of reel 3."

Did I accidentally combine those two sentences from different sets, or was that update supposed to be included with the 1937 feature?

thechicken · 03-18-2021, 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Stanchfield

At the moment I have no ability to author a 4k disc. May be able to offer 4k mpegs though if I can manage to figure that out....

This would be wonderful

Toar · 03-19-2021, 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phrankenstign

Last week I received the 1937 feature, but I was unable to watch it until just moments ago. I have to say you found quite a print! The clarity and colors were nothing short of exceptional.

One last thing....
I was looking at some of the descriptions for the special sets, and I saw this:

"This special set (BDR) is scanned from a rare, original IB Technicolor print, looking as it should. It's presented full frame without any additional scrubbing or changes. This special set also comes with an update to special set 18, featuring better footage at the beginning of reel 3."

Did I accidentally combine those two sentences from different sets, or was that update supposed to be included with the 1937 feature?

I believe he said in a previous post that he was planning to scan the better version in his last trip but just couldn't, so he would ship the updated version later, when ready.

Update: From post #5932: "1937, 1950 and More Stop Motion Marvels are all going out right now. I had hoped to have the update for 1940 sent as well, but that will be coming as soon as the scans are done. I almost went today..."

timothy ramzyk · 03-19-2021, 04:09 PM

Steve, I still haven't received 1937, not sure if anyone is still waiting. I've sent a PM with my address in case I just got passed over on this one. Thanks

Retro00064 · 03-19-2021, 05:21 PM

Mine (purchased through the Thunderbean Shop) arrived several days back, along with my pre-orders of the 1950 feature and "More Stop Motion Marvels". I highly recommend using the Thunderbean Shop's ticket system (which does apply to old orders made directly via PayPal as well), handled by Steve's close collaborator David Grauman, rather than trying to deal with Steve directly. Take it from me: I've had my share of experience with the latter over the years, and the new system—with someone who actually seems pretty reliable at responding to tickets and getting replacements sent where needed, and tracking numbers supplied both for new orders and ticket-related replacement packages—is showing itself to be a very welcome improvement.

CantelopeSkiz · 03-19-2021, 05:21 PM

Mine only arrived yesterday, so yours might still be on it's way.

RadRen · 03-19-2021, 07:33 PM

Just received another package today.
I gotta say, that '67 print looks absolutely stunning! It really gave me a newfound appreciation for this film.

03-17-2021, 12:59 AM	#6005
Steve Stanchfield Blu-ray Guru Member since:Feb 2014 Trading Score:1	One of the coolest things about seeing an original 35mm print scanned is how much you don't see in the final projected print. Examples below (From an original release 35mm Technicolor IB print of Robin Hood: Last edited by Steve Stanchfield; 03-17-2021 at 08:28 PM.

03-17-2021, 03:17 PM	#6007
Steve Stanchfield Blu-ray Guru Member since:Feb 2014 Trading Score:1	This is in the weeds in technical stuff a little today: I'm really happy with how scans have been coming out. Great across the board. I wish I didn't have to teach right now; I'd be there again doing a lot more scans. I'm hoping within the coming weeks to get the next batch there. Right now I only have preview files in my hands of most of what we did last Thursday and hope to have all files in my hands by the end of the week. We do have the 4ks final files on a few of the nitrate Flip the Frogs we just scanned. Becca (who has started to get pretty good at digital restoration) cleaned up the second element on 'The Cuckoo Murder Case' between Sunday and yesterday, and it's absolutely stunning. It was scanned from MGM's master positive- and has a Movie Tone aspect ratio (cutting off part of the full frame aperture the film was shot with). I was only going to use this element for the titles of the film originally since they are missing on the only extant full frame print. That print is scanned and nicely cleaned up (and has been done about a year). This master positive is so much nicer in visual quality though, so I'm going to work on combining the small missing piece from where the soundtrack sits from the full-frame print. We may also rescan that full frame print to see if there's any ability to boost the quality, but I' pretty sure its already as good as it can be. Devon Baxter is going to work on 'Jailbirds'. We had it scanned already, but the new scanner does even better in terms of dirt, base and emulsion. It's incredibly clean in the new 4k scan and stunning. With a little cleanup it will really sparkle, as a good majority of the Flip set does. Looking through all the elements just makes me smile at this point. Each one of these projects is climbing a mountain... and chances are no one will climb those same mountains anytime soon, so it's important to get them as right as we can I think.. I bit the bullet yesterday and ordered the soundtrack scan on 'Parrotville Old Folks' from the b/w 35mm element at LOC. I know I won't regret it in the bigger picture. I'm working on little tweaks to the master otherwise and have my first authoring done on the set right now, and we're working on the package. The first cover design will be used for the booklet currently. I like it but have been thinking about something different for the cover. I feel like, as a company, we need to get all these things moving even quicker to prepare for the next stages of growth. You're all helping with that immensely... and I can see Thunderbean being able to tackle the next projects starting this year. Last edited by Steve Stanchfield; 03-17-2021 at 03:21 PM.

03-17-2021, 07:52 PM	#6008
Steve Stanchfield Blu-ray Guru Member since:Feb 2014 Trading Score:1	Continuing on some of those same thoughts on seeing more than would normally would. The film 'Who Framed Roger Rabbitt' is hard matted on the effects shots, but in both live action and animation it isn't otherwise. Here's some cool examples from the first reel of the film. Note also the color design/ contrast on the original release of the film: Last edited by Steve Stanchfield; 03-17-2021 at 07:58 PM.

03-18-2021, 08:10 AM	#6014
phrankenstign Active Member Member since:Aug 2017	Last week I received the 1937 feature, but I was unable to watch it until just moments ago. I have to say you found quite a print! The clarity and colors were nothing short of exceptional. I was surprised at a couple of scenes. When the princess first goes upstairs in the little cottage, the names of the little men carved on the footboards are in German(!). She reads them in English, though, so it's very clear whose bed she's looking at. The other scene shows the naughty queen in her lair choosing one book from amongst many on a shelf. All the titles are in German, so it's a little puzzling at first what she's up to. When she opens the book and places it on a desk, it show's she's found a formula for a Peddler's Disguise in English. I take it the two German segments replaced two damaged segments from the English print, right? Those German segments looked just as good as the rest of the English print, so they matched up very nicely without any jarring change in quality nor color and sharpness. Great work, Steve! btw I had to laugh when I saw the names "Chef" and "Pimpel"! One last thing.... I was looking at some of the descriptions for the special sets, and I saw this: "This special set (BDR) is scanned from a rare, original IB Technicolor print, looking as it should. It's presented full frame without any additional scrubbing or changes. This special set also comes with an update to special set 18, featuring better footage at the beginning of reel 3." Did I accidentally combine those two sentences from different sets, or was that update supposed to be included with the 1937 feature? Last edited by phrankenstign; 03-19-2021 at 02:55 AM.

03-16-2021, 08:51 PM	#6003
Steve Stanchfield Blu-ray Guru Member since:Feb 2014 Trading Score:1	Thinking of putting up a few of them....

03-16-2021, 11:52 PM	#6004
Retro00064 Member Top contributor Member since:Aug 2013	Count me in as another who wasn't aware of those two during their initial availability and would be eager to obtain them! There's not one of these cartoon special sets that isn't a valuable resource for the serious classic animation buff, scholar, or film historian...

03-17-2021, 09:08 PM	#6009
chrizgrv Member Member since:Jan 2015 4K collection:68 Blu-ray collection:518 DVD collection:371	Those screenshots look great. Its very cool to see the peg holes and notes at the bottom.

03-17-2021, 09:43 PM	#6010
Leviathan Special Member Member since:Oct 2011 DVD collection:30	Wow. You can even see how the backgrounds were slightly darkened by the cels.

03-18-2021, 03:18 AM	#6012
phrankenstign Active Member Member since:Aug 2017	Steve, since you stated you've scanned some of the source materials at 4K, does that mean you'll be releasing some stuff in the 4K format?

03-18-2021, 04:23 AM	#6013
Steve Stanchfield Blu-ray Guru Member since:Feb 2014 Trading Score:1	At the moment I have no ability to author a 4k disc. May be able to offer 4k mpegs though if I can manage to figure that out....

03-19-2021, 04:09 PM	#6017
timothy ramzyk Senior Member Member since:Jun 2011	Steve, I still haven't received 1937, not sure if anyone is still waiting. I've sent a PM with my address in case I just got passed over on this one. Thanks

03-19-2021, 05:21 PM	#6018
Retro00064 Member Top contributor Member since:Aug 2013	Mine (purchased through the Thunderbean Shop) arrived several days back, along with my pre-orders of the 1950 feature and "More Stop Motion Marvels". I highly recommend using the Thunderbean Shop's ticket system (which does apply to old orders made directly via PayPal as well), handled by Steve's close collaborator David Grauman, rather than trying to deal with Steve directly. Take it from me: I've had my share of experience with the latter over the years, and the new system—with someone who actually seems pretty reliable at responding to tickets and getting replacements sent where needed, and tracking numbers supplied both for new orders and ticket-related replacement packages—is showing itself to be a very welcome improvement.

03-19-2021, 05:21 PM	#6019
CantelopeSkiz Member Member since:Oct 2019	Mine only arrived yesterday, so yours might still be on it's way.

03-19-2021, 07:33 PM	#6020
RadRen Active Member Member since:Sep 2019 Blu-ray collection:10	Just received another package today. I gotta say, that '67 print looks absolutely stunning! It really gave me a newfound appreciation for this film.

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