Are CG cutscenes a thing of the past?

[dereksworl]

Originally Posted by MasterXeus

I enjoy CG cutscrenes too, but we're getting closer and closer, soon the games will look like CG sutscenes. Although not many here care for the Xbox 360. Lost Odyssey has some great CG sutscences.

Square-Enix usually always tries to incorporate CG with thier games

[MasterXeus]

Originally Posted by dereksworl

Square-Enix usually always tries to incorporate CG with thier games

For Lost Odyssey, it probably has to do with Hironobu Sakaguchi (creator of Final Fantasy) and his company Mistwalker with the help of feelplus.

Although I enjoy Square-Enix games, I feel Final Fantasy has lost some steam. Hopefully FFXIII will change things around. I also hope Square-Enix will bring back a game like Final Fantasy Tactics for the PS3. I would like some more TRPG.

[DefTechPioElite]

just wait for FFXIII, it will have them. DMC4 had a couple.

[CptGreedle]

I will say 2 things about this.

Systems have advanced so much, you can get close to the quality of a cut scene without ever loosing the flow of the game or changing the feel of it. Games like Uncharted and MGS4 are perfect examples, because you never see the characters all of a sudden look better than they normally do and the scenes are instant.

PS2 games, like FFX, have cut scenes that are better than any game we have out today. So you can always get better graphics from the game with a cut scene, they can focus more energy on the quality of them and the content, and use less space on the disc in many cases. They look great and it is always nice to see the characters look even more realistic than normally.

I am torn on this. I am ecstatic that cut scenes without CG have advanced to much that they look this fantastic! But I miss some of the good old days too that would showcase a title with spectacular cut scenes that looked like a movie.

I suppose eventually we will not need them at all, especially with the storage capacity on Blu-ray. This gives us a huge amount of flexibility with our games and keeps a consistent look and flow to the game, and even seamless transitions from cut scene to game play. I think we are at that point where some will still use them, and others will not. It looks like the CG cut scene is going the way of the Dodo and will go away completely some day, but that is a good thing right?

[DaMexiRican]

What's a good example/comparison of cg and real time?

[dereksworl]

Originally Posted by MiguelitoDaMexiRican

What's a good example/comparison of cg and real time?

Real-time would be like the cutscene movies in MGS4. and CG would be like Final Fantasy cutscenes movies or like the ending movies of Tekken.

[aygie]

Cut scenes are great if done right. A good example is (like many have said) the Final Fantasy series. Crises Cores cut scenes are phenomenal for a hand held device.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5zOz...related&fmt=18

Remember this is a PSP

[dereksworl]

Originally Posted by CptGreedle

I will say 2 things about this.

Systems have advanced so much, you can get close to the quality of a cut scene without ever loosing the flow of the game or changing the feel of it. Games like Uncharted and MGS4 are perfect examples, because you never see the characters all of a sudden look better than they normally do and the scenes are instant.

PS2 games, like FFX, have cut scenes that are better than any game we have out today. So you can always get better graphics from the game with a cut scene, they can focus more energy on the quality of them and the content, and use less space on the disc in many cases. They look great and it is always nice to see the characters look even more realistic than normally.

I am torn on this. I am ecstatic that cut scenes without CG have advanced to much that they look this fantastic! But I miss some of the good old days too that would showcase a title with spectacular cut scenes that looked like a movie.

I suppose eventually we will not need them at all, especially with the storage capacity on Blu-ray. This gives us a huge amount of flexibility with our games and keeps a consistent look and flow to the game, and even seamless transitions from cut scene to game play. I think we are at that point where some will still use them, and others will not. It looks like the CG cut scene is going the way of the Dodo and will go away completely some day, but that is a good thing right?

you sound like my big boss quote in my signature

[Zipzap713]

I prefer the ingame cutscenes to CG cutscenes. For example, in Uncharted you choose a different costume, but then a cutscene pops up and he looks like the original Drake instead of the costume. The CG is nice (better lighting) but its not needed since graphically they look the same. Now MGS4s ingame cutscenes are great since he keeps whatever costume he has on at the time.

[hayzink]

Originally Posted by Zipzap713

I prefer the ingame cutscenes to CG cutscenes. For example, in Uncharted you choose a different costume, but then a cutscene pops up and he looks like the original Drake instead of the costume. The CG is nice (better lighting) but its not needed since graphically they look the same. Now MGS4s ingame cutscenes are great since he keeps whatever costume he has on at the time.

yes but for some reason the weapon you are holding changes all of a sudden when a cut scenes kick in

[dereksworl]

Originally Posted by hayzink

yes but for some reason the weapon you are holding changes all of a sudden when a cut scenes kick in

yes. this is notorious in the MGS series. and i'd be all like "hold on, I wasn't holding that gun! and secondly, where's the suppressor i had equipped on it"

[CptGreedle]

The costume changes and weapon changes is something they did in the programming. In order to do the scenes the way they wanted to, they force it to render the character the same way by telling the PS3 to use those models. MGS4 does it too.
Not all games do that, it all depends on how it was programmed.

[kingofgrills]

Originally Posted by CptGreedle

I will say 2 things about this.

Systems have advanced so much, you can get close to the quality of a cut scene without ever loosing the flow of the game or changing the feel of it. Games like Uncharted and MGS4 are perfect examples, because you never see the characters all of a sudden look better than they normally do and the scenes are instant.

PS2 games, like FFX, have cut scenes that are better than any game we have out today. So you can always get better graphics from the game with a cut scene, they can focus more energy on the quality of them and the content, and use less space on the disc in many cases. They look great and it is always nice to see the characters look even more realistic than normally.

I am torn on this. I am ecstatic that cut scenes without CG have advanced to much that they look this fantastic! But I miss some of the good old days too that would showcase a title with spectacular cut scenes that looked like a movie.

I suppose eventually we will not need them at all, especially with the storage capacity on Blu-ray. This gives us a huge amount of flexibility with our games and keeps a consistent look and flow to the game, and even seamless transitions from cut scene to game play. I think we are at that point where some will still use them, and others will not. It looks like the CG cut scene is going the way of the Dodo and will go away completely some day, but that is a good thing right?

+1 I think for this generation and beyond real-time rendered scenes using the in-game engine have proven to be the way to go. Heavenly Sword, Uncharted, Lair, and Metal Gear Solid 4 have proven how effective that can be, and the rendered scenes rival traditional CG cut scenes. I think not having the visual disparity between rendered scenes and in-game action really helps keep the gamer immersed in the experience. Half-Life proved how effective this could be having the game's narrative entirely unfold from the first-person perspective, and it led to many "Oh @#%!" moments.

[Blu-Generation]

I'm not with or agains't either side here, but one thing I do know.

FMV will and still have the advantage over real-time cutscene. At least in our current gen.

There are things FMV can do that real-time cutscene can't. Yet.

[dereksworl]

Originally Posted by DefTechPioElite

just wait for FFXIII, it will have them. DMC4 had a couple.

I was unaware DMC4 had them. i still haven't got around to buying it. maybe this weekend