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Old 02-11-2013, 11:17 AM   #181
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Um, I'm not sure how to respond to that, I know I would be hurt if that happened. At the same time I'm just surprised they still used all those changes from the IMAX version to now, how did you feel about the Platinum dvd?
The DVD was even worse than the Bluray.

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I'm not quite getting what you're trying to do here. The LD looks too bright and washed out in comparison.
The brightness or a slight difference in saturation isn't the issue here.
if you'd like, look at the screenshots from the VHS posted by Freddy (in the spoiler), which are less bright and washed out than the Laserdisc. (that is only due to the transfer)
The issue is a radical change of colors and a whole new color palette!
From a white-pink sky originally to an orange-yellow in the BLurays (and DVD), making the bright morning look like a late afternoon.

If you first saw Beauty and the Beast on DVD, or if it's not one of your favourite films, of course you won't mind. (i wouldn't mind eg. if they changed the colors in "Adventures of Winnie the pooh".
But because it is my favourite film of al time, and i saw it first at the cinema, saw the TV documentaries before that, collected screenshots from magazines etc, and then saw it on VHS and know it by heart, I do mind a lot with such radical changes!

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Old 02-11-2013, 03:45 PM   #182
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Another thing that no one has mentioned is that the restoration has completely destroyed the line hierarchy.

To give it that 3D effect and make it look like it is interacting with the background animation is constructed in a series of fat, thin and tapered lines. You can clearly see in the VHS grabs that there is a hierarchy of lines but in the BLU grabs all the lines have been standardised and are all the same thickness. This is why it now looks like the characters are floating in front of the background and also why when you have character face close ups it has that awkward blobbing together look.
Interested in what you're saying, but not knowing what exactly you mean, can you tell me where it is that you're seeing these differences? As those thumbnails are too small to say anything about line thickness, I can then show you those mentioned spots in real size, to see if the problem is really there.
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Old 02-11-2013, 09:37 PM   #183
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The issue is a radical change of colors and a whole new color palette!
From a white-pink sky originally to an orange-yellow in the BLurays (and DVD), making the bright morning look like a late afternoon.
Keep in mind you're going from the limited NTSC color gamut to REC709 HD. Colors can look strikingly different and truer to the original source. So unless you have some direct CAPS-source to compare can we be sure that the BD isn't what it's supposed to be? There are all sorts of movies on LD that were horribly wrong in both color timing, gamma, and other things that weren't fixed until the DVD or BD versions came out, but people protested the change because it wasn't what they were used to all these years.
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Old 02-11-2013, 10:16 PM   #184
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Keep in mind you're going from the limited NTSC color gamut to REC709 HD. Colors can look strikingly different and truer to the original source.
Not saying anything, just keeping the facts straight: my screenshots are from a PAL VHS. The LD could be NTSC, but it could also be PAL. I don't know.
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Old 02-11-2013, 10:32 PM   #185
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Not saying anything, just keeping the facts straight: my screenshots are from a PAL VHS. The LD could be NTSC, but it could also be PAL. I don't know.
PAL will still have similar color range limitations compared to HD.
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Old 02-22-2013, 01:15 AM   #186
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I made two more comparisons!

Brave Little Tailor Restoration by puppyjonathan, on Flickr

Society Dog Show Restoration by puppyjonathan, on Flickr
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Old 02-27-2013, 05:08 PM   #187
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36) Mulan (1998)


- This might be the sharpest-looking CAPS film I've seen. I may be mistaken, but the line-art is incredibly defined and detailed.
- Colours remain the same
- The are slight hints of aliasing in the ghosts' scene (check the screenshot). It must be a source issue cause not all of them have it.
- Video quality gets a 4,5/5 from me


Comparison Index:
DVD Special Edition (2004): DVD SE
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Old 02-27-2013, 05:19 PM   #188
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^ Is the DVD 1080 upscaled?
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Old 02-27-2013, 05:20 PM   #189
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^ Is the DVD 1080 upscaled?
No, I just put the player in fullscreen and took a shot. It makes it easier to compare it to the Blu-ray.
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Old 02-27-2013, 07:39 PM   #190
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Is that the correct aspect ratio?

Nice job on the comparison though Looks neat! Another 90s classic that becomes a flawless visual treat in 1080p, following the footsteps of BatB, TLK and Pocahontas.
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Old 02-27-2013, 07:48 PM   #191
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Is that the correct aspect ratio?
Define "correct". It's the ratio the film was animated in and it's the best ratio we've gotten in home video (picture-quantity-wise). We don't know if there is more picture than that to fill the gaps to the sides. I'm just glad they didn't crop this one as well and we get to see more of the frame.

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Define "correct". It's the ratio the film was animated in and it's the best ratio we've gotten in home video (picture-quantity-wise). We don't know if there is more picture than that to fill the gaps to the sides. I'm just glad they didn't crop this one as well and we get to see more of the frame.



Thanks!
That's what I meant, that the crop is accurate. I thought Mulan was regular widescreen, but as long as the original crop is retained I'm fine with black bars.
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Old 02-27-2013, 08:00 PM   #193
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Nice to see the original 1:66:1 aspect ratio and it'll be nice to see the blue castle logo (although not blue) again. With Disney's recent track record, I was afraid that both would be altered (to the 1:75:1 aspect ratio and the current CGI castle), as they did with Beauty and the Beast and The Lion King.

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Old 02-28-2013, 12:02 AM   #194
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Glad I wasn't the only one who noticed the aliasing in the ghosts, but the lines look so inky
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Old 02-28-2013, 06:54 AM   #195
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Glad I wasn't the only one who noticed the aliasing in the ghosts, but the lines look so inky
I checked it out too and wow, that's some heavy aliasing!
Oh well, if it's just the one scene that has it, I will hardly notice in motion.
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Old 03-02-2013, 10:37 PM   #196
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36) Mulan (1998)


- This might be the sharpest-looking CAPS film I've seen. I may be mistaken, but the line-art is incredibly defined and detailed.
- Colours remain the same
I agree, it looks great! Way to go, Disney! And of course, thanks again Lnds500!
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Old 03-11-2013, 11:48 PM   #197
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31) Aladdin (1992)

- The aspect ratio should be close to 1,85:1 on Blu-ray. The picture has tiny black bars on the sides
- The DVD has more image on top and bottom
- The Blu-ray has more image to the sides.

Comparison Index:
DVD Special Edition (2004): DVD SE
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I doubt it's edge enhancement. It looks more like overshoot artefacts (which look similar) from whatever scaling algorithm was used to get it down to 1920x1080.

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Old 03-12-2013, 12:56 AM   #198
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Thanks again for the comparison Lnds500!

But I'm not that sure about this release:

- first, those tiny black bars on the sides simply indicate an error; they should not be there;
- second, a whole lot more picture is lost from the top and bottom than there is gained on the sides. And for what reason?... More black on the top and bottom that should not be there;
- and finally, there are serious edge enhancement issues around all the character lines.

What a shame, because color, contrast and especially sharpness are excellent!
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I also updated the Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh comparison wih pictures from the Blu-ray.


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Thanks again for the comparison Lnds500!

But I'm not that sure about this release:

- first, those tiny black bars on the sides simply indicate an error; they should not be there;
- second, a whole lot more picture is lost from the top and bottom than there is gained on the sides. And for what reason?... More black on the top and bottom that should not be there;
- and finally, there are serious edge enhancement issues around all the character lines.

What a shame, because color, contrast and especially sharpness are excellent!
Where did you see the edge enhancement issues? I didn't notice any. The aspect ratio is indeed weird.
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Old 03-12-2013, 01:29 AM   #200
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The bluray of Aladdin has some edge enhancement, fading lines, soft lines, and aliasing around Iago's eye, and just noticed banding on the jewel of Jafar's headpiece (on the screenshot with him
[Show spoiler]putting the beatle back together)
. Shame, Aladdin is one of the best looking movies
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