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Old 07-19-2022, 07:00 PM   #381
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I am in the US and ordered the arte original from Arrow as well and my latest tracking shows this:
Monday 18 July 2022
Item received at Sorting Office
JAMAICA, United States of America

Little bummed that some posters reported audio errors in the first few minutes of the UHD AND blu-rays
Possible replacement discs in the works?
Let me know where it goes right after... Jamaica. Mine was there too then got hung up at...Phillipsburg.
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Old 07-19-2022, 09:22 PM   #382
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Let me know where it goes right after... Jamaica. Mine was there too then got hung up at...Phillipsburg.

After Jamaica mine got to my local sorting office the next day, though I'm only in Northern Virginia, and was delivered today.
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Old 07-19-2022, 09:49 PM   #383
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My Arte Originale shipped Thursday and arrived today in perfect condition. Amazingly fast shipping from Arrow! The packaging is gorgeous, can’t wait to check it out.
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Old 07-20-2022, 01:21 AM   #384
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Compared the 4K with the previous Synapse disc and can confirm that there were no sync issues on my setup.

The new 4K transfer is absolutely gorgeous. It’s unbelievable.

Also, for anyone interested, the new remastered standard blu-ray is Region Free.
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Old 07-20-2022, 04:00 AM   #385
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My Arrow order just left Los Angeles tonight, so I should receive it tomorrow.

Does anyone have time codes on the sync issues so I can compare it against the first two Arrow Blu-rays and the Synapse Blu-ray?
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Old 07-20-2022, 04:18 AM   #386
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My copy is in Connecticut right now. Should show up whenever USPS gets it down my way.
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Old 07-20-2022, 06:36 AM   #387
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BDInfo scans:

1) English version
[Show spoiler]
Code:
                                                                  Total     Video                                               
Title         Codec     Length    Movie Size      Disc Size       Bitrate   Bitrate   Main Audio Track                          Secondary Audio Track
-----         ------    -------   --------------  --------------  -------   -------   ------------------                        ---------------------
00100.MPLS    HEVC      1:41:03   77,252,712,384  91,436,299,199  101.92    93.82     DTS-HD Master 2.0 1355Kbps (48kHz/24-bit)
Code:
DISC INFO:

Disc Label:     TENEBRAE 4K UHD
Disc Size:      91,436,299,199 bytes
Protection:     AACS2
Extras:         Ultra HD
BDInfo:         0.7.5.8-X

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:                   00100.MPLS
Length:                 1:41:03.891 (h:m:s.ms)
Size:                   77,252,712,384 bytes
Total Bitrate:          101.92 Mbps

(*) Indicates included stream hidden by this playlist.

VIDEO:

Codec                   Bitrate             Description     
-----                   -------             -----------     
MPEG-H HEVC Video       93820 kbps          2160p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / Main 10 @ Level 5.1 @ High / 4:2:0 / 10 bits / HDR10 / BT.2020
* MPEG-H HEVC Video     71 kbps (0.08%)     1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / Main 10 @ Level 5.1 @ High / 4:2:0 / 10 bits / Dolby Vision / BT.2020

AUDIO:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
DTS-HD Master Audio             English         1355 kbps       2.0 / 48 kHz / 1355 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 2.0 / 48 kHz / 768 kbps / 24-bit)
* DTS-HD Master Audio           Italian         1304 kbps       2.0 / 48 kHz / 1304 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 2.0 / 48 kHz / 768 kbps / 24-bit)
Dolby Digital Audio             English         192 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps / DN -30dB
Dolby Digital Audio             English         192 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps / DN -30dB
Dolby Digital Audio             English         192 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps / DN -30dB

SUBTITLES:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
Presentation Graphics           English         26.573 kbps                     
* Presentation Graphics         English         22.163 kbps


2) Italian version
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Code:
                                                                  Total     Video                                               
Title         Codec     Length    Movie Size      Disc Size       Bitrate   Bitrate   Main Audio Track                          Secondary Audio Track
-----         ------    -------   --------------  --------------  -------   -------   ------------------                        ---------------------
00101.MPLS    HEVC      1:41:01   78,013,574,400  91,436,299,199  102.96    94.82     DTS-HD Master 2.0 1356Kbps (48kHz/24-bit)
Code:
DISC INFO:

Disc Label:     TENEBRAE 4K UHD
Disc Size:      91,436,299,199 bytes
Protection:     AACS2
Extras:         Ultra HD
BDInfo:         0.7.5.8-X

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:                   00101.MPLS
Length:                 1:41:01.472 (h:m:s.ms)
Size:                   78,013,574,400 bytes
Total Bitrate:          102.96 Mbps

(*) Indicates included stream hidden by this playlist.

VIDEO:

Codec                   Bitrate             Description     
-----                   -------             -----------     
MPEG-H HEVC Video       94820 kbps          2160p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / Main 10 @ Level 5.1 @ High / 4:2:0 / 10 bits / HDR10 / BT.2020
* MPEG-H HEVC Video     71 kbps (0.08%)     1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / Main 10 @ Level 5.1 @ High / 4:2:0 / 10 bits / Dolby Vision / BT.2020

AUDIO:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
* DTS-HD Master Audio           English         1356 kbps       2.0 / 48 kHz / 1356 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 2.0 / 48 kHz / 768 kbps / 24-bit)
DTS-HD Master Audio             Italian         1305 kbps       2.0 / 48 kHz / 1305 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 2.0 / 48 kHz / 768 kbps / 24-bit)
* Dolby Digital Audio           English         192 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps / DN -30dB
* Dolby Digital Audio           English         192 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps / DN -30dB
* Dolby Digital Audio           English         192 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps / DN -30dB

SUBTITLES:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
* Presentation Graphics         English         26.591 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           English         22.210 kbps


3) "Unsane" version
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Code:
                                                                  Total     Video                                               
Title         Codec     Length    Movie Size      Disc Size       Bitrate   Bitrate   Main Audio Track                          Secondary Audio Track
-----         ------    -------   --------------  --------------  -------   -------   ------------------                        ---------------------
00000.MPLS    HEVC      1:30:22   62,282,088,192  62,902,101,173  91.89     84.91     DTS-HD Master 2.0 1321Kbps (48kHz/24-bit) DTS-HD Master 2.0 1344Kbps (48kHz/24-bit)
Code:
DISC INFO:

Disc Label:     UNSANE 4K UHD
Disc Size:      62,902,101,173 bytes
Protection:     AACS2
Extras:         Ultra HD
BDInfo:         0.7.5.8-X

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:                   00000.MPLS
Length:                 1:30:22.250 (h:m:s.ms)
Size:                   62,282,088,192 bytes
Total Bitrate:          91.89 Mbps

(*) Indicates included stream hidden by this playlist.

VIDEO:

Codec                   Bitrate             Description     
-----                   -------             -----------     
MPEG-H HEVC Video       84907 kbps          2160p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / Main 10 @ Level 5.1 @ High / 4:2:0 / 10 bits / HDR10 / BT.2020
* MPEG-H HEVC Video     76 kbps (0.09%)     1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / Main 10 @ Level 5.1 @ High / 4:2:0 / 10 bits / Dolby Vision / BT.2020

AUDIO:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
DTS-HD Master Audio             English         1321 kbps       2.0 / 48 kHz / 1321 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 2.0 / 48 kHz / 768 kbps / 24-bit)
DTS-HD Master Audio             English         1344 kbps       2.0 / 48 kHz / 1344 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 2.0 / 48 kHz / 768 kbps / 24-bit)

SUBTITLES:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
Presentation Graphics           English         28.950 kbps
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Old 07-20-2022, 02:27 PM   #388
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Anyone here in the US order the.. arte original?
If so, is yours hung up in Phillipsburg, nj?
I ordered this and my copy shows arriving in Los Angeles on the 18th. Hopefully it will get to me in the next few days.
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Old 07-20-2022, 02:58 PM   #389
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Looked into the sync issue, (Oppo 203+20 years of audio restoration experience)

Took the scene in the airport, from hanging up the red phone until the knock on the booth door.

English Audio: Telephone Hang up sound effect is late, actually sounds after the cut. Knock on Booth door sound effect is on time. Voice is on time(ish). Sync issue with effects stem - but not always.

Italian Audio: Telephone Hang up sound effect is on time, booth on time voice on time. no sync issues on that particular section.

Looks to me like the restoration went back to stems and some effects are not correctly synced on the English track (not studied the Italian track aside from this test)
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Old 07-20-2022, 03:27 PM   #390
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Looked into the sync issue, (Oppo 203+20 years of audio restoration experience)

Took the scene in the airport, from hanging up the red phone until the knock on the booth door.

English Audio: Telephone Hang up sound effect is late, actually sounds after the cut. Knock on Booth door sound effect is on time. Voice is on time(ish). Sync issue with effects stem - but not always.

Italian Audio: Telephone Hang up sound effect is on time, booth on time voice on time. no sync issues on that particular section.

Looks to me like the restoration went back to stems and some effects are not correctly synced on the English track (not studied the Italian track aside from this test)
Wow, this is pretty ridiculous. How does this even happen? Don't they even check their work? Amateur hour.
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Old 07-20-2022, 03:45 PM   #391
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Anyone here in the US order the.. arte original?
If so, is yours hung up in Phillipsburg, nj?
My package went in and out of Phillipsburg yesterday AM and is out for delivery today.
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Old 07-20-2022, 03:54 PM   #392
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Also, for anyone interested, the new remastered standard blu-ray is Region Free.
I think you'll find it's region A/B locked...
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Old 07-20-2022, 06:28 PM   #393
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Looks to me like the restoration went back to stems and some effects are not correctly synced on the English track (not studied the Italian track aside from this test)
Thank you for your investigation of the issue.

If this is the case, then presumably any 'fix' would involve a lot more work than simply adjusting the entire audio track backwards/forward a few frames as is usually the case with disc sync issues?
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Old 07-20-2022, 06:46 PM   #394
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Looked into the sync issue, (Oppo 203+20 years of audio restoration experience)

Took the scene in the airport, from hanging up the red phone until the knock on the booth door.

English Audio: Telephone Hang up sound effect is late, actually sounds after the cut. Knock on Booth door sound effect is on time. Voice is on time(ish). Sync issue with effects stem - but not always.

Italian Audio: Telephone Hang up sound effect is on time, booth on time voice on time. no sync issues on that particular section.

Looks to me like the restoration went back to stems and some effects are not correctly synced on the English track (not studied the Italian track aside from this test)
I just checked again and it’s perfectly in sync on mine. Are you sure it’s not system related?
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Old 07-20-2022, 07:07 PM   #395
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No sync issues on any version, across three different players.

My main player is a Sony UBP-X700, the same as Christian Muth.

I'm not using an amplifier.
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Old 07-20-2022, 07:39 PM   #396
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So Arrow scaled back releases to improve quality control? It didn't work.
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Old 07-20-2022, 07:54 PM   #397
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So Arrow scaled back releases to improve quality control? It didn't work.
No sync issues for me. Picture quality is first rate. No problem with QC as far as I can tell
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No sync issues for me.
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I just checked again and it’s perfectly in sync on mine. Are you sure it’s not system related?
Well it could be related to the seamless branching maybe? depends on when it switches for the ROMA/ROME onscreen title for that section. I'm looking into that. will report back when its done.

EDIT it switches at the start of the title. 00007.m2ts (Roma) or 00008.m2ts (Rome) bluray version - not 4k

I'll get spectrals of both the italian and English tracks and get them lined up on scene change. I'm expecting to see both look the same (excluding language etc) apart from that one sound effect - We'll see.

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Old 07-20-2022, 09:18 PM   #400
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Don't feel bad; I opted for the Synapse release of PHENOMENA.
I have the Synapse steelbook on bluray from Hi-Def Ninja. The Quiltface Black Label Edition. I'm very happy having that Blu and Arrows Original 4k.
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