4K Movies Releases

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by saprano

AVS has been invited to Sony's PS4 announcement tomorrow-
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1458706/av...bruary-20-2013

Why wasn't this site invited?
And i'm guessing since a HT site was invited there's going to be HT related announcements. 4K?

Max(one of our moderators) was to attend the event, which I assume he was able. Ergo, I hope his intended coverage and your guys’ viewing of the live streaming went well. Not much of a gamer myself. I’m more of a movie man.

In regards to your 4K query, of course PS4 will be 4K playback capable as I already mentioned that several months ago either on my Insider’s Thread or here on this very thread near the beginning. Seriously, do you think Sony would be dumb enough NOT to capitalize on the opportunity for inclusion of 4K support for 4K movies with the PS4? Was that ever of internet forum debate here or elsewhere ? I mean I can see such concepts as re-convergence of D-Cinema source for Blu-ray masters being of some consumer conjecture without Inside knowledge…https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ks#post7147792

b.t.w., that post ^ reminds me, when I get around to it, I should relate to folks here what other Studio’s philosophy (or, at least past practice) is regarding the ifs and whys of re-converging theatrical (D-Cinema) 3D movies for the home 3D versions…

back to the topic at hand, but really, 4K support for 2D movies with the PS4 should have been/be of no doubt prior to any *official announcement*. Sap, I think you’re joking with me.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Esox50

Penton-Man,

Been a long time. With today's Game of Thrones Blu-Ray release, I got to wondering given how stupendous these discs look. Is this show shot in 4K (for an eventual release)? I looked up and saw they used ARRI Alexa camera for season 2. I went to the website, and it looks like it does 2K & 4K, so I'm unsure.

For season 1, other than the crypt scene which was shot on film, How did they shoot season 1?

Thanks,
Esox

Esox, how are you ? This summer, I’m headed to the environs of Chicago, i.e. Lombard and Aurora vicinity.

Unfortunately, I missed the Feb. 2013 SMPTE section meeting (in Hollywood, of course) which covered the production and post production of that hit series. Off the top of my head, without checking, I think that Season 1 and 2 were both shot with Arri Alexas (anyone feel free to chime in and rebut/correct) and those devices are not 4K cameras but, that doesn’t necessarily mean the imagery doesn’t look fabulous, e.g. Skyfall - http://www.latimes.com/entertainment...,5550659.story

Looking forward to finding out the Academy award winner for Best Cinematography this weekend.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

http://www.broadcastingcable.com/art...s_Coverage.php

More 4K material coming, as well as a FCC permission for a station out east to start broadcasting a UHD signal.

You missed your favorite sport… http://www.televisual.com/news-detai..._nid-2533.html

Just kidding with the sport . Peter, I’m not sure if you have the capability at work, but in case you indeed do, the following material is all under the Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 license, which means it can be viewed, distributed and reused freely for both private and commercial use.

Scroll down and open the file titled ‘liner-exr’ where you’ll find 4K linear Open EXR files decoded from the raw mxf output of a Sony F65 camera…
http://media.xiph.org/mango/

^ from the sci-fi Tears of Steel… http://mango.blender.org/

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

...4k...

People , if not for yourself… at least do it for the sake of the children!
http://www.digitalspy.com/tech/news/...creen.html?rss

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

We shall see.

Go down to p.34 where you see the waterfalls and mouse scroll through the simulations…. http://tech.ebu.ch/docs/events/webin...dHD_update.pdf

Point being, so far, EBU testing with HEVC codec has shown slight detail loss at 10 Mbps compared to uncompressed source. So, no matter what be the ultimate 4K delivery method, if one can achieve the codec equivalent of HEVC@10Mbps (or perhaps no lower than 8) I don’t think there will be any complaints by home theater enthusiasts for being cheated out of any potential 4K PQ.

[Penton-Man]

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/new...l-shoot-422464

^ At the end of the article, point being, if one is shooting a TV episode/series (or feature film for that matter), it’s best to finish it in 4K from the get-go even if you’re planning for the immediate future to exhibit it only in HD because if you ever decide to go back and remaster in 4K, it will cost substantially more to do so.

As a 3D (2K) aside to those number crunchers out there who are reading, something which was not mentioned during any of the presentations (it seems HPA attendees are not much interested in 3D nor, amongst other things, Windows 8) is that stereoscopic 3D TV can be produced on a 2D production schedule with only a minimal increase in costs (which has to be weighed against the added production value of 3D distributed content). This concept has been proven with actual shooting of at least a couple of 2D/3D episodes.

[Penton-Man]

To inquiring minds…yes, some attendees at the retreat were talking about “the lawsuit”, around the pool, terrace and such.

Most enlightened comment…”if RED really wants to win and this filing is not the extension of some sophisticated manipulation of the fools in the patent office, then they should hire “the giant-slayer” , Morgan Chu, because in the past, Mr. Chu has beaten into submission the likes of Sony, Microsoft and Samsung.”

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Mr. Chu

^
http://beforeitsnews.com/global-unre...u-2448442.html

http://www.irell.com/professionals-22.html

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by R3P0

...The problem I see with this is its either 1 of 2 things, the apple approach, which if it is I hope to god Sony counter sues the hell out of this guy for costs and defamation. Or 2 He has a legitimate complaint, which if it is, I hope to god this guy gets what he deserves from Sony....

Eh, I now notice that the RED forum administrator(s) have closed the patent infringement lawsuit discussion thread. I suspect they feel there is now no perceived value to keeping it open.

Well, I guess until there is a Markman hearing to discover the exact claim construction they’ll put forward for patenting *the idea* of RAW compression of image acquisition for resolutions > HD, those in the 4K peanut gallery are left with thinking about whether someone wearing sexy Red high heels already has, or will, slip on a banana peel…. http://www.edwardswildman.com/files/upload/mistakes.pdf

R3PO, I completely agree with you , I’d also like to see some robust lawyer-ing with this issue because the whole thing has gargantuan ramifications .

[saprano]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Max(one of our moderators) was to attend the event, which I assume he was able. Ergo, I hope his intended coverage and your guys’ viewing of the live streaming went well. Not much of a gamer myself. I’m more of a movie man.

In regards to your 4K query, of course PS4 will be 4K playback capable as I already mentioned that several months ago either on my Insider’s Thread or here on this very thread near the beginning. Seriously, do you think Sony would be dumb enough NOT to capitalize on the opportunity for inclusion of 4K support for 4K movies with the PS4? Was that ever of internet forum debate here or elsewhere ? I mean I can see such concepts as re-convergence of D-Cinema source for Blu-ray masters being of some consumer conjecture without Inside knowledge…https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ks#post7147792

b.t.w., that post ^ reminds me, when I get around to it, I should relate to folks here what other Studio’s philosophy (or, at least past practice) is regarding the ifs and whys of re-converging theatrical (D-Cinema) 3D movies for the home 3D versions…

back to the topic at hand, but really, 4K support for 2D movies with the PS4 should have been/be of no doubt prior to any *official announcement*. Sap, I think you’re joking with me.

Well i was just surprised to see no mention of it. And yes there were many doubts across the net. Even more doubts now since they never said anything about it at the Playstation 4 meeting.

So is this going to be through streaming, downloads, or disc? I would hope they will give details about in the future. Maby at E3.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Go down to p.34 where you see the waterfalls and mouse scroll through the simulations…. http://tech.ebu.ch/docs/events/webin...dHD_update.pdf

Point being, so far, EBU testing with HEVC codec has shown slight detail loss at 10 Mbps compared to uncompressed source. So, no matter what be the ultimate 4K delivery method, if one can achieve the codec equivalent of HEVC@10Mbps (or perhaps no lower than 8) I don’t think there will be any complaints by home theater enthusiasts for being cheated out of any potential 4K PQ.

Thanks, good stuff.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by saprano

Well i was just surprised to see no mention of it. And yes there were many doubts across the net. Even more doubts now since they never said anything about it at the Playstation 4 meeting.

So is this going to be through streaming, downloads, or disc? I would hope they will give details about in the future. Maby at E3.

Yes, I too was surprised that it was not mentioned. Especially considering the media centre role of current consoles.

[saprano]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Yes, I too was surprised that it was not mentioned. Especially considering the media centre role of current consoles.

Speaking of media center; did you know the PS4 won't be able to play CD's? Sony is removing that feature from PS4. It has been there since PS1 and now they decide to stop supporting it. I'm wondering what other multimedia feature they're going to remove. People have been saying MS is the one who is going to have a much more multimedia focused console than sony with their next system this time around. Which is ironic.

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by saprano

Speaking of media center; did you know the PS4 won't be able to play CD's? Sony is removing that feature from PS4. It has been there since PS1 and now they decide to stop supporting it. I'm wondering what other multimedia feature they're going to remove. People have been saying MS is the one who is going to have a much more multimedia focused console than sony with their next system this time around. Which is ironic.

the f??? they're gonna stop supporting CD's? that's freaking bizarre considering how still readily popular they are

[KRW1]

I'm going to assume no SACD support then.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by saprano

Speaking of media center; did you know the PS4 won't be able to play CD's? Sony is removing that feature from PS4. It has been there since PS1 and now they decide to stop supporting it. I'm wondering what other multimedia feature they're going to remove. People have been saying MS is the one who is going to have a much more multimedia focused console than sony with their next system this time around. Which is ironic.

What a odd development. Where did you hear that, if I may ask?

[Aquel]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

What a odd development. Where did you hear that, if I may ask?

IGN states it: http://www.ign.com/wikis/playstation...ion_4_Can_Play

The source of IGN is a Japanese tweet so it is kinda hard to confirm

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Aquel

IGN states it: http://www.ign.com/wikis/playstation...ion_4_Can_Play

The source of IGN is a Japanese tweet so it is kinda hard to confirm

Thanks

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by wormraper

the f??? they're gonna stop supporting CD's? that's freaking bizarre considering how still readily popular they are

I don't get the big deal. CD is so Ubiquitous that I doubt anyone used a PS3 to listen to theior CDs and doubt it even more that anyone would use the PS4. Now SACD can almost understand someone making a big deal about the loss but even then my guess that it would affect very few people

[Lnds500]

It's true that most people never use PS3s to play CD but still... The have Blu-ray playback. How hard could it be to implement CD playback?