Mad Max: High Octane Collection (1979-2015) / Mad Max: Fury Road in B&W (2015)

[Poya]

Originally Posted by JJLong

I dislike this idea that movies in certain genre's are supposed to do anything, that there is this stringent view of how things should be.

I often argue with people about this in regards to superhero movies. I see plenty of people claim, simply because they see Marvel movies as the current standard, that superhero movies should not be serious movies. That there needs to be plenty of humor because the premise of these movies is ridiculous and therefore has to be treated in a certain way, and I very much disagree with that.

Also, when it comes to Michael Bay, this idea that he is maligned simply because he is Michael Bay is ridiculous. He's had movies that people see in a positive light, like The Rock and the first Transformers.

One of the reasons why people like Fury Road so much in comparison with not just Bay's action movies, but almost every action movie for the past probably 15 years is because of the way that action is handled and presented.

The action is presented in a clear manner. There is no shaky cam like in the Bourne movies. And while there is plenty going on, the action is shot so that it can be digested and understood in a clear manner.

And the action also has weight to it, in two different ways.

Weight in one sense that one can feel that there is actual danger for characters in those scenes and because of the presentation, there is feeling for the characters.

And weight in another way that differs from a big CGI scene. For all of the great advances in CGI that there has been, there is still a sense that there isn't actual physical weight to what is being presented. The difference between an actual car being destroyed and a CGI car being destroyed can be felt.

Also, the movie knows how to pace itself. And I look at Fury Road in comparison to Age of Ultron and The Winter Solider for this point. Those Marvel movies are a good example of poor action pacing, because they peak before getting to the actually finale of their movies. Fury Road on the other hand builds action properly to culminate to the finale instead of doing too much too early like Age of Ultron and Winter Solider.

I actually despised the first Transformers. All the problems the sequels had were in the original, as well, only more amplified.

[Canada]

Re-releasing a black and white version of a colour movie is pointless, just turn the colour all the way down on your TV, bam, it's now a black and white version.

[mikesncc1701]

Originally Posted by Canada

Re-releasing a black and white version of a colour movie is pointless, just turn the colour all the way down on your TV, bam, it's now a black and white version.

[wesslan]

Looking forward to the Blu vs UHD comparisons in coming months since it was made in 2K from the beginning. Maybe some raw camera assets exist in higher that they are using but don't think they will re-do the CGI in 4K?

Love the movie and really hope it does amazing on all formats so we get sequels quick

[explorer6]

Originally Posted by Mr. Chaverria

That's fine and dandy for your grandmother but also it's what she had or didn't have in her time. It doesn't make it wrong to still be an option either.

It's ignorant to think that it's a possibility for movement. The math alone doesn't add up for it to be a popular thing today. Just.... doesn't make sense.

It's become another notch on the tool belt for a filmmaker to use. That's it now. Your worry for it is troublesome cuz i just doesn't make sense.

There's nothing wrong w/ going black and white. I'm sure there's a style or purpose for it now. Especially w/ film dying off bit by bit. It's just not something to become a fad. Color will be dominant. There's no need to get so emotional about the color spectrum use for film... unless it's needless teal and orange.

Your factor for essentialness is in taste and not in need. Black and White was the option for some of the past due to what they had. As was the lack of sound. Sound and Color are dominant. I can't imagine anything really overcoming those two.

Orson Welles had said to Bogdanovich that B&W was the actor's friend. Meaning that almost all of your emotional focus is on the performance instead of what makes up the rest of visual. To a degree, he was right. It's all on the actor, for those films created like that. Obviously that attention is moot when making a film in color to B&W but it doesn't negate that it still has a purpose. Also... the color change may make a film look better. The Mist has that option. And I think that one really becomes a better film for it. Making it much more raw and bleak. Darabont even came up w/ his vision for it in B&W. Obviously that wouldn't sell but he gave us that option on BD/DVD too. Neat added element to it.

There's just nothing wrong w/ B&W. If you don't like watching that material, that's fine. Some people don't like watching films not in their language either. Some people don't like watching certain genres. Etc. etc. But to negate it as a continued existence is foolish and ignorant.



Doubt it. Warner, and other studios too, don't like to give that kind of option for films that are different from release. WB didn't do that w/ the Diamond Luxe edition of Gravity. No 3D on that one.

That's exactly what's said before every new fad....

You don't see it coming in a way that makes sense that's the very point of the thing. The entire spirit of this is to defy what's plentiful and so it always seems unlikely at the time.

What you described about my grandmother is exactly my point. People lack perspective. She had it from living in this time and experiencing it and having this perspective. Hipsters just lack the most perspective in this context which is why i singled them out. If color went away for awhile, these same people would then understand because they would then obtain perspective but because of the way people are spoiled and things taken for granted with such abundance it takes more depth and hearing to obtain such perspective in the heart of this which most people aren't capable of until a certain time due to multiple variables.

It's pointless to use energy in an attempt to explain these things or convince others to anything as people won't understand it. It's best to simply let people have their views and opinions as people grow and experience at different rates and in different times and this ties in with perspective. I mean seriously, people are going around the internet and elsewhere proclaiming art is bad and/or sucks haha. Until that is figured out there's a long way to go, firstly... in terms of perspective and understanding. They will find out that it's them in time, or won't.

[Unless it's Fantastic 4 or other similar things that a case could be made isn't exactly art as such, there's an exception to every rule... but at the same time that's a fine line for people to exploit and so it's a dangerous door to open]

If i want to choose not to support this. That's my own choice. My reasons are as good as any other. Am i telling anyone else not to support it? I don't really care what anyone else does as i'm fully aware of the aforementioned. I'm expressing myself in what i feel and what my reasons are. What others do is of no concern to me. Where my supposed insults came from who knows. It's truth that hipsters lack perspective if that's an insult it has nothing to do with me it's inherent to the thing, the one poster inquired as to where they fit in relation to my post and so i took the time to analyze and give the information, how this is taken is not my choice but they seemed to take it well.

Anyway. This topic has ran it's course. Anything else is simply wasted energy which can be used for other things. Support the black and white version if you choose, don't support it if you choose. I'm not standing in anyone's way.

[Blu-21]

A B&W version kinda seems hipster to me.

[explorer6]

Originally Posted by Blu-21

A B&W version kinda seems hipster to me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpIB50VzYGs

[levcore]

Originally Posted by Will.

Scorsese hinting that he wanted to film all his movies in 3D, that's something to be worried about.

No it's not.

[Porco Azzurro]

Mad Max: Fury Road is fast becoming one of my favourite films. As such, I would be very interested in seeing the it in a specifically-produced-and-encoded-as Black-and-White version, and happy to double-dip on Blu-ray for it.

[RebelPrince1986]

This board is littered with people complaining about millimeters trimmed from the frame or color timing being slightly warmer or cooler than their memories of theatrical versions, it's filled with people taking issue to a studio pulling ranks over the director to release the version of the film they see fit.

Then you have a director come out and say that his favorite version of the film he created is the high contrast b&w version (important information for those who think turning down the saturation settings on your television is the same thing... it's not) and now you've got a bunch of people moaning about hipsters. Grow up. If you don't feel like the director's vision is something you want to see then don't watch it, but don't bog the thread down with your incessant droning of which version you prefer before you've even seen both versions. You just sound like an idiot.

[Lionel Horsepackage]

Originally Posted by explorer6

I have no interesting in anything black and white in the modern world. Color is everything. Color is progression from a once lifeless black and white era. Let the hipsters have it who think they're unique for watching a black and white film because all of the wondrous color isn't good enough for them but i'm not rooting for it's success as i don't want to see black and white releases anytime soon. As long as they don't get in the way of color it's fine but next thing you know some directors will start losing their minds and only doing something in black and white.

I read this, and just started laughing like that waiter does when Patrick Bateman tries to make a reservation at Dorsia.

[tommynorcal]

Who ****ing cares if there's a black and white option, if you dislike black and white, and if you dislike the movie?!

If you are a human being who spends time on the internet complaining about an OPTIONAL version of a film (most of this thread) you may not be even interested in (bluyaturdzout) then holy dog **** you have to be a real miserable sack of unlikeable basement dweller.

[Mr. Chaverria]

His whole mindset is just Billy Bonkers, yeah?

A fad? Pft. What kind of isolated culture would it take for that person to think B&W is itching itself to some kind of rise?

[AronofskyFan]

I was upset after I watched this this past weekend that I had waited so long as it was pure awesome sauce from minute one to the finale. But now, I am stoked because I would have ran out and bought this day and would have had to double dip when this comes out. Can't wait for this special edition wiht new versions to come out, day one for me

[master gandhi]

I imagine if a B&W version comes along, it will be added to the iTunes Extras, like the Silent Space version of Gravity. Who knows. I don't see this happening anytime soon, unless it wins a couple Oscars. I miss the days of DVD when they gave you a choice between the standard single disc or special two disc version from the start.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by master gandhi

I imagine if a B&W version comes along, it will be added to the iTunes Extras, like the Silent Space version of Gravity. Who knows. I don't see this happening anytime soon, unless it wins a couple Oscars. I miss the days of DVD when they gave you a choice between the standard single disc or special two disc version from the start.

It's nominated for 10 Oscars. I am thinking it's going to take at least 3 or 4.

[master gandhi]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

It's nominated for 10 Oscars. I am thinking it's going to take at least 3 or 4.

Of course it's nominated for several. There's always the chance of it bringing home none, though. Hopefully it does win some. I'm not sure what that it would cause them to put out a SE version immediately, but it would certainly help. I bet it's been pretty successful so far on home video. That usually leads to double dips.

[JackKnightStarman]

Originally Posted by JJLong

I dislike this idea that movies in certain genre's are supposed to do anything, that there is this stringent view of how things should be.

I often argue with people about this in regards to superhero movies. I see plenty of people claim, simply because they see Marvel movies as the current standard, that superhero movies should not be serious movies. That there needs to be plenty of humor because the premise of these movies is ridiculous and therefore has to be treated in a certain way, and I very much disagree with that.

Also, when it comes to Michael Bay, this idea that he is maligned simply because he is Michael Bay is ridiculous. He's had movies that people see in a positive light, like The Rock and the first Transformers.

One of the reasons why people like Fury Road so much in comparison with not just Bay's action movies, but almost every action movie for the past probably 15 years is because of the way that action is handled and presented.

The action is presented in a clear manner. There is no shaky cam like in the Bourne movies. And while there is plenty going on, the action is shot so that it can be digested and understood in a clear manner.

And the action also has weight to it, in two different ways.

Weight in one sense that one can feel that there is actual danger for characters in those scenes and because of the presentation, there is feeling for the characters.

And weight in another way that differs from a big CGI scene. For all of the great advances in CGI that there has been, there is still a sense that there isn't actual physical weight to what is being presented. The difference between an actual car being destroyed and a CGI car being destroyed can be felt.

Also, the movie knows how to pace itself. And I look at Fury Road in comparison to Age of Ultron and The Winter Solider for this point. Those Marvel movies are a good example of poor action pacing, because they peak before getting to the actually finale of their movies. Fury Road on the other hand builds action properly to culminate to the finale instead of doing too much too early like Age of Ultron and Winter Solider.

I agree with you, up until you decided to slam Marvel's best film...The Winter Soldier. But I agree with everything else. Age of Ultron and it's overrated Writer/Director combo Joss Whedon also wrote that turd of a sequel Alien: Resurrection, and he script doctored The Avengers, cause if there is anyone worse at writing than Whedon, it's that Hack Zack Penn.

[JJLong]

Originally Posted by JackKnightStarman

I agree with you, up until you decided to slam Marvel's best film...The Winter Soldier. But I agree with everything else. Age of Ultron and it's overrated Writer/Director combo Joss Whedon also wrote that turd of a sequel Alien: Resurrection, and he script doctored The Avengers, cause if there is anyone worse at writing than Whedon, it's that Hack Zack Penn.

The Winter Solider is a good movie, I really enjoyed it and think it is one of Marvel's best. But I still think that it has poor pacing for its action. It does too much too early. I was riveted by the action in the movie, really on the edge of my seat at some points, but at the finale I felt like it had already done too much for the finale to be truly as effective as it should have been.

No, I don't think it is bad as Age of Ultron in terms of having the finale fall flat.

[levcore]

I think Age of Ultron is better than Winter Soldier. I hate the story in Winter Soldier and don't like a lot of the dialogue as a result. The action was good though.

Originally Posted by master gandhi

I imagine if a B&W version comes along, it will be added to the iTunes Extras, like the Silent Space version of Gravity. Who knows. I don't see this happening anytime soon, unless it wins a couple Oscars. I miss the days of DVD when they gave you a choice between the standard single disc or special two disc version from the start.

This was not the case with a lot of DVDs that i remember. It was very common for a barebones release to come out, only to be followed down the line by a special edition.