Early Blu-rays that may have playback issues (Criterion, Well Go USA, etc.)

[jscoggins]

Originally Posted by PGW

Has WellGo officially announced the "recalled titles" list? I checked their webpage and couldn't find it. I'd like to read some kind of official list / instructions before I go popping discs in the mail.

Thanks!

Please read the OP.

[jayembee]

Originally Posted by Brian81

I feel the same way. Someone else can be the guinea pig to send those two in, only to find out they might potentially be offered a different title of their own choosing!

I definitely wouldn't send either of the OOP titles if your copies play fine, and you were just hoping to get rot-proof copies in exchange. If your copies are unplayable, I don't see the difference between having a box on the shelf with an unplayable disc and a box on the shelf with no disc.

[LPMA]

Originally Posted by jayembee

I definitely wouldn't send either of the OOP titles if your copies play fine, and you were just hoping to get rot-proof copies in exchange. If your copies are unplayable, I don't see the difference between having a box on the shelf with an unplayable disc and a box on the shelf with no disc.

Well my Howards End only stops playing towards the end. I prefer a mostly watchable copy to no copy at all.

[PGW]

I'd said:

"Has WellGo officially announced the "recalled titles" list? I checked their webpage and couldn't find it. I'd like to read some kind of official list / instructions before I go popping discs in the mail. "

Originally Posted by jscoggins

Please read the OP.

I did, but it just links to someone reporting what was in a private e-mail. I'm wondering if WellGo has officially posted an announcement somewhere.

[jscoggins]

Originally Posted by PGW

I'd said:

"Has WellGo officially announced the "recalled titles" list? I checked their webpage and couldn't find it. I'd like to read some kind of official list / instructions before I go popping discs in the mail. "



I did, but it just links to someone reporting what was in a private e-mail. I'm wondering if WellGo has officially posted an announcement somewhere.

There has not been any further activity. I will update the OP when Well Go USA makes further announcements about this matter.

[Freeza]

Originally Posted by PGW

I'd said:

"I did, but it just links to someone reporting what was in a private e-mail. I'm wondering if WellGo has officially posted an announcement somewhere.

They posted what the link to wormraper's post had on their Facebook page, as well as a similar writeup here:

http://www.cityonfire.com/well-go-us...blu-ray-discs/

[jscoggins]

Has anyone actually received any replacement discs from either Criterion or Well Go USA?

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by PGW

I'd said:

"Has WellGo officially announced the "recalled titles" list? I checked their webpage and couldn't find it. I'd like to read some kind of official list / instructions before I go popping discs in the mail. "



I did, but it just links to someone reporting what was in a private e-mail. I'm wondering if WellGo has officially posted an announcement somewhere.

they announced it on their facebook page. the list is

Ip Man
Ip Man 2
Ip Man 2 Collectors Editions
Legend of the Fist
Shaolin
The Stool Pigeon
Brothers Five
Delightful Forest
The Web Of Death
The Man From Nowhere
The Heroic Ones
Whitewall
Kung Fu Dunk

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by jscoggins

Has anyone actually received any replacement discs from either Criterion or Well Go USA?

I don't know about Criterion, but Well GO USA said they are trying to get the stock in, could take a while. I haven't heard about anyone receiving anything back from Criterion. I'm still waiting on a reply email about my 8 that need to be sent in (especially since only ONE of them is on their "list" right now)

[Freeza]

Originally Posted by jscoggins

Has anyone actually received any replacement discs from either Criterion or Well Go USA?

Both companies are still waiting on corrected discs before sending out replacements.

[Brian81]

Originally Posted by Freeza

Both companies are still waiting on corrected discs before sending out replacements.

They don't have to "correct" anything. Just use discs that were pressed more recently. Unless of course, they package/case them and don't have discs by themselves sitting around somewhere.

[BobbyMcGee]

[Show spoiler]

Originally Posted by BobbyMcGee

Little by little I am working my way through my Criterion collection. Here are the results so far:

A few notes first,

- By "IFPI", I mean the code found on the clear inner ring (Mould). Used a magnifying glass but they were still difficult to read so please excuse any mistakes.

- By "inner ring", I mean the ring that typically appears white. Is this white stuff a sealant of some sort? I noticed that many of the Criterion Blu-rays I looked at, this white ring appeared uneven (if it wasn't bronzed), like looking at a crescent moon.

- Decided to do a quick chapter skip test, to find any readily apparent issues. I found a few and noted them below, still need to do a VSO check on each disc.

- Provided a picture for some. Others were too hard to capture with my smartphone's camera.


8 ½:
No Bronzing
No issues with chapter skip
IFPI: OWXI

Bigger Than Life:
Bronzing on inner ring
No issues with chapter skip
IFPI: 10K6
Picture:

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Che:
No bronzing
No issues with chapter skip
IFPI: OWXT (Pt. 1) and OWYD (Pt. 2)

Days Of Heaven:
Bronzing on inner ring
No issues with chapter skip
IFPI: 10K7

Howard’s End:
Bronzing on outer ring
Stops working at chapter 21
IFPI: 10K7
Picture:

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In The Realm Of The Senses:
No bronzing
No issues with chapter skip
IFPI: OWY9

Gomorrah:
Bronzing on inner ring
No issues with chapter skip
IFPI: 10K7

Kagemusha:
No bronzing
No issues with chapter skip
IFPI: OWY9

M:
Bronzing on inner and outer ring
Does not work at chapter 1
IFPI: 10K7
Picture:

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Monsoon Wedding:
Bronzing on inner and outer ring
Stops working at chapter 15, skips to end of film credits
IFPI: 10K7

A Night To Remember:
No bronzing
No issues with chapter skip
IFPI: OW2L

Paris, Texas:
Bronzing on inner and outer ring
No issues with chapter skip
IFPI: 10K7

Pierrot Le Fou:
No Bronzing
No issues with chapter skip
IFPI: 10K6

Seventh Seal:
Bronzing on inner ring
No issues with chapter skip
IFPI: 10K6

Stagecoach:
Bronzing on inner and outer ring
No issues with chapter skip on main feature or Bucking Broadway
IFPI: 10K6

Vivre Sa Vie:
No bronzing
No issues with chapter skip
IFPI: OWY9

Sanjuro:
No bronzing
No issues with chapter skip
IFPI: OWYJ

Yojimbo:
No bronzing
No issues with chapter skip
IFPI: OWXT
NOTE: Noticed an odd abnormality beginning at chapter 8. The man sweeping with a broom, his back looks pixelated. See pic.
Pic:

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Need to replace the following:

- In red, not on Criterion's official list.

1. Bigger Than life (Bronzing / 10K6)
2. Days Of Heaven (Bronzing / 10K7)
3. Howard's End (Bronzing / 10K7 / Playback issues)
4. Gomorrah (Bronzing / 10K7)
5. M (Bronzing / 10K7 / Playback issues)
6. Monsoon Wedding (Bronzing / 10K7 / Playback issues)
7. Paris, Texas (Bronzing / 10K7)
8. Pierrot Le fou (10K6)
9. Seventh Seal (Bronzng / 10K6)
10. Stagecoach (Bronzing / 10K6)

Hey folks, decided to take a another look at my collection and inspect other titles that were released in the same date range as the titles that have been reported as having issues. Unfortunately, I found three more problem titles.

My original findings are quoted and spoiler'ed above. Here are my new findings:

Lola Montes
Bronzing on inner ring
No issues with chapter skip
IFPI: 10K7

Hunger
Bronzing on inner ring
No issues with chapter skip
IFPI: 10K6

Wings of Desire
Bronzing on inner ring
No issues with chapter skip
IFPI: 10K6

And now, here is my updated list of problem titles:

Need to replace the following:

- In red, not on Criterion's official list.

1. Bigger Than life (Bronzing / 10K6)
2. Days Of Heaven (Bronzing / 10K7)
3. Howard's End (Bronzing / 10K7 / Playback issues)
4. Gomorrah (Bronzing / 10K7)
5. M (Bronzing / 10K7 / Playback issues)
6. Monsoon Wedding (Bronzing / 10K7 / Playback issues)
7. Paris, Texas (Bronzing / 10K7)
8. Pierrot Le fou (10K6)
9. Seventh Seal (Bronzng / 10K6)
10. Stagecoach (Bronzing / 10K6)
11. Lola Montes (Bronzing / 10K7)
12. Hunger (Bronzing / 10K6)
13. Wings of Desire (Bronzing / 10K6)

[jscoggins]

Originally Posted by BobbyMcGee

Hey folks, decided to take a another look at my collection and inspect other titles that were released in the same date range as the titles that have been reported as having issues. Unfortunately, I found three more problem titles.

When you say "inner ring", are you talking about the part w/o any data?

[jscoggins]

Fox
X-Men: Days of Future Past 2D BD

Playback issues on Oppo BDP-83, some Sony players.

[BobbyMcGee]

Originally Posted by jscoggins

When you say "inner ring", are you talking about the part w/o any data?

It is the area where the clear plastic ends. Usually, you see a white ring. I am not sure if that white ring is some sort of sealant / glue? On almost all of my 10K7 and 10K6 discs, either this ring is bronzed or a mixture of clear and bronzed, but not white.

Here are two comparison pics:

The first is from the film Seconds by Criterion. It is a bit difficult to see, but where the clear plastic ends, a white ring begins with a bit of red before it appearing from the disc art on the other side. So; clear plastic, red, then white ring. After the white ring ends, there begins a lighter silver section, followed by a larger dark silver section.

Pic for Seconds:

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Now, here is a pic from my copy of M. Also from Criterion. The white ring is bronzed.

Pic one of M:

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Pic two of M:

[Show spoiler]

Should I only be looking at the outer ring?

Finally, on Lola Montes, Hunger, and Wings of Desire the inner ring on all three is not as bronzed as M. All three have more of a clear plastic / bronze mixture. But none of them have a white ring.

[Freeza]

Originally Posted by Brian81

They don't have to "correct" anything. Just use discs that were pressed more recently. Unless of course, they package/case them and don't have discs by themselves sitting around somewhere.

Who's to say that all of the affected titles had pressings that were done at other facilities. The information I posted came directly from speaking with someone at the Criterion offices yesterday.

[LPMA]

Originally Posted by Jon Mulvaney

Hello,

Any title on the list above that has trouble playing will be replaced, even HOWARDS END. I hope this helps!

Best,
Jon

Hope that settles that.

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by LPMA

Hope that settles that.

That's good to hear. Now how long is it going to take to get our discs? I sent mine 10 days ago, anybody get theirs yet?

[Lino11]

Excellent news!!!

[jscoggins]

BobbyMcGee, it appears that the data part of your discs aren't affected (at least for now).