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![]() http://whysoblu.com/a-talk-with-disn...tion-of-dumbo/ For short: Cell dust really is just dust on the cells: "But anyway, we wind up – once we have those digital images, there is an automated dust-busting process that we refer to. It’s a dust-busting with – it removes a lot of the ancillary dirt and whatnot automatically. And then we’re going in on a regular basis and reviewing parts of various reels of the film at a time. And we are calling out various other aspects, artifacts, and anomalies that need to be taken care of. Those include – aside from the dust and dirt – fingerprints that may have been on the cells, cell shimmers, what we refer to as Newton rings, when you press several layers of acetate cells together, you get these rainbow rings that can get photographed in, cell scratches." And Paint crawl is: "Yes, one of the big things about the early Disney features is that – and a lot of people don’t realize this – but the studio itself had its own paint lab, and they mixed their own paints, which meant that they had a binder and they had pigments and they had a formula, and they would mix these paints up. And some of those pigments were better than others from the standpoint of stability. One of the problems that we encountered on “Dumbo” is that there’s large color areas of the elephants. There was a lot of what we referred to as paint crawl. And, really, what was happening with the paint was that certain colors – the pigment and binder – would separate if they weren’t continuously being stirred. And so you wind up putting the paint down on a cell, and when that cell dries, there’s almost an imperceptible streaking, if you will, from the brushing – from the brush and the brush application — of the paint. On an individual cell, you can maybe pick it up a little bit if it’s really bad, but you can actually see it when you see a sequence of cells play by at 24 frames a second. And so that was one of the big areas that we had to deal with, was the amount of paint crawl, because in some of the scenes, the paint crawl was really bad. And when you’re showing a pristine image, it was magnified, because there was less grain in the image. You know, years ago, when they did a release print that was a couple generations away from the negative, the paint crawl wasn’t as prevalent." |
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I just discovered this thread!
Thank you for your contributions! I have one favour to ask: Can anyone please make a comparison of Beauty and the Beast between the VHS (or LaserDisc) and Bluray? (especially the initial morning scene, and the light that goes in from the bookshop's window) Yes, i have said it multiple times, that it's the most hideous "restoration" in a Disney animation film, and though the film is my favourite of all time, I still have a problem buying the Bluray. Yes I know it got approved by the creators, and they used the original CAPS and all that. But still, the film changed radically! If anyone wants I can provide screenshots of the Laserdisc. I don't have the Bluray. edit: wow! I just saw screenshot comparisons of the 2d and 3d Bluray, and it seems the 3d is closer to the original look! Not quite of course, but it's better than the 2d. http://www.dvdizzy.com/forum/viewtop...=597793#597793 http://www.dvdizzy.com/forum/viewtop...=600419#600419 Last edited by filmmusic; 02-06-2013 at 11:04 PM. |
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I know no one cares, but I made two comparisons from Mickey's Rival and How to Play Football
How to Play Football: ![]() How to Play Football Restoration by puppyjonathan, on Flickr Mickey's Rival: ![]() Mickey's Rival Restoration by puppyjonathan, on Flickr Both reveal alot more picture, and How to Play Football has some different color tones, but it probably can only be noticed by a sharp eye. On Mickey's Rival, colors are (pretty much) the same, but boy does this look beautiful! If you go on my "Disney Shorts on Bluray" thread I have the video posted, and I think this is the best restoration Disney has ever done (Bravo!). You can still see hairs, and small film artifacts. It looks completley sharp and I think this is what every short should look like. Sorry to waste your time, carry on ![]() |
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well. now THAT'S a restoration!!! No radical change of colors!
I wish it would be the same with Beauty and the Beast. By the way, where were those shorts released in Bluray? I don't understand why they don't make a collection, as with the Looney Tunes and Tom & Jerry Blurays! |
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here, i posted over at DVDizzy, some screenshot comparisons of Beauty and the Beast between LaserDisc (left) and 3d Bluray (right).
This is one of my favourite scenes and I like how the light is used in the film! The effect is totally vanished in the Bluray. ![]() and in this one, the perspective caused by the shadows in the lights, is lost in the 3d Bluray (and of course the Bluray) up: publicity still? middle: 3d Bluray down: LaserDisc ![]() Last edited by filmmusic; 02-08-2013 at 01:46 AM. |
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of course the BLuray looks sharper and has an excellent quality overall. I don't have any objection to this. My discussion is only about the colors. The colors are a very important element ESPECIALLY in animation films, and such radical changes, change the whole aesthetics of the film. (eg. the initial bright morning scene now seems to me as late afternoon) For me who grew up with Beauty and the Beast and is my favourite film of all time and I know it by heart, the Bluray (the colors specifically) make it look like a cheap direct-to-DVD Disney sequel which has lost all its magic and romantic feel, due to the loss of shadows, over-saturated colors, radical changes in colors etc etc.. eg. how would you feel, if Disney gave you in a Bluray this? ![]() the screenshot comparison you posted above, is an excellent restoration, and that is how it should be done always! Anyway, the 3d Bluray looks a bit better than the 2d bluray (i mean some things were corrected and are more true to the theatrical presentation like Belle's hair, Gaston's clothes etc..), but still, it's 3d. Last edited by filmmusic; 02-08-2013 at 07:47 PM. |
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![]() I took your comparison between LD and 3D-BD and added the same screenshots of my VHS and BD, so... enjoy!... ![]() [Show spoiler] If you ask me, I think the LD is slightly too bright and cold, the BD is very warm, a bit much I would say and the 3D-BD is just weird; I've never seen such a yellow sky, except caused by pollution... ![]() ![]() |
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Thank you very much!
That's excellent comparison! Well the brightness and stuff can be easily fixed in any TV/monitor. the things that can't be fixed are the colors! Yes, the VHS has exceptional colors!! A Bluray with that color palette would be a dream come true for me!! Last edited by filmmusic; 02-09-2013 at 11:26 PM. |
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I'm not quite getting what you're trying to do here. The LD looks too bright and washed out in comparison.
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Another thing that no one has mentioned is that the restoration has completely destroyed the line hierarchy.
To give it that 3D effect and make it look like it is interacting with the background animation is constructed in a series of fat, thin and tapered lines. You can clearly see in the VHS grabs that there is a hierarchy of lines but in the BLU grabs all the lines have been standardised and are all the same thickness. This is why it now looks like the characters are floating in front of the background and also why when you have character face close ups it has that awkward blobbing together look. They have taken what used to be incredibly sophisticated animation and reduced it to Saturday morning cartoon quality. In the end Disney are really cutting their own throat with this. Even if people are still buying their stuff in droves out of fond memory for - rightly so - how good these movies originally were they are going to lose the next generation who believe that Disney was never that great based on the extremely substandard PQ which is being sold as definitive. |
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