Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Men Tell No Tales (2017)

[Sean B.]

Originally Posted by pgestradasp1

Do we even need another one of these?

As long as these movies make money in the box office, every time one is released to theaters then they will just keep on coming. At least until Johnny Depp decides to stop returning to play Captain Jack Sparrow in a Pirates of the Caribbean movie.

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by pgestradasp1

Do we even need another one of these?

If they fired Russo and Elliott, I'd be on board. Those two cats completely screwed the franchise with Pirates 2 and 3, with convoluted scripts that turned their characters into self-serving, self-motivated, unlikable mannequins.

Still haven't seen the 4th one, because I noticed who wrote it. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, etc. etc. etc....

[Barbossa]

Elliott and Rossio no longer write together - Rossio is supposedly writing Pirates 5.

FWIW, I preferred PotC 2 and 3 over PotC 1 - but On Stranger Tides was pretty poor, not helped by Rob Marshall's awful direction.

[Scorpion Soldier]

Well in my books this is what Pirates 5(and possibly 6) need:
-A different director, possibly have Gore Verbinski return.
-Different writers.
-More variation in action, not just result in a swordfight like On Stranger Tides.
-A naval battle, nuff said.
-A better villain, one that can live up to Davy Jones.
-Better use of supporting characters, or make better use of Jack Sparrow as a singular character. (More serious moments, not just comedic relief on his part all the time.)
-Make Jack Sparrow's character more like he was in Curse of the Black Pearl. (More serious from time to time, and badass, Less of a goof.)
-More on-location shooting like the original trilogy, this is what On Stranger Tides really lacked in my book.
-Cinematography like Dead Man's Chest & At World's End. (OST didn't look bad visually, but the others just have a quality in the visuals that OST doesn't have.)
-Score on par with At World's End. (OST'S score wasn't bad, but it's very hard to live up to AWE's score.)

Those things alone should move the movie closer to the original trilogy in my opinion. Even though 1 is miles above 2&3, 2&3 just had a quality that made them likable none the less, OST lacked this.

[Barbossa]

Agree with many of your suggestions.

Disney REALLY need to get Verbinski back directing though.

[tigertron]

Originally Posted by Scorpion Soldier

Well in my books this is what Pirates 5(and possibly 6) need:
-A different director, possibly have Gore Verbinski return.
-Different writers.
-More variation in action, not just result in a swordfight like On Stranger Tides.
-A naval battle, nuff said.
-A better villain, one that can live up to Davy Jones.
-Better use of supporting characters, or make better use of Jack Sparrow as a singular character. (More serious moments, not just comedic relief on his part all the time.)
-Make Jack Sparrow's character more like he was in Curse of the Black Pearl. (More serious from time to time, and badass, Less of a goof.)
-More on-location shooting like the original trilogy, this is what On Stranger Tides really lacked in my book.
-Cinematography like Dead Man's Chest & At World's End. (OST didn't look bad visually, but the others just have a quality in the visuals that OST doesn't have.)
-Score on par with At World's End. (OST'S score wasn't bad, but it's very hard to live up to AWE's score.)

Those things alone should move the movie closer to the original trilogy in my opinion. Even though 1 is miles above 2&3, 2&3 just had a quality that made them likable none the less, OST lacked this.

Definately, OST was a good film but it was just...flat. It lacked epic battles and large scale fights and it felt like it was on a smaller budget (which it was).

I did like that it was a stand alone film. Whilst I enjoy 2 and 3 they were both absorbed into each other and there were too many things going on. OST got us back on the right track and used COTBP's formula.

I definately agree about Jack's attitude, he needs to be less comical. I think the reason why they made him more goofy was because they saw how popular his character was. They just need a strong supporting cast in POTC5 but carefully strike a balance and not steal Jack's limelight.

I don't want most of the film to be in the dark either, because OST was constantly at night or in dark areas. There were hardly any daylight scenes as oppossed to the previous films.

[chris_sc77]

ON Stranger Tides was terrible. There was hardly any action in it. And only one decent action scene in the whole film (1st act carriage chase scene) . None of the new Characters were interesting especially the priest and the mermaid, Blackbeard (what a missed opportunity this was. Such a threat-less pansy), and Penelope Cruz wasn't terrible but just kinda boring. Also the score was very weak. It really did feel like a direct-to-dvd (or Blu) sequel in scope compared with the 1st three films.
I really like the 1st three films even though 3 has some problems of course.I hope Pirates 5 is fun again. Dont take it too seriously but have great sword fighting action setpieces

[iraino]

Originally Posted by Scorpion Soldier

Well in my books this is what Pirates 5(and possibly 6) need:
-A different director, possibly have Gore Verbinski return.
-Different writers.
-More variation in action, not just result in a swordfight like On Stranger Tides.
-A naval battle, nuff said.
-A better villain, one that can live up to Davy Jones.
-Better use of supporting characters, or make better use of Jack Sparrow as a singular character. (More serious moments, not just comedic relief on his part all the time.)
-Make Jack Sparrow's character more like he was in Curse of the Black Pearl. (More serious from time to time, and badass, Less of a goof.)
-More on-location shooting like the original trilogy, this is what On Stranger Tides really lacked in my book.
-Cinematography like Dead Man's Chest & At World's End. (OST didn't look bad visually, but the others just have a quality in the visuals that OST doesn't have.)
-Score on par with At World's End. (OST'S score wasn't bad, but it's very hard to live up to AWE's score.)

I completely agree.

[Angel Eyes]

I only cared for the first one. The second one was ok but could have used a good 30 min edit (like the whole Jack on the island scene). And thre third was just terrible IMO. I have not seen the fourth as I am fearful of wasting 2 hrs of my life on it. I think they should just dump the series now or wait 3 years for a reboot!

[Kevin Holly]

[Show spoiler]Blackbeard died

, and so did any vestigial interest in this franchise.

[Sean B.]

Originally Posted by Scorpion Soldier

Well in my books this is what Pirates 5(and possibly 6) need:
-A different director, possibly have Gore Verbinski return.
-Different writers.
-More variation in action, not just result in a swordfight like On Stranger Tides.
-A naval battle, nuff said.
-A better villain, one that can live up to Davy Jones.
-Better use of supporting characters, or make better use of Jack Sparrow as a singular character. (More serious moments, not just comedic relief on his part all the time.)
-Make Jack Sparrow's character more like he was in Curse of the Black Pearl. (More serious from time to time, and badass, Less of a goof.)
-More on-location shooting like the original trilogy, this is what On Stranger Tides really lacked in my book.
-Cinematography like Dead Man's Chest & At World's End. (OST didn't look bad visually, but the others just have a quality in the visuals that OST doesn't have.)
-Score on par with At World's End. (OST'S score wasn't bad, but it's very hard to live up to AWE's score.)

Those things alone should move the movie closer to the original trilogy in my opinion. Even though 1 is miles above 2&3, 2&3 just had a quality that made them likable none the less, OST lacked this.

I agree with almost everything you've said in this post of yours that i've quoted , except for the last thing you've said. I don't think Pirates 4 lacked quality that made it likable.

[Barbossa]

Originally Posted by chris_sc77

ON Stranger Tides was terrible. There was hardly any action in it. And only one decent action scene in the whole film (1st act carriage chase scene) . None of the new Characters were interesting especially the priest and the mermaid, Blackbeard (what a missed opportunity this was. Such a threat-less pansy), and Penelope Cruz wasn't terrible but just kinda boring. Also the score was very weak. It really did feel like a direct-to-dvd (or Blu) sequel in scope compared with the 1st three films.

Ian McShane as Blackbeard was such a wasted opportunity - he could have been a great villain, but was terribly under-used and, as you say, turned out to be a threatless pansy.

Cruz bored me silly, and the score appeared to be composed of misplaced segments grabbed haphazardly from the first three Pirates films.

What a waste.

[tigertron]

Originally Posted by Barbossa

Ian McShane as Blackbeard was such a wasted opportunity - he could have been a great villain, but was terribly under-used and, as you say, turned out to be a threatless pansy.

Cruz bored me silly, and the score appeared to be composed of misplaced segments grabbed haphazardly from the first three Pirates films.

What a waste.

Yeah, Blackbeard was nowhere near as good as Barbossa or even Beckett or Jones.

[Show spoiler]His death wasn't as epic as Barbossa's either.

[Sean B.]

Originally Posted by Kevin Enns

[Show spoiler]Blackbeard died

, and so did any vestigial interest in this franchise.

For all we know Blackbeard could come back somehow in Pirates 5. Barbossa did die in Pirates 1, and came back at the end of Pirates 2.

[leey]

Originally Posted by Sean B.

For all we know Blackbeard could come back somehow in Pirates 5. Barbossa did die in Pirates 1, and came back at the end of Pirates 2.

Would be a weak way to have Blackbeard return, especially as this technique has already been applied (as you stated)

[Scorpion Soldier]

Originally Posted by leey

Would be a weak way to have Blackbeard return, especially as this technique has already been applied (as you stated)

Indeed. Plus i remember when i first saw the movie how Jack said Blackbeard was the pirate everyone feared, whilst Davy Jones was about a 100 times a threatening as Blackbeard. Plus Jack should've had a one-on-one battle with him in the finale, rather than having the others fight him. I mean every single movie has had Jack fighting off the main villain, in 1 he had the sword fight with Barbossa, in 2 he defeated the Kraken (not the main villain, but still) and in three the huge one-on-one fight with Davy Jones. And yet in 4 he is so scared of Blackbeard? He fought off the Kraken and Davy Jones himself!

I'd actually like to see Jolly Roger as a villain in the new one, i think it could open up some great possibilities.

It would definitely open up for a more scary and threatening villain. Hell they could even use him for both the 5th and 6th movie if they think of a good story arc for him. Plus have Jack have some more emotional stake in it all. In AWE even you could see the emotions on his face, his connection to the enemy and the people he's trying to harm. Apart from a few moments in OST i couldn't see this at all.

[Sean B.]

Originally Posted by leey

Would be a weak way to have Blackbeard return, especially as this technique has already been applied (as you stated)

I didn't say how he could return. I had only said that he could return.

[Sean B.]

Does anyone think that Pirates 5's full movie title and full theatrical release date, will be revealed at the 2013 D23 Expo event when it takes place in August 2013 ?

[Walts Ghost]

Originally Posted by Sean B.

Does anyone think that Pirates 5's full movie title and full theatrical release date, will be revealed at the 2013 D23 Expo event when it takes place in August 2013 ?

Only if they get a script, and if Lone Ranger performs well. Just wait for this thread to be bumped. We'll update it when we information. You don't have to bump it every few weeks, because we hasn't learned anything since the last bump. Patience.

[Sean B.]

Originally Posted by Walts Ghost

Only if they get a script, and if Lone Ranger performs well. Just wait for this thread to be bumped. We'll update it when we information. You don't have to bump it every few weeks, because we hasn't learned anything since the last bump. Patience.

Do you think they will have a finished script for Pirates 5 by August 2013 ?