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Old 01-12-2013, 02:36 AM   #701
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I hope they take the time and choose the right standards....
Sap, now’s your chance to put the consumer electronics industry on specific public notice, i.e. ….“We want HEVC Main 10 Profile as a standard in consumer video”


http://www.marketwatch.com/story/vix...evc-2013-01-07
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For those not following, listen to the lecture…

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Eh ^, I think Benjamin’s accent may make it too difficult to follow for some, especially given the dry subject content. In a nutshell, the Main Profile of HEVC is 4:2:0 chroma format, 8-bit sample bit depth, whereas

the Main 10 Profile is
4:2:0 chroma format, 8 to 10-bit sample bit depth.
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Old 01-12-2013, 02:49 AM   #704
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Patrick-Pierre says UHD is not 4K
True, but that is not an important concern.
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Old 01-12-2013, 02:55 AM   #705
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I agree with him but there are reasons why it's not true 4K that's explained really good in this post from AVS-

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1451171/wh...#post_22816160...
Hmm, I like that AVS guy. He reminds me of this past post I made from nearly one year ago (except he reversed the options which I had previously presented)…
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...op#post5724086

b.t.w. the correct answer to the past post was Door #2.
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Old 01-12-2013, 03:12 AM   #706
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...They're calling it 4K because it sounds good.
Undoubtedly, and as an added benefit it flows off the tongue easier, especially when talking fast.

I don’t care what the *official* CEA nomenclature is. When I write here about the next high rez format, more often than not, I will intentionally type 4K (only) for the sake of expediency.

When I desire to, I can become very pixel specific. But I don’t make a big deal out of it like the French dude in the YouTube clip, I only mention it as a passing aside….https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ow#post6392648
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Old 01-12-2013, 04:05 AM   #707
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The good thing is that 4K was undeniably ‘thee topic” of CES 2013. Several consumer electronics companies introduced 4K tvs (and not just behemoth sizes) and with all the inherent marketing spiel, they now have a substantial vested interest/investment in the format, i.e. UHD.
At the expense of 3D...so much so I've read no less than 3 articles in the past few days declaring the death of 3D.

I browsed Sony, Samsung, Sharp and Panasonic at CES this past week, some impressive demos. Samsung was showing off its 4K upconversion from 1080 sources...also a giant 110" display. They also showed a 3D solution. Sony was displaying their "native" 4K material and OLED. No word on what the sources were, except Netflix(!).

Unfortunately it had the same air as the 4K demo I saw at CES 2008, except more companies showing their hardware doing 4K rather than just Sony. Certainly not mainstream and in the public consciousness. Projection solutions also were noticeably absent.
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It will take glasses free technology to get the wagons rolling again. By that, I mean truly impressive glasses-free, not a makeshift solution. Maybe CES 2015 or 2016. 3D is just another feature now.
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Undoubtedly, and as an added benefit it flows off the tongue easier, especially when talking fast.

I don’t care what the *official* CEA nomenclature is. When I write here about the next high rez format, more often than not, I will intentionally type 4K (only) for the sake of expediency.

When I desire to, I can become very pixel specific. But I don’t make a big deal out of it like the French dude in the YouTube clip, I only mention it as a passing aside….https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ow#post6392648
So, what are we talking then? 200 pixels? I'll still take it any day of the week...
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Patrick-Pierre says UHD is not 4K-

Why UltraHD is not 4K - YouTube

I agree with him but there are reasons why it's not true 4K that's explained really good in this post from AVS-

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1451171/wh...#post_22816160

They're calling it 4K because it sounds good.
The guy in the video is a bumbling idiot.

Once you have decided that you want higher resolution in a TV then there are very good reasons to make it an exact multiple of what we already have (1920x1080).

Calling it 3.8K would just create even more consumer confusion. People have been hearing about 4K already in relation to digital cinema cameras etc.

Calling it 2160p means nothing to the average dumb consumer, just another number to remember.

4K is quick and snappy, easy to remember and since it is intended to mean 'approx' 4000 wide then it is close enough to being correct.
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At the expense of 3D...so much so I've read no less than 3 articles in the past few days declaring the death of 3D...
Well, I’ve been hanging out in the 3D forum posting… https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...49#post6994149

And reading.

With regards to the later, one of those articles which you might have read has been received by the 3D membership here as fightin words! ... https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=212398
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Old 01-13-2013, 06:38 PM   #712
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...I browsed Sony, Samsung, Sharp and Panasonic at CES this past week, some impressive demos. Samsung was showing off its 4K upconversion from 1080 sources...also a giant 110" display. They also showed a 3D solution. Sony was displaying their "native" 4K material and OLED. No word on what the sources were, except Netflix(!).

Unfortunately it had the same air as the 4K demo I saw at CES 2008, except more companies showing their hardware doing 4K rather than just Sony. Certainly not mainstream and in the public consciousness. Projection solutions also were noticeably absent.
You missed mentioning or possibly seeing the really BIG thing at CES 2013…Jay at the 17 sec. mark -

http://www.nbc.com/the-tonight-show/...-part-2/n31469
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Unfortunately it had the same air as the 4K demo I saw at CES 2008, except more companies showing their hardware doing 4K rather than just Sony. Certainly not mainstream and in the public consciousness. Projection solutions also were noticeably absent.
Projection solutions are usually announced weeks before CEDIA, shown at & around CEDIA
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Small portable and marketable, just need to store more than 1TB

Here you go

Quite expensive.
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Seems REDRAY threads have recently taken over the Blu-ray Technology and News forum….
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...=212338&page=2

Even by junior membership with provocatively entitled threads…
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=212760

And yet, still no news out of Sundance regarding 4K content. Just wondering if there is one person on this entire forum who has a pre-order in for the REDRAY player.
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Old 01-15-2013, 04:20 AM   #716
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It will take glasses free technology to get the wagons rolling again. By that, I mean truly impressive glasses-free...
No technological problemo when you have a confluence of current technology and current events for truly impressive glasses-free 3D with superb positive parallax (https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ax#post4812947 )

Glasses-free 3D demo last night in the environs of L.A. (watch through the end of the 47 sec. clip)…

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Projection solutions are usually announced weeks before CEDIA, shown at & around CEDIA
yup, every year CES becomes less and less interesting.
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^ As far as forks go, everyone at CES was talking about the Happi fork… http://www.frequency.com/video/happi...15341/-/5-9574

But, I agree. Smart chopsticks would have been much more interesting, at least personally to me, as I know that eating Chinese so often is where I put on the weight. On a more serious note, I think an interesting demo was the reading of newspaper text on side-by-side 4k vs. 1080p 86” displays from ~ 7 ft. away…

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^ P.S.
b.t.w., the Linus Tech commentator in the YouTube clip is correct in that, with sports, we are looking at 1080p for the foreseeable future and he is astute in his frame rate assertion, albeit only scratching the surface as to all the specific reasons why? You see, as one increases resolution, the rate of panning must be reduced in order to keep the blurring of the image under control. So if the crew shoots in 4K, they’ll be compelled to slow down their panning…not good for trying to keep up with a fast action sport where someone is running down the field or basketball court.

Also, even without panning involved, it’s best to keep a small difference between the static and dynamic resolution, i.e. balance them; otherwise, the 4K images with subjects running won’t look as lifelike. Hey, remember Hobbit HFR haters, we’re shooting live action sports here now.

So, when you go to a higher static resolution (4K over HD), you are also compelled to increase the dynamic resolution and one does that by shooting at higher frame rates than with traditional HD sports acquisition. Optimally, I think it best to shoot at 300fps (when high-end 4K cameras eventually achieve that feature in true 4K) and display the images at higher fps than currently, barring that, 300fps is also easy to downconvert to 50Hz (interlace field rate), 25Hz (progressive), and 59.94-based formats, which should also have a beneficial effect.

See this published BBC paper for further details..
http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/rd/pubs/w...les/WHP209.pdf

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Heads-up to local SoCal folks, this event is FREE, tomorrow and it applicable to the equivalent of both ‘2K’ as well as ‘4K’ finished motion pictures…http://www.globalcinematography.com/index.html

I’m asked that you please RSVP at info@globalcinematography.com < better late than never, I guess.
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