4K Movies Releases

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Well, we want UHD-1 to progress in terms of improved picture and audio quality….most assuredly to settle out at something better than 8-bit 4k @ 60fps, *non-immersive* audio...

In contradistinction to ‘immersive audio’ - http://www.itu.int/net/pressoffice/p...x#.UqDRqcRDuSo

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Paul.R.S

Re ^^ Is it your surmise/understanding that there is as much of a divide as you mention in your fourth para ("Sure, everyone wants . . .") over the other matter of going to market with a format based on "ultimate 4k" standards versus "vanilla 4k"? FWIW my sense of it is that by the time debates over "ultimate 4k" parameters as you've described them get resolved much less a standard codified, the ship may have sailed even farther from port on packaged media entirely.

Well, I think that the staunchest Blu-ray supporters will reluctantly acknowledge that the advancement of time is not working in packaged media’s favor…as opposed to competition from other forms of home delivery for 4k movie content which will become more and more refined (e.g. convenient) in the years to come.

But, I still think there’s enough time for the process of locking in at least some sort of superior spec for a next generation (4k) Blu-ray format and for that higher quality media to be brought to market in order to make a worthwhile profit for the stakeholders. The question becomes how ‘higher’ a quality will the spec turn out to be.

Worst case scenario, there’s always quick and dirty (4k 8-bit 4:2:0 Blu-ray) if consolidative agreement is unduly delayed and packaged media stakeholders are feeling pressure that their *window* is closing.

[Penton-Man]

Off topic for a minute (well, maybe a little related to the 4k movement -if people are smart).

Tomorrow will be, I predict, the most watched lottery in history. Anyone know what I’m referring to?

[singhcr]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Off topic for a minute (well, maybe a little related to the 4k movement -if people are smart).

Tomorrow will be, I predict, the most watched lottery in history. Anyone know what I’m referring to?

The World Cup group draw?

I hope the US won't get the group of death with Brazil and Spain or something like that.

[singhcr]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

In contradistinction to ‘immersive audio’ - http://www.itu.int/net/pressoffice/p...x#.UqDRqcRDuSo

Is this like Dolby Atmos where you can assign sounds to a certain region near the viewer and not be tied to making discrete speaker assignments like traditional sound mixing?

[posthaste]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Well, I think that the staunchest Blu-ray supporters will reluctantly acknowledge that the advancement of time is not working in packaged media’s favor…as opposed to competition from other forms of home delivery for 4k movie content which will become more and more refined (e.g. convenient) in the years to come.

What's working in favor of optical media are the ISP usage caps being rolled out. Unless you mean getting 4K content through a cable company's On Demand-type feature. They seem to be intent on using these caps to quash
4K Internet streaming.

http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/C...Further-126859

[Penton-Man]

File this under other consumer audio/video websites….eventually ‘getting it’ -

From last April*
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ar#post7368995

Anyway, yesterday –
http://www.engadget.com/2013/12/05/d...-to-your-tele/

At this time, we shant go into more detail regarding the current SMPTE project working to define an expanded luminance range for next generation entertainment content (with a proposal from Dolby), but suffice to say, all this stuff is related toward bringing more life-like images to peoples' displays.

P.S.
*Seems the attached pic comparing HDR and LDR displays and the human visual system (HVS) has expired, unfortunately for those who missed it.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by singhcr

The World Cup group draw?
I hope the US won't get the group of death with Brazil and Spain or something like that.

Correcto-mundo….and it could be short World Cup for the U.S.

The only way I see us getting through is if Cristiano Ronaldo doesn’t play, or perhaps plays injured next June. But stranger things have happened than the U.S.A. getting out of a Group of 4 including Germany, Portugal and Ghana….which is why they play da game.

P.S.
Steed, Geoff, etc. I’d say you guys have a better shot at going through than us Yanks.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by singhcr

Is this like Dolby Atmos where you can assign sounds to a certain region near the viewer and not be tied to making discrete speaker assignments like traditional sound mixing?

Don’t know much more about it than what’s in the press release. Keep in mind my wife (perhaps correctly) claims I'm pretty much "deef" in one ear.

[Paul.R.S]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Well, I think that the staunchest Blu-ray supporters will reluctantly acknowledge that the advancement of time is not working in packaged media’s favor…as opposed to competition from other forms of home delivery for 4k movie content which will become more and more refined (e.g. convenient) in the years to come.

But, I still think there’s enough time for the process of locking in at least some sort of superior spec for a next generation (4k) Blu-ray format and for that higher quality media to be brought to market in order to make a worthwhile profit for the stakeholders. The question becomes how ‘higher’ a quality will the spec turn out to be.

Worst case scenario, there’s always quick and dirty (4k 8-bit 4:2:0 Blu-ray) if consolidative agreement is unduly delayed and packaged media stakeholders are feeling pressure that their *window* is closing.

Thanks for comments.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

P.S.
Steed, Geoff, etc. I’d say you guys have a better shot at going through than us Yanks.

Hah! Italy will be a tough nut to crack and Uruguay are a typically rough, uncompromising South American team with the attacking flair of guys like Forlan and Suarez. Then there's Costa Rica. If we're lucky we'll win that game at least. Not only that, we've got a 3,300 mile round trip from our Rio base to play that opening game against the Italians, and the English do not travel well.

I can't believe how jammy the French were, scraping through the playoff by the skin of their teeth and then they get handed a plum draw like that. Lucky bastards.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Paul.R.S

Thanks for comments.

Dude, us peeps from Hollyweird have gots to stick together.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Hah! Italy will be a tough nut to crack and Uruguay are a typically rough, uncompromising South American team with the attacking flair of guys like Forlan and Suarez. Then there's Costa Rica. If we're lucky we'll win that game at least. Not only that, we've got a 3,300 mile round trip from our Rio base to play that opening game against the Italians, and the English do not travel well.

I can't believe how jammy the French were, scraping through the playoff by the skin of their teeth and then they get handed a plum draw like that. Lucky bastards.

Belgium made out very well too….and they’ve got some serious talent.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

File this under other consumer audio/video websites….eventually ‘getting it’ -

From last April*
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ar#post7368995

Anyway, yesterday –
http://www.engadget.com/2013/12/05/d...-to-your-tele/

At this time, we shant go into more detail regarding the current SMPTE project working to define an expanded luminance range for next generation entertainment content (with a proposal from Dolby), but suffice to say, all this stuff is related toward bringing more life-like images to peoples' displays.

P.S.
*Seems the attached pic comparing HDR and LDR displays and the human visual system (HVS) has expired, unfortunately for those who missed it.

Here’s the same pic (slide) for those who missed it first time around -
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...an#post8182385

[Penton-Man]

From bar graphs to online magazine articles for gentler reading in order to grasp the concept - http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/beh...-not-be-636485

Now, what general HDR research did the Dolby exec not share with The Hollywood Reporter ^, you ask? Well, there have been years of research involving work with HDR which honestly (due to perceptual side-effects, boosted black levels, clipping, contrast changes, tone scale changes, etc.) have made this technology hard to *get right*. For just one example, brighter images, unfortunately, also show contouring and compression artifacts more readily. Past research using such things as varying code values vs. varying backlight brightness has attempted to overcome these side effects.

Anyway, Dolby believes it’s onto the right formula, so to speak, in order to avoid the nasty side effects shown with previous studies and have performed at least one experiment in that regard. Basically, the goal of the experiment was to determine what viewers’ desired in an HDR display in terms of parameters like highlights, diffuse white maximum, black level, etc. The study group consisted of 34 participants. For highlights, the viewer preference averaged 3800 cd/m2 , with the upper 10% actually preferring as high as 20,000 cd/m2 . For diffuse white maximum, the average preference for indoor scenes was 500 cd/m2 , outdoor scenes was 1000 cd/m2 with the upper 10% actually preferring 2000 cd/m2 for indoor and 4700 cd/m2 for outdoor.

Bottom line, Dolby testing (using Dolby’s HDR research display with Dolby’s processed image signals) showed viewers preferred levels significantly beyond those available with today’s home or theatrical displays. These findings led to the conclusion that these results are robust to future hardware capabilities in displays….and alas we have the article from a couple days ago by the consumer publication, engadget -
http://www.engadget.com/2013/12/05/d...-to-your-tele/


P.S.
1 cd/m2 = 1 nit, for those more familiar with the later term.

[Penton-Man]

DCP for American Hustle

Feature Run Time: 2:17:51
Image Format: 4K 4096x1716 (scope)
File Size: 158 GB
Audio Format: 5.1

[Penton-Man]

So, given we’re back to Digital Cinema ^, but for a tie-in to Blu-ray movies, some thought-provoked minds might ponder a….

Question - ’Since a lot of films are mastered in DCI P3 space (a-la Ender’s Game, watch starting at ~ 16 ½ min. mark of this fine clip by Michael - http://vimeo.com/78581143) for those unfamiliar with post production and deliverables).

And since time is money , ‘How long does it actually take a colorist at a post house to convert Digital Cinema P3 to rec709 (Blu-ray) for a Blu-ray master?

Multiple choice answer -

A. The colorist only needs to flip a switch on the magic machine, so it’s painless, brainless and not really a big deal. Minimal processing time.
B. Best to count on needing about 2 days.
C. ^ Two days? Hell no, at least 2 weeks would be more like it.
D. Penton, I have no freakin idea what you’re talking about, but I like the geeky Blu-ray deliverable discourse much more than you commenting about the most beautiful game (soccer) in 4K or otherwise. And who the hell is ‘the Arsenal’?
E. I aint responding , but I can’t help myself from at least reading this post as I am one of the silent lurkers who’ve moved this thread beyond the ¼ million viewer mark - https://forum.blu-ray.com/forumdisplay.php?f=24 despite the fact that, overall, there have been relatively few motion pictures finished in 4K… https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=218262 , https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ighlight=goofy
F. D and E.

[Penton-Man]

^ B.T.W., for the record, although I don’t think Michael mentions it anywhere in the clip, the DCP specs of Ender’s Game turned out to be –

Image Format: 2K (scope)
Feature Run Time: 1:53:46
File Size: 161 GB
Audio Format: 5.1/7.1/Auro

[I KEEL YOU]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

DCP for American Hustle

Feature Run Time: 2:17:51
Image Format: 4K 4096x1716 (scope)
File Size: 158 GB
Audio Format: 5.1

Hmmm.. So I guess the 128 gig BDXL format is out of the question for 4K then.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by I KEEL YOU

Hmmm.. So I guess the 128 gig BDXL format is out of the question for 4K then.

Why?