4K Movies Releases

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Well that aspect of it is not my department so I’ll defer to those with such business expertise, but my feeling is that the duration of the process for 4k implementation is related more so to the engineering for delivery eventually settling out and coming to fruition.

It would be rather embarrassing though if 4k Blu-ray was spec-ed inferior to 4k broadcast or VOD services -
http://www.ateme.com/IMG/pdf/2013_he...beyond_hd_.pdf

Ok, thanks man.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Ok, thanks man.

[Penton-Man]

Well, for me, in my lifetime, I doubt anything will ever top watching with my Dad live (and only in SD) Franz Klammer’s gold medal run (skip to ~ 1:30 time stamp for the actual run)

Franz Klammer - 1976 Olympic Gold Medal Run - YouTube

But this is fierce - http://www.fiercecable.com/story/ele...hIWt0o.twitter

‘Elemental’ background and Soccer plug for Peter THX -
http://www.digitaltveurope.net/13085...coding-market/

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by I KEEL YOU

And something I still can't figure out is whether BDXL will require a hardware upgrade, or just software. If it requires a hardware upgrade, then isn't it essentially a brand new physical format?

Sony have said that the PS4 will be 4K compatible so shouldn't it be able to cope with BDXL, if they decide to go with it?

not sure what you mean. Since HW and SW can sometimes be the same thing. What I mean is think of 3D BD. For the PS3 it was a simple SW upgrade, but if someone had a 2D bD player they needed new HW.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by I KEEL YOU

If it ultimately is a hardware restriction, then why the hell is there any hype whatsoever about BDXL, since it would pretty much basically be a new physical format? Wouldn't it be better to have a proper 4K physical format then that has hundreds of gigabytes of space and can have 100 mbps bit rates?

Do you have one, that makes sense?

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by vargo

I wouldn't say there is any hype surrounding it. BDXL is a write-once disc format, the only relevance to a hypothetical consumer disc format is simply that it demonstrates that a 3 or 4 layer disc is feasible right now from a technical standpoint. Its not one of those vapourware high-capacity discs that get announced every few years. It uses proven technology.

If 3 or 4 layer consumer playback discs came out they wouldn't even be called BDXL.

Regarding what would be better or not, it's all just speculation right now.

a bit more than that, the BDXL format is a write once format, like you said, but Singulus is already selling "BDXL" replication lines https://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=12140

[Penton-Man]

Back from last month-
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ey#post8439627

DCP for Saving Mr. Banks which is to be released shortly in the U.S. -
Image Format: 2048x858 (scope)
Feature Run Time: 2:05:31
File Size: 115 GB
Audio Format: 5.1

I mean it’s not like the Mouse House is ignorant of the virtues of 4K mastering, heck Howard (https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...rd#post8149698) was the Director of Technology for DCI and responsible for researching and documenting the Digital Cinema Specifications. He’s one knowledgeable fellow.

Score:
Bean counters 1
Cinematographers, engineers 0

P.S.
b.t.w. that link from September included above interviewing Howard is an easy to understand nutshell explanation of HDR, given the recent HDR "nits" news reported after the Dolby event.

[vargo]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

a bit more than that, the BDXL format is a write once format, like you said, but Singulus is already selling "BDXL" replication lines https://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=12140

They announced a successful production test. The reality is that they are not 'selling' (present tense) replicators because there is no 100GB ROM disc in the Bluray whitepaper yet.

Nobody buys or sells a replicator for a disc format whose specification hasn't been agreed and published. This was essentially an announcement by Singulus that they had cracked the technical challenge and were ready to go when necessary.

[img eL]

Originally Posted by vargo

The reality is that they are not 'selling' (present tense) replicators because there is no 100GB ROM disc in the Bluray whitepaper yet.

Just because 100GB, 128GB BD ROM's are not in the Blu ray white paper specifications does not mean they don't exist

[dib2]

Originally Posted by I KEEL YOU

It's good to know that 128 GB will be sufficient..

If they decide to go with thr 128 gig BDXL, I seriously hope that there will be some encoded requirement within H. 265, not making it possible to encode 4K material on a bit rate of under 40 mbps.

And something I still can't figure out is whether BDXL will require a hardware upgrade, or just software. If it requires a hardware upgrade, then isn't it essentially a brand new physical format?

Sony have said that the PS4 will be 4K compatible so shouldn't it be able to cope with BDXL, if they decide to go with it?

The 4K compatible claim could come from the idea that you could download 4K Movies from their service and watch them just as they have that round box now for downloading 4K Movies. That is probably why they say it is 4K compatible.

[vargo]

Originally Posted by img eL

Just because 100GB, 128GB BD ROM's are not in the Blu ray white paper specifications does not mean they don't exist

Existence is irrelevant. There are a number of steps which need to be taken in order for a new physical format to hit the shelves.

The time involved is quite lengthy and while much of it is done behind closed doors, consumers will certainly be aware of key events long before a commerical launch. No video format suddenly appears on the shelves a few days after it was announced. The time period is usually measured in years. Consumers were aware that Bluray was coming many many years before 2006.

So it is absurd to think that Singulus are actively manufacturing and shipping 100GB ROM replicators right now.

[img eL]

Blu-ray Disc Association announced 100/128GB BDXL Disc's in April 2010 so there has been time & time with real world public usage of BDXL drives & disc's since 4Q 2010

[vargo]

Originally Posted by img eL

Blu-ray Disc Association announced 100/128GB BDXL Disc's in April 2010 so there has been time & time with real world public usage of BDXL drives & disc's since 4Q 2010

Yes, BDXL is a write-once disc.

If you want to make a home video format that uses 100GB or 128GB discs then you need to agree the specifications. The codec specifications, file format, the disc specifications. It doesnt matter if a ROM disc is extremely similar to a R disc in terms of layer depth etc. You still need a spec. Nothing gets done without specs. Nobody buys replicators for a format that doesnt exist and hasn't been specified.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

...P.S.
b.t.w. that link from September included above interviewing Howard is an easy to understand nutshell explanation of HDR, given the recent HDR "nits" news reported after the Dolby event.

So, some silently inquiring minds might ask….”All this Dolby ‘nit’ geek speak which has recently been in the news but for which you have been discussing on-and-off now for months on this thread prior to the mainstream audio/video press reporting the concept after the Dolby event, eyes have three questions:

1. How does this all pertain to 4K because if I’ve read all the press coverage correctly, they’re talking about HDR for 1080p TVs only?
2. Is this tech only good to make bright scenes brighter because I’m already kind of happy now with the brightness of my current TV especially when I watch the Premier league with my soccer buddies.
3. Like vargo says with dem discs, we need specific specs for all this HDR stuff to happen and nobody has said nuthin about the motion picture business pursuing specs…..all I read is Dolby going nuts over nits (or, as you’ve previously referred to it - ‘cd/m2’) at a Dolby press event/demo.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

three questions:

1. How does this all pertain to 4K because if I’ve read all the press coverage correctly, they’re talking about HDR for 1080p TVs only?

Answer: HDR tech is applicable to resolutions beyond HD and some would rightfully argue of more value with 4k TVs than 1080p TVs.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

three questions:

2. Is this tech only good to make bright scenes brighter because I’m already kind of happy now with the brightness of my current TV especially when I watch the Premier league with my soccer buddies.

Answer: It’s not just useful to make brighter scenes brighter, think of when you’re watching a match on TV and the player kicks a soccer ball into the deep shadows caused by the surrounding stadium stands….with HDR you’ll be able to clearly see the soccer ball when it's kicked from the sunshine into the shadows and then back again to the sunshine. It will also be of aid to new-age filmmakers who don’t have quite the expertise at lighting like some cinematographers such as Vilmos Zsigmond. Fast lighting is becoming a lost art.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

three questions:

3. Like vargo says with dem discs, we need specific specs for all this HDR stuff to happen and nobody has said nuthin about the motion picture business pursuing specs….all I read is Dolby going nuts over nits (or, as you’ve previously referred to it - ‘cd/m2’) at a Dolby press event/demo.

Answer: I’ve previously hinted to a working group now in existence in the Society of Motion Picture and Television Engineers back here - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ct#post8493835. So, this is on the plate of a standards organization. Visionary scientists and engineers (not just Dolby employees) have shown interest in displays with high peak brightness and dynamic range/contrast ratio. One initial proposal suggests the format to support a peak brightness of 10,000 nits and a black luminance of 0.005 nits, thus resulting in a target contrast ratio of 2,000,000:1. The lower threshold of the encoding range being 0 nits and the upper threshold being 10,000 nits.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

my Dad

Reminds me [since both my parents were WWII vets and lie in rest at Arlington National Cemetery (Mom having been an Army nurse in an active war zone)],
so, with the hectic schedule of the Holiday season, allow me now to make a commemorative post given the 69th anniversary of the Battle of the Bulge is fast approaching.

On that note, for all you travelers who might like to view a free movie while waiting at the airport for your delayed flight, etc. (yeah, yeah I know it’s not a Blu-ray), ‘The Wereth Eleven’ (Wereth is in Belgium b.t.w.) is something to watch to keep you occupied on your travels especially if you think you're having it tough that day with delays/cancellations, as it could always be worse.

This is background to the film with recent news to the House actually accomplishing something for a change - http://www.lumieremedia.com/#!news/c1vud <- it also contains the trailer to the movie and if you like what you see, then the movie itself is here - http://www.snagfilms.com/films/title/the_wereth_eleven

About men who *held the line* and paid for it.

[Penton-Man]

A reminder for movie-goers tomorrow, see this past heads-up…https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...4k#post8511051

And believe me, 4K trailers at your local Cineplex are a rarity.

[img eL]

Originally Posted by vargo

Yes, BDXL is a write-once disc.

& also a re-writable format as well