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Old 06-14-2022, 12:48 PM   #28381
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Resident Evil Welcome to Raccoon City > Jurassic World Dominion
Agreed.
It's insane how much I love that RE film.

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Jaws 2 > World/Fallen Kingdom/Dominion
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Jaws 3D > Jaws The Revenge > Jurassic World > Jaws 2 > Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom

Jaws 2 blows. So boring. But those following sequels are shlock gold on screen.
It's crazy how awful Fallen Kingdom is though. And I hate seeing all these people on twitter act like it was good cause of the gothic setting at the end.
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Old 06-14-2022, 12:49 PM   #28382
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Halloween Kills > Most slashers from the last 20 years.
The Strangers: Prey at Night > Halloween Kills
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Old 06-14-2022, 02:37 PM   #28383
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Old 06-14-2022, 02:41 PM   #28384
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Didn't realize references to everything from silent film to 60's/70's exploitation films was "pop cultural crap." Most of the people that watch his films don't get half the references or nods because they're very obscure. Likely, you're one of them.

"Oh he's using a piece of music from Good, Bad, and the Ugly! HACK!"

Like any artist, Tarantino is guided by his influences. He wears those influences on his sleeve, but the way he transfigures them into something wholly his own is what matters.
No, I have seen enough movies to "get" most of the references. My problem (and, yes, I understand it is just my problem) is that I'm not impressed by the ability to memorize and regurgitate. You see it as "transfiguring [his influences] into something wholly his own" and I just see a geek savant wallowing in his childhood nostalgia.

It's the difference between someone like Scorsese, who is just as (maybe more) knowledgeable about film history, but who is a mature artist with actual adult concerns, and a perpetual adolescent like Tarantino, who has all the visual chops but who can't outgrow his inner 15-year-old who just wants to restage all the best scenes from his favorite movies. He a mimic. A talented mimic, but a mimic nonetheless. He's the Rich Little of film nerd directors.

But, as I said before, I realize I am in the minority here.
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Old 06-14-2022, 02:42 PM   #28385
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But, as I said before, I realize I am in the minority here.
For good reason.
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Old 06-14-2022, 02:48 PM   #28386
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I absolutely hate spoof movies.
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Old 06-14-2022, 02:59 PM   #28387
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Old 06-14-2022, 03:08 PM   #28388
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Airplane II is funny, but it should have been a take on Towering Inferno, moving the genre target from airplane disasters to another kind of disaster.

Ted Stryker becomes an executive at the airline after his heroics of the first film. Then a fire breaks out or whatever, and he can navigate those ridiculous things instead of revisiting a lot of the same gags as the first.

The third hypothetical movie would see Stryker going on vacation on a trans-Atlantic cruise, and it turns into a Poseidon Adventure parody.

The fourth would be Stryker, scarred by his experiences, holing up in the middle of Kansas away from anything that could hurt him. It turns into a weather disaster film (Wizard of Oz parody is optional).
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Old 06-14-2022, 03:36 PM   #28389
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Agreed.
It's insane how much I love that RE film.



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Jaws 2 blows. So boring. But those following sequels are shlock gold on screen.
It's crazy how awful Fallen Kingdom is though. And I hate seeing all these people on twitter act like it was good cause of the gothic setting at the end.
I loved that gothic setting at the end!!
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Old 06-14-2022, 04:49 PM   #28390
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"Tombstone" is not a good movie, despite Val Kilmer's performance.
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Old 06-14-2022, 06:32 PM   #28391
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"Tombstone" is not a good movie, despite Val Kilmer's performance.
You're right. It's not good. It's great, and easily the best Western I've seen.
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Old 06-14-2022, 06:34 PM   #28392
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You're right. It's not good. It's great, and easily the best Western I've seen.
Never seen a Leone or Searchers or Stagecoach or Unforgiven?
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Old 06-14-2022, 06:46 PM   #28393
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Never seen a Leone or Searchers or Stagecoach or Unforgiven?
Yes, I have.
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Old 06-14-2022, 07:40 PM   #28394
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You're right. It's not good. It's great, and easily the best Western I've seen.
See more westerns.
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Old 06-14-2022, 07:43 PM   #28395
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The average Randolph Scott western made in a week > Tombstone
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Old 06-14-2022, 07:57 PM   #28396
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No, I have seen enough movies to "get" most of the references. My problem (and, yes, I understand it is just my problem) is that I'm not impressed by the ability to memorize and regurgitate. You see it as "transfiguring [his influences] into something wholly his own" and I just see a geek savant wallowing in his childhood nostalgia.

It's the difference between someone like Scorsese, who is just as (maybe more) knowledgeable about film history, but who is a mature artist with actual adult concerns, and a perpetual adolescent like Tarantino, who has all the visual chops but who can't outgrow his inner 15-year-old who just wants to restage all the best scenes from his favorite movies. He a mimic. A talented mimic, but a mimic nonetheless. He's the Rich Little of film nerd directors.

But, as I said before, I realize I am in the minority here.
Honestly though with Tarantino I think you need to consider how he presents himself against what he's actually trying to do onscreen.

He does tend to present the view you suggest, someone who is merely obsessed with regurgitating pop culture and not much else. However I think you need to consider how he rose up as a director and what he was reacting against. He was very much against cinema which viewed itself as "important" above entertaining, of Oscar bait and I'm guessing a good deal of self serious arthouse. For him to start going into depth about deeper meaning in his films or to present it in a very in your face way onscreen would go against that but I don't think it means deeper meaning isnt present.

Not sure he always has a clear fully formed message but I think there are very often interesting things to consider in his films that often go beyond what you might see in his influences.

Again Inglorious Basterds you can see how Landa changes from glorying in his role in the holocaust to "I was only following orders", how much nastier he is than the films comical Hitler yet he gets away with it until Aldo decides to do something about it.

It does also I think have a good deal of nuance when it comes to the way it shows other German soliders compared to most WW2 films, Zoller isnt a hardcore Nazi and doesnt enjoy seeing his killing glorifed but equally he is shown to have a nasty controlling side. Likewise the scene with the Basterds capturing the German troops really isnt filmed to make them look the best whilst he Captain actually has a lot of dignity/courage even if put behind a wrong cause.

The Hateful Eight, the story of deep seated tensions between Jackson and Goggins characters that ultimately need to be put aside to deal with something truly evil their facing.

Once Upon A Time in Hollywood, the story of makers of pulpy films coming to realise they are important via gaining self respect and killing the murderous reactionaries who demonise them.
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Old 06-14-2022, 08:28 PM   #28397
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You're right. It's not good. It's great, and easily the best Western I've seen.
Each of the man with no name movies is better.
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Old 06-14-2022, 08:55 PM   #28398
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I like Tombstone better than any of those, and it's not really close, but it's not my favorite Western. That distinction goes to The Outlaw Josey Wales.
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Halloween Kills > Most slashers from the last 20 years.
There is only one good teenage love and meat-cleaver movie: the original Halloween.

The rest are all cheap, inferior copies.
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Old 06-14-2022, 10:14 PM   #28400
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Halloween (1978) > Rob Zombie's Halloween > Rob Zombie's Halloween II > Halloween III > Halloween 4 > Halloween II > H2O > Halloween 5 > Halloween 6 > Halloween (2018) > Halloween Kills
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