Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[cheez avenger]

Originally Posted by kfbkfb

I ordered one of the 1st 4 (NTSC) DVDs [Animation Greats] from a record store in TX (IIRC) after they posted their phone number in a Usenet post (my area wasn't in the initial DVD rollout).

Later in 1997, I took this disc to a Montgomery Ward store and played it, my 1st DVD player was a DIVX closeout RCA purchased from Circuit City 1999-09-01 for $200.

(note: DVD was not the first digital audio/video disc - I purchased a [Philips CD-i Digital Video] disc in 1993-11, I got to watch part of it in a Dillards store electronics dept in 1994 since they had a Philips CD-i player w/FMV cartridge)


Kirk Bayne

I remember that Phillips CDi machine. They used to sell them at my local Macy's department store. Early 90's and way too expensive for my folks to buy it for me. I was too young to work in those days, too. They used to air an infomercial promoting the machine and the game they would demo was this game called "Voyeur." In retrospect I'm glad I didn't get it because it didn't really go anywhere. 3 years later I had the first Playstation and the rest is history.

[kfbkfb]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Video_Interactive

The first digital audio/video optical disc system I read about was the Intel DVI system (in mid-1989, in a monthly computer mag).

I was intrigued because of the error correction systems inherent in the CD, I thought it would be a good way to deal with minimizing "laser rot" artifacts which were afflicting the LaserDisc system during that time, I also liked the idea of a better a video S/N which meant less noise in the color red (for example).


Kirk Bayne

[bhampton]

I remember an ad claiming 12 titles were already available back when DVD started.

And the DivX days.

And the HD DVD era

[Wendell R. Breland]

I agreed that was a very good summary by MPN but IMO, it was MCA, Philips then Pioneer that brought optical disc to life with LaserDisc. By 1984 Pioneer had added digital audio to LD. During that time period 8 bit video A/D and D/A were very expensive, in a large package and ran hot.

Our Ampex VPR-3's had an all digital TBC (time base corrector) and was my first encounter with digital video. The Ampex AVR-1 (early 70's) had an all digital controlled TBC but the video chain was still analogue.

[cheez avenger]

Wasn't joking about May being a stacked month. Just pre-ordered Thriller and Cloak & Dagger! No new erotica releases this time out, so that helps to leverage my purchasing dollars to these two titles instead.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by gotmule

That is outstanding news! Did the Dr also tell you to buy a new subwoofer as it will also aid in your recovery?

While subwoofer therapy is a sound idea, I do not think that my insurance would accept the bass-is of the theory. A 100% co-pay is out of the question right now.

Originally Posted by Steedeel

That’s fantastic news! I’m sure it’s a big weight off your mind and I’m delighted to hear it.

It is a HUGE relief, but it has also emboldened my physical therapist to push me all that much harder.

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

. That is wonderful news Vilya, definitely something to

Maybe I'll party like it's 1999?!

Originally Posted by bhampton

Pizza !

Originally Posted by Ender14

Great news Vilya! Have some pizza for me.

Pull up a chair! There's plenty for everyone!

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by cheez avenger

Wasn't joking about May being a stacked month. Just pre-ordered Thriller and Cloak & Dagger! No new erotica releases this time out, so that helps to leverage my purchasing dollars to these two titles instead.

Bare in mind we may get erotica next week (April 1st)

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by cheez avenger

I remember that Phillips CDi machine. They used to sell them at my local Macy's department store. Early 90's and way too expensive for my folks to buy it for me. I was too young to work in those days, too. They used to air an infomercial promoting the machine and the game they would demo was this game called "Voyeur." In retrospect I'm glad I didn't get it because it didn't really go anywhere. 3 years later I had the first Playstation and the rest is history.

My Phillips CD-I machine gave up the ghost a long, long time ago, but I still have some of the discs in their original packaging- not that that does me any good now. I was especially fond of this arcade shooter:

[gotmule]

Apparently after 5 months waiting, my new projector finally shipped and I should have it this week. Now I need a week off to start working through the 42 movies I have been holding off on.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I have an update about myself that I would like to share. I am putting it behind spoilers so that those who are not interested can easily skip over my post.

[Show spoiler]I saw my cardiologist today to discuss the testing that I had done back on March 8th. I have an entirely new diagnosis and prognosis.

My heart has recovered! I can't begin to tell you how much I enjoy saying that! My left ventricle ejection fraction is completely normal at 60-65%. It was just 40-45% last summer.

My diagnosis has been changed to: Takotsubo Cardiomyopathy, also known as "stress induced cardiomyopathy", which is more commonly called "broken heart syndrome." It is rare in men; only about 10% of patients are male. Recurrences are also rare.

"Takotsubo cardiomyopathy is a weakening of the left ventricle, the heart's main pumping chamber, usually as the result of severe emotional or physical stress, such as a sudden illness, the loss of a loved one, a serious accident, or a natural disaster..."

https://www.health.harvard.edu/heart...heart-syndrome

Most patients have pretty quick recoveries, but my other health problems delayed mine.

This means that I do not have congestive heart failure as I was formerly diagnosed. It means that my prognosis is no longer "about 5 years." I'm now free of this grim prediction!

My doctor says that I still have not recovered from my abdominal surgeries. I still weigh too little and I can't seem to gain any of it back. I still have to take my heart and blood pressure medications. I still have plenty of physical therapy to do. I still have a low sodium diet and I am supposed to try to consume 3000 calories a day, which can only mean one thing:

Eat more pizza!

Thank you all for letting me share my good news here and for all of the get well wishes that you have expressed to me over these long nine months. It looks like physical media and I both still have a future together; is that enough to make my post sorta on topic?

glad to hear you are doing better

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

25 Years of Digital Entertainment — Part One: The Disc That Changed the World

https://www.mediaplaynews.com/25-yea...ged-the-world/

not a bad article. But the title and deciding that it all started with DVD is misleading. VCD hit the market ~ 30 years ago (did not catch on here in NA but
through the world there was a bit of content released on it) and even though CD was only music that does count IMHO as entertainment and fixed the formfactor of what followed.

[kfbkfb]

The first time I saw a CD w/digital video and audio was at the 1992 SCES in Chicago, Philips had a CD demo containing the precredit sequence from the James Bond movie "The Living Daylights".

I watched it all the way thru several times, I didn't know what kind of video artifacts (MPEG-1) digital video would cause, but I don't recall seeing anything, it looked like a LaserDisc but wo/the noise in the bright colors.


Kirk Bayne

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by kfbkfb

The first time I saw a CD w/digital video and audio was at the 1992 SCES in Chicago, Philips had a CD demo containing the precredit sequence from the James Bond movie "The Living Daylights".

I watched it all the way thru several times, I didn't know what kind of video artifacts (MPEG-1) digital video would cause, but I don't recall seeing anything, it looked like a LaserDisc but wo/the noise in the bright colors.


Kirk Bayne

there were definitely CDs with video (MTV and music videos where king back then)

Canada/USA they never caught on even remotely so most people never new it existed but I was talking about

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

25 Years of Digital Entertainment — Part One: The Disc That Changed the World

https://www.mediaplaynews.com/25-yea...ged-the-world/

This is a good Article, and it takes me back to the start of the Digital Movies for me. My first DVD Player was a Toshiba, then when I started to Back-up my DVD's I found out it was still all about Files and Folders. I looked for a Network DVD Player around 2005, and found the GoVideo D2740 with an RJ45. I put these Movies on a HDD, and could access them with my GoVideo. I knew Streaming was coming soon, and it would be a Game Changer!

[kfbkfb]

The video quality of the DV and VideoCDs I have varies a lot, the Philips VideoCD of "Clear and Present Danger (NTSC)" has excellent picture quality.

Both my "Never Say Never Again (PAL)" and "STAR TREK THE MOTION PICTURE (PAL)" VideoCDs used poor quality video masters, but don't have noticeable video artifacts.

My "The World is not Enough" VideoCD used an excellent video master but sloppy video encoding with major picture breakup at times.

The short portions of the CD-i DV [not VideoCD] of "Star Trek 6 The Undiscovered Country" I saw at a Dillards store had no noticeable video artifacts.


Kirk Bayne

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by kfbkfb

The video quality of the DV and VideoCDs I have varies a lot, the Philips VideoCD of "Clear and Present Danger (NTSC)" has excellent picture quality.

Both my "Never Say Never Again (PAL)" and "STAR TREK THE MOTION PICTURE (PAL)" VideoCDs used poor quality video masters, but don't have noticeable video artifacts.

My "The World is not Enough" VideoCD used an excellent video master but sloppy video encoding with major picture breakup at times.

The short portions of the CD-i DV [not VideoCD] of "Star Trek 6 The Undiscovered Country" I saw at a Dillards store had no noticeable video artifacts.


Kirk Bayne

sorry I had misread your previous post when you said "D w/digital video and audio" my mind automaticaly went to music CDs that also contained a music video of a song on them.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by alchav21

I knew Streaming was coming soon, and it would be a Game Changer!

Actually streaming was already 10 years old by 2005. We started streaming our main channel programming to the internet in the late 90's. Crackle was already a year old.

Sometimes it takes quite a while before new technology catches on. We went on the air with HD and ATSC 1.0 November 1998 but only after the FCC mandated ATSC many years later did HD really start to sell. Because the FCC made ATSC 3.0 optional I believe the roll out will be much slower.

[kfbkfb]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

music CDs that also contained a music video of a song on them.

I was happy to see the LaserDisc system get more promotion w/Philips renaming/adding the name CD Video to LaserDisc/LaserVision.

I bought a dedicated 5" CD Video player in 1989-01 (Yamaha CDV-S100) and quite a few CD Videos (unfortunately, some were made at a Philips CD factory w/QC issues and they began to "rot" decades later, but they're now on YouTube)


Anyone here ever see/hear a DVI digital audio/video disc demo?


Kirk Bayne

[Wendell R. Breland]

There was a time that I owned several music video's on 8" LaserDisc. Video was still analogue (FM) but the audio was two channel digital.

ADD: In that time period I had a NEC PLD-910 (Dolby Pro-Logic 5.1) and the matching NEC AVX-910 A/V selector. Really liked both of these devices. Later, I modified my LD player to output RF for the audio and added a Sony SDP-EP9ES for Dolby Digital audio.

[kfbkfb]

I have a lot of the 8" Laserdiscs w/music videos, the ones from Image Entertainment have digital audio (I need to get my LD player[s] w/digital audio fixed, all I have now is a Pioneer PR-8210 [w/gas laser] and analog audio).

I rewired my basement surround sound system late last year, I listen to everything now w/Dolby Pro-Logic 2 music [digital audio in] or movie [analog in, usually prerecorded VHS] mode decoding (I haven't heard any audio artifacts from the pro-logic variable matrix decoding system when synthesizing surround sound from stereo).


Kirk Bayne