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4K rant of the day:

When will the expert press and industry start using only UHD. I'm seriously starting to be annoyed by the term "4K". 1st, it's not. 2nd, it's ultra gimmicky, and they have to market more than a number (though for now that's all they have) to get the videophiles to dive in, we are the real early adopters who are willing to go through the growing pains (though after blu-ray I'm not sure that still holds as true).

Now we'll have to reeducate everyone.

Edit: Imagine if the study group's recommendation are followed and we do get real 4K res, what will they call that, True 4K

(P.S. I know it's just used as a perfect tie-in to movie theaters, but still, grrrr )

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Old 04-06-2014, 01:44 AM   #3102
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When will the expert press and industry start using only UHD...grrrr )
I’m biased towards the usage as it’s easier to type (two keystrokes ) and easier just to say ‘4K’ during a presentation.

Don’t sweat the details . For in our community wisdom we’ve all known months ago that ‘4K’ is a term used to describe images that have ~ 4000 vertical lines. In D-Cinema, a 4K image with a 2.39:1 (scope) aspect ratio is delivered having 4096 x 1716 pixels. Whereas, a 4K image with a 1.85:1 (flat) aspect ratio is delivered having 3996 x 2160 pixels. Is 3.9K…4K? Academy 4K (a storage format) is 3656 x 2664. Is 3.6…4K? The working central extraction (from which at least some things were blown-up) for the ‘4K’ motion picture The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo was 3600 x 1500 for the ‘4K’ DI. Again, is 3.6….4K?

Personally, I’m rather fine in holding back from calling it UHD, UHDTV, Ultra this or Ultra that until consumers are delivered superior audio/video parameters other than increased pixels be it exactly 4K or approaching 4K.

I’m saving the UHD acronym for the future.
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Personally, I’m rather fine in holding back from calling it UHD, UHDTV, Ultra this or Ultra that until consumers are delivered superior audio/video parameters other than increased pixels be it exactly 4K or approaching 4K.

I’m saving the UHD acronym for the future.
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Old 04-06-2014, 07:54 PM   #3104
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Great point
Additionally, regular readers of this thread with good recollection were cognizant of the real world end repercussions as regards to ‘consumer 4K’ and ‘theatrical 4K’ thusly answering the mastering question correctly, over 2 years ago - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ng#post5724086

So anyway, for me, this is one example of some parameter(s) that qualify as *UHD*….“4:2:2, 10-bit, 4K UHDTV signal at 60fps” - http://www.rapidtvnews.com/index.php...hd-future.html
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Shopping for a newly featured Digital SLR camera? Rumor has it watch the press conference tomorrow live… http://new.livestream.com/SonyProfessional/NAB2014
approaching one hour to go...
http://new.livestream.com/SonyProfessional/NAB2014

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Additionally, regular readers of this thread with good recollection were cognizant of the real world end repercussions as regards to ‘consumer 4K’ and ‘theatrical 4K’ thusly answering the mastering question correctly, over 2 years ago - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ng#post5724086

So anyway, for me, this is one example of some parameter(s) that qualify as *UHD*….“4:2:2, 10-bit, 4K UHDTV signal at 60fps” - http://www.rapidtvnews.com/index.php...hd-future.html


Agreed. But it somehow still annoys me, go figure

(I think it's more in the way it's advertised than the actual name of it. I know my Sony is a "2K" set within those parameters, but HD sounds nicer lol)
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So anyway, for me, this is one example of some parameter(s) that qualify as *UHD*….“4:2:2, 10-bit, 4K UHDTV signal at 60fps” - http://www.rapidtvnews.com/index.php...hd-future.html
Any commercial set capable of such a feed yet?
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Old 04-07-2014, 05:25 PM   #3108
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Agreed. But it somehow still annoys me, go figure

(I think it's more in the way it's advertised than the actual name of it. I know my Sony is a "2K" set within those parameters, but HD sounds nicer lol)
We all have our pet peeves, including me. A marketing word game which does tend to bug me at times is ‘HDMI 2.0 capable’ devices…https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ng#post8535984

i.e., the incapability of some 1st generation devices (TVs, front projectors, gaming machines) to handle 17.82 Gps bandwidth. B.T.W., the later being a precise figure noted here a few days after the HDMI announcement and long before it was officially listed or reported on.
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Any commercial set capable of such a feed yet?
We’ll see…http://www.rapidtvnews.com/index.php...ming-demo.html

Previous live streaming of ‘UHD’ content demoed at trade show has used this professional monitor.. http://www.astrodesign.co.jp/english/product/dm-3412
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Shopping for a newly featured Digital SLR camera? Rumor has it watch the press conference tomorrow live… http://new.livestream.com/SonyProfessional/NAB2014
et voilà…http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/beh...s-still-694034

I love how all these posts eventually tie together.
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4K and HDR….http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/beh...act-hdr-693965

Question –
What would it take to show 4K B.T.2020 HDR content with a front projector in a commercial theater?

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A LOT. Significantly more difficult to do so than with flat panels. Must save the elaboration on this topic for another day….some future tie-in. I already spent too much time reading the drama thread in the Tech forum.
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Steed, I only got through the 1st half and I fear our fate is no longer in our hands. Typical one-dimensional Arsenal play.

Later.
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We’ll see…http://www.rapidtvnews.com/index.php...ming-demo.html

Previous live streaming of ‘UHD’ content demoed at trade show has used this professional monitor.. http://www.astrodesign.co.jp/english/product/dm-3412
Maybe I'm wrong (which happens often ) but isn't HDMI 2 limited to 30fps at 4K?
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Steed, I only got through the 1st half and I fear our fate is no longer in our hands. Typical one-dimensional Arsenal play.

Later.
Painful Penton man. But........not as painful as tonight! I'm fed up.
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After doing some reading I think there are 4K video cameras but they are pro cameras.Not your average cameras that the public would have even amateur video photographer would have.
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4K rant of the day:

When will the expert press and industry start using only UHD. I'm seriously starting to be annoyed by the term "4K". 1st, it's not. 2nd, it's ultra gimmicky, and they have to market more than a number (though for now that's all they have) to get the videophiles to dive in, we are the real early adopters who are willing to go through the growing pains (though after blu-ray I'm not sure that still holds as true).

Now we'll have to reeducate everyone.

Edit: Imagine if the study group's recommendation are followed and we do get real 4K res, what will they call that, True 4K

(P.S. I know it's just used as a perfect tie-in to movie theaters, but still, grrrr )
So what would you do relase 4K TV in 4 or 5 years when the technology is there? Or relase it now when it still sorta in the early stages?

And you ask you self it not true 4 TV?
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In da Blu-ray news… https://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=13667

Good D-Cinema pedigree…. https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ut#post8780497
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Maybe I'm wrong (which happens often ) but isn't HDMI 2 limited to 30fps at 4K?
Often +1.
Don’t feel badly though as I find your honesty and tech humbleness refreshing.

Anyway, refer back to that pdf that Wendell downloaded from Ron Jones’s blog for the particulars or else go directly to the HDMI forum website as it should have the new 4K formats supported by HDMI 2.0 listed in one of dem colorful tables, somewhere. However …..what likely won’t be posted there is how Richard determined his vblank and hblank in his calculation…https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ce#post8710656 , which is why I asked the question to begin with for that sort of stuff truly separates the wheat from the chaff, e.g. do-ers from reporters or googlers.
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Painful Penton man. But........not as painful as tonight! I'm fed up.
I assume that means Spurs won this afternoon. Sorry about that. Hey, you can always root for England… https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...nd#post9026938 as they could surprise in this summer's FIFA World Cup (4K movie to eventually be forthcoming after all the competition is over).
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Old 04-08-2014, 12:48 AM   #3120
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After doing some reading I think there are 4K video cameras but they are pro cameras.Not your average cameras that the public would have even amateur video photographer would have.

Well, I don’t think that 4K camcorder that Sony has listed for $2,000 qualifies as a ‘pro’ camera, hell it was announced at that last CES....'C' as in consumer. Maybe a prosumer video camera. Anyway, I guess it all depends on an individual’s wallet size and how much one is into the hobby.
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