4K Blu-ray content on the horizon?

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by saprano

Haha. I had no intention of causing a difficult time.... Step back a few feet from your monitor and tell me what you see?

(There i go again!)

I’ve got your number buddy.

You just reminded me of another potential benefit to 4k movie-at-home consumers. Sap, why on earth would you want to “step back a few feet from your monitor”?

Every serious home theater enthusiast I know of strives for the *immersive experience* at home!....that means either purchase the largest flat panel or front projection screen (imho, the Stewart FilmScreen SnoMatte 100 is the best) you can afford and/or move your chair(s), sofa, sectional a few feet closer to your display!

Dude, you’re going in the wrong direction with your eyeballs!

And the great thing about 4k is that it will allow you to position yourself closer to the display (for that more immersive experience) than you would without suffering the visual disadvantages of doing the same with some standard consumer 1080p displays.

Embrace the closer viewing distance of 4k as an attribute or benefit, don’t belittle it.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Deciazulado

...A small TV instead of a big movie-like screen?

See Sap, Deci ^ gets it.

[saprano]

Ok.

What i ment was that we're sitting 1' from our computer monitors (you guys are using computer monitors right???????) so it's very easy to spot any type of difference. Especially from a zoomed in still image. But when i moved back a little the differences were gone. This is between the 1080 and 4K. The 480p still looked like crap.

Nobody sits 1 feet from their TVs. I sit 8' back. Im more than immersed by the way.

Im not saying there's not going to be any difference between 1080p and 4K displays. There is. I just think it really depends how large and how far you sit from your TV.

I don't understand whats the problem here. I already admitted the 4K looks better than the 1080p. I understand the advantages of 4K. I don't know why you guys only focus on the......"negative"(?) comments im making.

The whole point is that i see a difference. No matter how small i think it is, the difference is clearly there. People continually think im trying to say there won't be any.

Sigh.

[saprano]

Can we upgrade the color depth and other things beside just adding pixels? Im tired of seeing banding in my blurays.

[Monkey]

Originally Posted by saprano

Can we upgrade the color depth and other things beside just adding pixels? Im tired of seeing banding in my blurays.

I thought the banding was just due to not doing a good job on a transfer and that it is possible to do any transfer without banding?

I'm prettty some of my movies don't have banding and some do.

I am with you in that I do not like banding, it is very distracting.

[Toxa]

saprano is afraid of 4K

[saprano]

Whatever you say.

Im liking Deci's poems/riddles though.

[Flatnate]

This whole thread has been fun to watch.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by saprano

Im liking Deci's poems/riddles though.

No riddle. It’s just that Deci monitors so many things on this site that he doesn’t have time to fully explain his posts.

Human beings’ eyes are relatively poor in identifying detail in the color blue so it appears as a uniform wash. On the other hand, people are excellent at visualizing detail in magenta and green.

As an aside, this neuro-ophthalmologic human characteristic is a well known fact which astutue digital colorists leverage when they color select degrain/regrain parameters rather than dnr-ing the entire image, if and when, they decide to do any grain management at all.

[saprano]

Yes. I know exactly what he ment about the color blue. I was just making fun.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Toxa

saprano is afraid of 4K

Well, we’ve just got to break him in easy then . Sap, in the meantime, get this monitor as a toy to play with at home…http://www.flatpanelshd.com/review.p...&id=1265617565

I think you can pick up one of these suckers for about $800 - $900 now. Not bad really.

[saprano]

Nice resolution.

I'll be upgrading my computer soon so i could get that along with it. Maby.

Don't know what your expecting me to find though. Tee-hee.

[saprano]

There's a very nice and detailed article in the february issue of hometheater magazine titled the 4K revolution. Reading through it now. Some of you probably already read it on the website.

It's also nice to see sony advertising their 4K projector in there.

No turning back now huh?

[Dubstar]

Originally Posted by saprano

There's a very nice and detailed article in the february issue of hometheater magazine titled the 4K revolution. Reading through it now. Some of you probably already read it on the website.

It's also nice to see sony advertising their 4K projector in there.

No turning back now huh?

yeah like I currently have 25 thousand bucks for a Sony 4K home theater projector

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by saprano

Can we upgrade the color depth and other things beside just adding pixels? Im tired of seeing banding in my blurays.

well higher resolution can help with that. Don't forget that shading (darker lighter) is 1080x1920 but tint is only 1/4 the resolution and what we get is compressed.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by saprano

There's a very nice and detailed article in the february issue of hometheater magazine titled the 4K revolution. Reading through it now. Some of you probably already read it on the website.

It's also nice to see sony advertising their 4K projector in there.

No turning back now huh?

If you’re talking about the online article posted last December, yes, I’m familiar with it and, in fact, it was previously referenced either in the Club Penton thread awhile ago by DenonCI, or in one of the ‘4k’ proper threads we have here on the forum.

That article just scratches the surface as to the magnitude of the 4k Revolution. It will take some time, but 4k is going to be ubiquitous, as it is the future for motion picture capture, theatrical presentation and television…for all types of exhibition. Bandwidth won’t be a humongous hurdle because advanced codecs will enable files to get smaller even though resolution will increase.

4k will be one of the enabling agents contributing to the reduction of broadcast as broadband becomes more popular in the future because the display technology will turn the television into a computer and the computer into a television. HBOgo.com, in the future, will become more popular than HBO……and HBO knows it. ESPN.com, more popular than ESPN, and on and on, down the line.

Already, “ATSC 2.0 contemplates the marriage of broadcasting and the Internet” (http://www.atsc.org/cms/) but, with time, one of these ‘partners will become dominant with 4k being the flower girl or Maid of Honor, so-to-speak, in the ceremonial process. Given the recent introduction of the Sony F65 (a true 4k camera), the establishment of the compact sized Red Epic and the demos of consumer 4k displays by more than one manufacturer at the last CES, this essentially represents the first year that the *industry-as-a-whole* has taken 4k seriously. In several weeks at the upcoming NAB expect to see some 4k exhibition stuff with people pushing the envelope like vendor(s) demo-ing real time 4K video streaming with H.264 codec….with 4K 10 bit RAW as the original source.

4kBD will just be one component of the 4k Revolution and, as the physical media home deliverable, will offer the best quality to consumers.

[Penton-Man]

I don’t necessarily think of this as being very ‘active’ – http://www.hbogo.com/#home/
Nor, even cnn.com for that matter.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

If you’re talking about the online article posted last December, yes, I’m familiar with it and, in fact, it was previously referenced either in the Club Penton thread awhile ago by DenonCI, or in one of the ‘4k’ proper threads we have here on the forum.

That article just scratches the surface as to the magnitude of the 4k Revolution. It will take some time, but 4k is going to be ubiquitous, as it is the future for motion picture capture, theatrical presentation and television…for all types of exhibition. Bandwidth won’t be a humongous hurdle because advanced codecs will enable files to get smaller even though resolution will increase.

4k will be one of the enabling agents contributing to the reduction of broadcast as broadband becomes more popular in the future because the display technology will turn the television into a computer and the computer into a television. HBOgo.com, in the future, will become more popular than HBO……and HBO knows it. ESPN.com, more popular than ESPN, and on and on, down the line.

Already, “ATSC 2.0 contemplates the marriage of broadcasting and the Internet” (http://www.atsc.org/cms/) but, with time, one of these ‘partners will become dominant with 4k being the flower girl or Maid of Honor, so-to-speak, in the ceremonial process. Given the recent introduction of the Sony F65 (a true 4k camera), the establishment of the compact sized Red Epic and the demos of consumer 4k displays by more than one manufacturer at the last CES, this essentially represents the first year that the *industry-as-a-whole* has taken 4k seriously. In several weeks at the upcoming NAB expect to see some 4k exhibition stuff with people pushing the envelope like vendor(s) demo-ing real time 4K video streaming with H.264 codec….with 4K 10 bit RAW as the original source.

4kBD will just be one component of the 4k Revolution and, as the physical media home deliverable, will offer the best quality to consumers.

Penton-man, could you explain the bit in bold in more detail please? I don't quite follow!

[Penton-Man]

Re: DenonCI– he is a regular contributor in the Club Penton thread, as I assume you already know.

Re: because the display technology will turn the television into a computer and the computer into a television – the consumer electronics companies are not just building ‘TVs’ but display devices that are not only designed to show broadcast images but, designed to distribute high resolution broadband images; however, my only personal interest is how 4k will be one component in that transformation.

Re: first…sorry, as I should have bolded *industry-at-large*. In other words, this year marks essentially the first year in which every step of the content acquisition to content distribution chain is capable of 4k (or, at least, upscaled 4k at home, so far)…with 4k TVs and projectors and a 4k upscaling Blu-ray player set to ship rather than just being *concept* device demos at CES.

And henceforth, every step in that industry-at-large chain….from image acquisition (4k cameras) to 4k digital post production pipelines to 4k home displays will, with time, ramp up from here and become cheaper. Basic infrastructure things like the price/gigabyte will continue to decrease. Regarding for 4k post production pipeline benefit, 6 terabyte drives that are capable of 1.5 gigabytes/sec are on the horizon which will make it decidedly easier for even small post houses to take on multiple 4k motion picture projects simultaneously…..which will produce more 4k content….which will eventually make it into consumers’ homes.

P.S.
Re: true 4k camera, search my thread for past postings on the F65 as I’ve got to run. It has to do with the sensor, which is the basic ingredient in what produces the image in a digital motion picture camera. Ask doctorossi as to its significance.....hint - considerable.

[Steedeel]

Thanks Penton-Man, i try to keep up!