Halloween 4K UHD (1978)

[BluProofie]

Originally Posted by grodd

There is still a lot of improvement to made.

On H1 there is the muted color problem, (Grey-ish daytime, blue lacking at night) the aspect ratio switching problem and of course missing Mono. Not saying I want a return to the 2007 blu-ray colors either. Those are too intense and warm.

On 2 I'm hoping for an original negative scan which it looks like we really didn't get last time. There was an increase in the tonal color space, (noticeable in fire, flashlights etc.), reduced compression and a lack of over sharpening from the last transfer. But we also might have gotten a small decrease in detail. Certainly not a level of detail I would expect from Eastman 35mm.

On 3 not sure what to expect since I believe they used a new 4K scan last time. So maybe this one will have the smallest jump in quality.

On 4 and 5 we should see massive improvements.

2 and 3 are apparently from new 4K scans of the OCN.

[grodd]

Originally Posted by BluProofie

2 and 3 are apparently from new 4K scans of the OCN.

Hopefully they actually do it on H2 this time.

[rocknblues81]

Originally Posted by Kyle15

The case insert is double sided with the original poster on reverse. Do what I'm doing and toss/sell/trade the slip, flip the art, now it's lovely!

New master + original mono is the big draw here. IDK if those things are to your preference though.

There is a point about waiting until the slips become rare, then put them up for sale. Could be an option. I mean, there will always be someone willing to pay for OOP stuff.

As for new transfer and mono.... You know, I guess it could be an argument for the first movie.... I guess my comment is more aimed at the sequels... Considering that the box set is as good as it is.... You're left with one main incentive... A new transfer is nice, but you're paying more than the Friday set for basically half the films.

I'm not a big fan of 8 and the Rob Zombie movies... But I can't justify selling the deluxe set with only half the series getting a 4k release... Not to mention... The 4ks could be botched given Scream's history.

[Jay Mammoth]

Originally Posted by grodd

Hopefully they actually do it on H2 this time.

They are, they never said the last release was from the OCN it was from an IP scan.

[BorisKarloffice]

I wonder what sales are gonna be like for 4 and 5.

The first three are probably guaranteed to sell well. The first is getting the original mono and an option to watch the extended cut with the extra scenes integrated rather than as a separate feature. II and III are making their UHD debuts and they're each classics in their own right.

4 and 5, IMO would be better served as a double pack priced the same as each of the first three, since they have fewer bonus features and alternate versions between them.

[Kyle15]

Originally Posted by rocknblues81

There is a point about waiting until the slips become rare, then put them up for sale. Could be an option. I mean, there will always be someone willing to pay for OOP stuff.

As for new transfer and mono.... You know, I guess it could be an argument for the first movie.... I guess my comment is more aimed at the sequels... Considering that the box set is as good as it is.... You're left with one main incentive... A new transfer is nice, but you're paying more than the Friday set for basically half the films.

I'm not a big fan of 8 and the Rob Zombie movies... But I can't justify selling the deluxe set with only half the series getting a 4k release... Not to mention... The 4ks could be botched given Scream's history.

I mean, there's nothing wrong with upgrading the ones you like the most and keeping the set anyway. I don't really get the deliberation on it when it's not that serious.

If they're botched either Scream will fix it or ignore it, and in that case I'll just be skipping.

[grodd]

Originally Posted by Jay Mammoth

They are, they never said the last release was from the OCN it was from an IP scan.

Its on the back of the Steelbook
"NEW 4K Scan of the Original Negative" theatrical cut

https://www.ebay.com/itm/13381104125...cAAOSw6mpg5cYz

[Brian81]

Originally Posted by Telemachus

Same way with The Thing releases.

When I saw The Thing in 35mm, I thought at the time that it looked like the HD DVD most, which was available at the time. Which I believe is like the original Uni Blu sans DNR

[Christian Muth]

Originally Posted by BobSimms

I don’t know where I read that the Lionsgate UHD used an IP (Twitter?), but it didn’t sound right. Anyway, good to know. What does the process of rebuilding the credits (yikes) look like?

THE GOONIES did it for the UHD. Basically, the studios almost always keep the original "textless" versions of shots that would have credits or text overlaid so they could send clean versions to foreign markets and they could put their own language credits on. So basically, to "rebuild" would be to scan those clean original shots and then redo the credit overlays digitally, or scan the separate film elements for the titles as well and then combine the two elements digitally, thus avoiding the generational loss of the original optically-printed credits/shots with text.

Chris

[Jay Mammoth]

Originally Posted by grodd

Its on the back of the Steelbook
"NEW 4K Scan of the Original Negative" theatrical cut

https://www.ebay.com/itm/13381104125...cAAOSw6mpg5cYz

Interesting, i stand corrected.

[The Fallen Deity]

Originally Posted by BorisKarloffice

I saw it, 15 years ago; I was told there was nothing left; no original mono, no original color timing, no understanding in even the most rudimentary sense of theatrical presentation. I saw this... 28 year old film with this blank, pale, emotionless grade, and... the most revisionist audio - the Devil's audio. I spent eight years trying restore it, and then another seven trying to milk it with as many releases as possible, because I realized that what was living behind that film was purely and simply... profit.

[Jay Mammoth]

Originally Posted by BorisKarloffice

I wonder what sales are gonna be like for 4 and 5.

The first three are probably guaranteed to sell well. The first is getting the original mono and an option to watch the extended cut with the extra scenes integrated rather than as a separate feature. II and III are making their UHD debuts and they're each classics in their own right.

4 and 5, IMO would be better served as a double pack priced the same as each of the first three, since they have fewer bonus features and alternate versions between them.

4 is one of the best sequels so i think that one will sell great. glad they didnt package it together with the terrible part 5.

[bobbyh64]

This should be the cover.


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[cuzzin]

To bundle or not to bundle? I am very back and forth as to whether the posters and vinyls are worth the extra $96 over Diabolik's price. When I boil it down, in an effort to convince myself, it doesn't seem as bad. ($8 per poster and ~$19 per vinyl.) This is my favorite horror series, after all. Hmm...

[BobSimms]

Originally Posted by Christian Muth

Basically, the studios almost always keep the original "textless" versions of shots that would have credits or text overlaid so they could send clean versions to foreign markets and they could put their own language credits on. So basically, to "rebuild" would be to scan those clean original shots and then redo the credit overlays digitally, or scan the separate film elements for the titles as well and then combine the two elements digitally, thus avoiding the generational loss of the original optically-printed credits/shots with text.

Thanks, Chris. That’s basically what I was imagining. The bolded text is a horror to a purist like myself. I mean, gaaaahh. I hope to god that hasn’t happened here.

[Jay Mammoth]

Originally Posted by cuzzin

To bundle or not to bundle? I am very back and forth as to whether the posters and vinyls are worth the extra $96 over Diabolik's price. When I boil it down, in an effort to convince myself, it doesn't seem as bad. ($8 per poster and ~$19 per vinyl.) This is my favorite horror series, after all. Hmm...

Yeah it was the cool boxes that hold the vinyls and UHDs that did it for me. Looks cool, plus figure that pin set will be a nice sought after collectible.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by SpaceBlackKnight

Lionsgate did a new 4K HDR master from the OCN (and an IP for things like text screen/credits and some effects shots) in 2016 for use on their UHD. Shout did a brand new 4k HDR from the OCN (direct without any IP inserts, may have rebuilt credits and on screen texts) with color timing halfway between matching that of the IP and being more balanced.

What do you mean “an IP for credits and effects shots”? Optically printed material isn’t “interpositive”, it’s dupe negative that’s cut directly into the conformed OG negative. The new transfer will be no different in terms of what they’re scanning, but if they want to rebuild the credits etc from separate textless materials that’s up to them.

[cuzzin]

Originally Posted by Jay Mammoth

Yeah it was the cool boxes that hold the vinyls and UHDs that did it for me. Looks cool, plus figure that pin set will be a nice sought after collectible.

I was actually calculating for the set without the pins. The one you're talking about would be literally double the price over Diabolik; a much harder pill to swallow. Not to mention more than triple what I paid for the original box set from Scream Factory with all ten films. I'm just not sure I need those pins that much. This hobby is getting pretty expensive these days, I tell you what.[/HankHillVoice]

[Christian Muth]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

What do you mean “an IP for credits and effects shots”? Optically printed material isn’t “interpositive”, it’s dupe negative that’s cut directly into the conformed OG negative. The new transfer will be no different in terms of what they’re scanning, but if they want to rebuild the credits etc from separate textless materials that’s up to them.

Unfortunately, I believe the "textless" shots for HALLOWEEN and other opticals (i.e., the portion of the opening POV shot with the "mask" overlaid) are included in the negative trims that were saved from being thrown out by that private collector, so those shots will likely still be scanned from the dupes intercut with the final conformed negative here as opposed to any possible "clean" rebuilds. Maybe not a bad thing, though, as I imagine lots could go wrong trying to match that "mask" overlay and I have no doubt they'd likely mess it up, and the only other optical I can think of in the film is that first daytime shot of the Haddonfield street with the text overlay (although there is one really dupey looking shot of the girls driving the car as the sun is setting and Michael is following behind them right before it cuts to night- dunno if that shot is actually a dupe, or if Cundy was forced to push process that one shot due to the light fading).

Chris

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Christian Muth

Unfortunately, I believe the "textless" shots for HALLOWEEN and other opticals (i.e., the portion of the opening POV shot with the "mask" overlaid) are included in the negative trims that were saved from being thrown out by that private collector, so those shots will likely still be scanned from the dupes intercut with the final conformed negative here as opposed to any possible "clean" rebuilds.

Chris

There we go then. Even though digital rebuilds are happening more and more for credits these days (though still quite rare in the grand scheme of things) they’re on major studio pictures with access to all manner of archived elements, not indie stuff like Halloween.