Overrated directors

[metaridley]

Originally Posted by pagemaster

His latest stuff is way overlong, over boring, and is it every overrated.

There you go, thenexus6.

[mlittle3]

Originally Posted by pagemaster

His latest stuff is way overlong, over boring, and is it every overrated.

This is what people say when they just don't want to admit they hate movies about horses or historical biopics about dead presidents.

[KarmaNL]

Robert Rodriguez' love for Grindhouse movies is just an excuse for him to make extremely crap movies.

It's made intentionally bad

[Kevin Holly]

Spielberg

[chris_sc77]

Robert Redford has never directed a good movie. River runs through it is boring to the point where i could never make it past halfway through.
and ordinary people is a horrible film. dont know how it won best picture. would give it 3 out of 10.

[Scarriere]

Originally Posted by jasonjl

Michael Mann and Ron Howard

Sacrilege!
The only movie he made that wasn't considered good is Miami Vice and I liked even that one.
Imo, he is one of the greats!

[Abdrewes]

Originally Posted by Scarriere

Sacrilege!
The only movie he made that wasn't considered good is Miami Vice and I liked even that one.
Imo, he is one of the greats!

Miami Vice is indeed a great movie. I think it's Mann's fullest artistic expression as a filmmaker, but certainly not as a cohesive narrative storyteller (which I think suits the film's ethos). On a visual level, it's what his career was tending to.

I think he's underrated actually. Many dismiss him as a genre director with two or three great films, but I think he's so much more. In fact, he's one of the premier visual stylists of the past three decades.

[Abdrewes]

Originally Posted by chris_sc77

Robert Redford has never directed a good movie. River runs through it is boring to the point where i could never make it past halfway through.
and ordinary people is a horrible film. dont know how it won best picture. would give it 3 out of 10.

He's certainly directed some misfires (the well meaning Horse Whisperer) but those two are certainly good.

As a director, nobody really rates him. His past few films were ill received but nobody called them disappointments.

Plus, he made a legitimately great film: Quiz Show, and for that I'll forgive three or four bad films.

[IronWaffle]

Hm, over-rated directors...

Any director others like more than I do. Yeah, that sounds about right.

[legendarymatt92]

Originally Posted by KarmaNL

Robert Rodriguez' love for Grindhouse movies is just an excuse for him to make extremely crap movies.

It's made intentionally bad

Machete and Planet Terror are his only two real "Grindhouse" films. His El Mariachi films are kind of inspired by it, but not much - they focus way more on the story and emotion to be disregarded as Grindhouse fodder. Spy Kids, The Faculty, Sin City and Shark Boy and Lava Girl (while not all good) are not inspired by it at all.

I think it's so easy to call Rodriguez a "hack", Tarantino rip-off or whatever, but the man does so much (directs, writes, edits, shoots and sometimes scores) and comes out with enjoyable films at the end of it. Plus, he's just a really nice guy...the opposite of Tarantino.

[Abdrewes]

Originally Posted by legendarymatt92

Machete and Planet Terror are his only two real "Grindhouse" films. His El Mariachi films are kind of inspired by it, but not much - they focus way more on the story and emotion to be disregarded as Grindhouse fodder. Spy Kids, The Faculty, Sin City and Shark Boy and Lava Girl (while not all good) are not inspired by it at all.

I think it's so easy to call Rodriguez a "hack", Tarantino rip-off or whatever, but the man does so much (directs, writes, edits, shoots and sometimes scores) and comes out with enjoyable films at the end of it. Plus, he's just a really nice guy...the opposite of Tarantino.

Even if I don't take to all his films, his complete artistic control over projects is to be admired. Id rather see rough personal projects than glossy impersonal franchise fodder that execs tinker with just to hit all the bases.

[csdot]

yeah i think Rodriguez is one of the most admirable directors working now. he does whatever he wants because he can. hes still working by the same ethic he did when he made El Mariachi for $7,000 he just has more money and resources to work with now thanks to his successful franchise of children's movies. the fact that something like Sin City was made essentially independently in his garage is pretty remarkable. even if you dont like his movies you cant really knock the hustle.

[KarmaNL]

Yes I remember his "re-envisioning" of Predator all too clearly

[nd.]

Originally Posted by IronWaffle

Hm, over-rated directors...

Any director others like more than I do. Yeah, that sounds about right.

Sums up this whole thread

[retablo]

Originally Posted by abdrewes

miami vice is indeed a great movie. I think it's mann's fullest artistic expression as a filmmaker, but certainly not as a cohesive narrative storyteller (which i think suits the film's ethos). On a visual level, it's what his career was tending to.

I think he's underrated actually. Many dismiss him as a genre director with two or three great films, but i think he's so much more. In fact, he's one of the premier visual stylists of the past three decades.

+1

[nd.]

Since noone has mentioned him, I'll get in on this debate (instead of knocking it)



He is a decent writer though.

[s2mikey]

Tarantino & Fincher come to mind right off the bat.

As always, YMMV.

[duggie walker]

Originally Posted by jasonjl

Michael Mann and Ron Howard

I'm with you on Michael Mann! I've never understood why he was so embraced by the film-studies lot. As far as I can tell, his use of neon and minimalist architecture seems to have impressed them.

He made horrible, cheesy 80s TV series and then he made some really pedestrian movies, carrying all his outmoded tropes with him.

MANHUNTER was scuppered by Mann's terrible taste in music. HEAT was horribly overlong and pretty vacuous. LAST OF THE MOHICANS, COLLATERAL, PUBLIC ENEMIES - all very average. His worst film by a mile is the laughable MIAMI VICE. The only films of his I've liked were THIEF and THE INSIDER.

I guess if you live in LA and spend all day on the beach, he'd make sense to you. If Michael Mann was a hairstyle, he'd be a mullet that someone's turned into a ponytail.

[Gizz]

Tarantino

[s2mikey]

Originally Posted by duggie walker

I'm with you on Michael Mann! I've never understood why he was so embraced by the film-studies lot. As far as I can tell, his use of neon and minimalist architecture seems to have impressed them.

He made horrible, cheesy 80s TV series and then he made some really pedestrian movies, carrying all his outmoded tropes with him.

MANHUNTER was scuppered by Mann's terrible taste in music. HEAT was horribly overlong and pretty vacuous. LAST OF THE MOHICANS, COLLATERAL, PUBLIC ENEMIES - all very average. His worst film by a mile is the laughable MIAMI VICE. The only films of his I've liked were THIEF and THE INSIDER.

I guess if you live in LA and spend all day on the beach, he'd make sense to you. If Michael Mann was a hairstyle, he'd be a mullet that someone's turned into a ponytail.

Yeah, I forgot about Mann. His movies mostly suck. Mohicans was lousy and boring. Heat was too long. Public Enemies was boring too. Yuk.