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Originally Posted by Duffy12
Lets go and invite him over here to show his views on this subject. We can always use another opinion here.  |
I'd love it if Simon Pegg wanted to join the discussion!
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Originally Posted by El_Jay
This just gave me a thought... what if Lucas is purposely diluting the awesomeness of the original trilogy to make the prequel trilogy seem less bad by comparison? 
Sort of "bringing it in line", so to speak.  |
Honestly, while I don't think that is quite his intention, I almost do wonder at this point if him adding in the "No. Noooo." to ROTJ wasn't more or less meant (at least in part) for the specific purpose of getting upsetting and "getting under the skin" of the fans who don't care for many of the changes and/or the PT.
I mean, the "Noooooo" at the end of Episode III has been widely mocked and criticized for how terrible it sounds and out of character it seems for Vader. While Episode III was generally the most praised film of the prequels, this was one of the much lesser aspects of it. Lucas cannot be THAT oblivious to the criticism of this. I find it hard to believe that he felt that Vader saying "Noooooo" in ROTJ was some big necessary change and is something that was lacking and completely missing from the film or whatever.
Not to mention that aside from a very select few shots, for the most part the lightsaber effects haven't been fixed/updated. Even prior to the problems caused by the 2004 color timing, was still one of the effects that seemed the most outdated throughout the trilogy (especially in ANH). This became even more obvious after the prequels started being released and the lightsabers in those films looked pretty much perfect. This is one of the few changes that people seem to be requesting (from PT/Saga fans to those who would like to see the UOT released, but would still like to see this done in the updated vesions), and it's the one change that he didn't make..... and let's face it, it's not like it would have been a difficult one to pull off.
I almost think that he's doing some of this stuff just to cause contraversy and jerk people around at this point.
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Originally Posted by Beast
Zzzzz.. are we bringing up that utter waste of time in the thread again?
The difference is, the Rifftrax guys are funny. The Red Letter Media guys are whiny, annoying, and unfunny.
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I will admit that the guy's voice can be annoying and the humor was hit and miss with me (some things were rather funny, other things I could have done without... especially the whole side-'plot' of his 'character' being a deranged psycho or whatever), the reviews themselves are still very good and go very deep into the issues with the PT films.
You said you've, "heard it all before", but I don't think you really have. Because these reviews brought up many points that I've never heard before, and I've seen many, many criticisms of the PT.
I do sort of wish that these were done more so as straight reviews and not in this character with the annoying voice and side plot. A little humor here and there would be nice, but aside from that it doesn't need it. Even in their current, existing form, the humor is really secondary to the actual points being made.
I know you still won't care (you never do), and will still continue to dismiss these reviews (as you always do), but you cannot accurately asess these reviews if you haven't watched them. If you find the guy's voice annoying or whatever and can't get past that to the point of being able to watch the reviews in their entirety, that's fine to an extent... you are entitled to feel that way about his voice and there's no rule stating that you absolutely have to watch them.
However, given that you haven't seen about 99% of these reviews, you are frankly in no position to have enough information to formulate a reasonable, fair opinion of the reviews based on the actual content. Therefore to simply dismiss them as "fanboy whining" is completely unfair and unreasonable in that sense.
Either watch them, or stop referring to them in that manner.
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Originally Posted by Shaft Windu
Couldn't care less! Am I supposed to chime in to the witchhunt!? It's ridiculous! For months now you lot were waiting desperately for any change to be confirmed so you could trash it blindly. It doesn't even matter what the change is, why it's there, how it plays out when you watch the whole movie/saga. I couldn't live with myself if I would just trot along. Star Wars is to dear to me and I have to much respect for George Lucas. These movies are so packed with ideas, imagery and wisdom... I don't get you guys AT ALL!
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Well, you are right about one thing, you don't get most of the people here at all... because this horse crap excuse of a response to all of this that you have posted CLEARLY shows that you haven't been paying a damn bit of attention to what anyone has been saying for quite some time now.
The primary backlash currently is against the "No. Noooo." at the of Return of the Jedi. Had this not been added in, there probably wouldn't be as much backlash as there is now.
The only other change causing any major stir (which by comparison is no where near as huge as the "No. Noooooo.") is Obi Wan's howl, primarily because it just sounds ridicuilous. I crack up each time I hear it.
Most of the other new changes are either relatively welcome or inconsequential. There have been a few negative replies to that, but for the most part it looks fine and really doesn't cause any problems. Changes like this for the most part can be easily overlooked by most people.
The only other real 'complaint' that I can think of regarding any other brand new changes would be the new rocks added in front of R2 when he's hiding in ANH. And really for the most part, the rock, themselves, being there aren't the problem. It's the inconsistency when they suddenly disappear after R2 comes out of hiding.... the cave/rocks he was hiding in can still be seen in the background, but the extra CGI rocks are suddenly gone. Lucas created a new consistency error in the process of this change. If the added rocks had been more consistent, it wouldn't be a big problem.
Yes, many people want the UOT released, myself included. But honestly, I think at this point, knowing full well that the Blu-Rays weren't going to include them, the things that people generally seemed to he hoping for the most was as follows:
-The 2004 DVD color timing issues being fixed (preferably completely eliminated). For the most part, these still seem to be there, with a few things touched up here and there.
-The lightsaber effects completely redone to match the PT (this seems to be something that I think many people can agree on, regardless of which "side" of this arguement that they fall on... why this once obviously needed change hasn't happened yet is beyond me). Instead, we have a very select few shots that were touched up to correct the issues causes by the '04 color timing, the rest still have both the color timing problems as well as the generally outdated effects.
-No new additions that would change the dynamic of an important, dramatic scene, i.e. the new "Nooooo" at the end of ROTJ.
-No new changes that would create consistency or continuity errors (i.e. the R2 rocks issue). Other small, little enhancements like the many that have been pointed out are otherwise fine.
For the most part, those things aren't really THAT much to ask when you get right down to it. It still leave plenty of room for George to tinker away at the films, adding little extras here and there where he sees fit. Yes, many of us still won't be thrilled with Greedo shooting first or Hayden in ROTJ, but short of a few instances of wishful speculation, I don't think that anyone really expected those things to be changed back to the way that they used to be for this release.
Excuse us if we don't just blindly take everything George hands us and say it's the greatest thing ever and that it surpasses the previous versions in every way.
Oh, and by the way, amongst those complaining in this thread, there were a couple/few posts from people who are on the younger end of the Star Wars fan spectrum and grew up on the special editions and the prequels. These people, in response to this "Nooooo" issue in ROTJ, said that they never really fully understood how fans of the original versions felt about the changes to the movies (since from their perspective it's just the way they grew up with them), UNTIL NOW.
As you pointed out, it's been 14 years since the Special Editions first came out. Many people who were kids seeing them in theaters then or growing up watching the DVD versions are older now and nostalgic for the versions that they grew up with. As Lucas continues to tinker with these movies and make changes that effect dramatic scenes, it's going to continue to just create more and more divides and contraversy amongst fans. If this man really wants his "ultimate vision" to be the only one seen and appreciated by audiences, then at some point he has to say he is done and just leave the damn films alone. The more different "versions" that are available out there, the more different people are going to have a preference for a particular one over the rest, and in many cases that probably isn't going to be the absolute newest one.
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Originally Posted by keithabbott
Anyone who doesn't like any of the new changes needs remember, you were told in advance that the originals would never return. Remember this?
Star Wars One Last Time - YouTube
There's no reason to keep harping on the subject after all these years. You don't like the changes? Don't buy it. Move on already. |
And he already broke that rule by releasing the original versions on DVD in 2006. They may have just been old laserdisc masters slapped onto DVD discs, but they were released again. He already broke this rule once, who's to say with enough convincing he won't do it again... perhaps with a better master/transfer?
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Originally Posted by Beast
Not after the whiny fits that Star Trek fans had about the reboot a few years back.  |
But at least the old Star Trek movies and TV series are still currently available for people to buy and watch as they please whenever they want, and those people who didn't care for the updated version are not resctricted and forced to watch only the new movie going forward.
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Why would they lie right to the faces of all the press that went up to the ranch for the preview why would they lie right to their face it makes no sense what the hell where they doing for this SUPPOSED 3yrs that they have been working on these do they expect us to buy the 3d versions in order for everything to be fixed. 
that the reports that they have not fixed anything are false.
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