Wonder Woman Complete Collection TV Series Blu-ray July 28th 2020 - Page 10 - Blu-ray Forum

Benoit Blanc · 05-17-2020, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Esterhase

It's a $10 USD difference because CA does not let you prepay the import charges, so it's not on there. And the cheapest CA postage is actually more expensive than the cheapest US, but the CA is 6-8 weeks, vs. the US 7-9 business days.

So you're saying I should recancel and reorder from the States?

Benoit Blanc · 05-17-2020, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Esterhase

Depends if those factors I've mentioned matter to you. If you will get stung for customs and import charges and it'll take weeks, not days, the $10 doesn't look like much of a saving. But if it wouldn't take weeks and you'd not get fees, then $10 is $10

Thanks for the warning. I'll recancel and reorder from the States.

Benoit Blanc · 05-17-2020, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Esterhase

Depends where you are, some may say it never takes that long and is sent so it doesn't incur charges, I don't know. So I'm not guaranteeing the result either way, just pointing up the difference in the offer

Well I've already recancelled and reordered anyway so... And I'm in Ireland. My location not showing on your screen?

Benoit Blanc · 05-17-2020, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Esterhase

I mean it depends where the customer is in the world what result they get. I'm just being clear I have not ordered from Amazon CA to your location, so I don't know what result you'd get. But FWIW, I think you've made the right call based on the information we have

Well that's good anyway.

whiteberry · 05-18-2020, 03:55 AM

Initially, there were two closing logos:
1) The Douglas S Cramer Co
2) Warner Bros Television

Starting with episode 12 of the 2nd season ("The Deadly Toys"), a third closing logo was added because Bruce Lansbury had become the Supervising Producer:
1) Bruce Lansbury Productions, Ltd.
2) The Douglas S Cramer Co
3) Warner Bros Television

On the DVDs and the old 16:9 HD iTunes versions, the original Warner Bros Television closing logo was replaced with the 2001 Warner Bros Television closing logo:

On the new 4:3 HD iTunes versions, all episodes except the pilot have the original Warner Bros Television closing logo:

The pilot has the 2003 Warner Bros Pictures closing logo:

On the DC Universe streaming service, some episodes have the 2003 Warner Bros Pictures closing logo and some have the original Warner Bros Television closing logo. Most episodes are missing one or more of the closing logos. It's a bit of a mess. If you are curious what closing logos are missing, I've put it in a spoiler tag because it's a long list:

[Show spoiler]

A history of Warner Bros Television logos:
http://www.closinglogos.com/page/War...os.+Television

A history of Warner Bros Pictures logos:
http://www.closinglogos.com/page/Warner+Bros.+Pictures

UnionJackMix · 05-18-2020, 06:38 AM

I ordered a few times from Amazon Canada and they take forever to deliver to Europe.

I love original logos so it's horrible to find out they were replaced, but luckily at least there seems to be intention to replace them.

PerfectHitman · 05-18-2020, 09:54 PM

So will this definitely be 4:3 then?

jayembee · 05-18-2020, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by PerfectHitman

So will this definitely be 4:3 then?

There's nothing "definite" about it until Warner sends out a press release explicitly saying so, or updates the packaging images to say so. Or it's actually released, and people have a chance to look at it.

But given the presence of 4x3 HD versions on streaming sites, I think it's close enough to "definite" to not worry about it.

do.wayne.ClassicFilm · 05-19-2020, 03:41 AM

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Originally Posted by PerfectHitman

So will this definitely be 4:3 then?

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Originally Posted by jayembee

There's nothing "definite" about it until Warner sends out a press release explicitly saying so, or updates the packaging images to say so.

The closest thing to a press release to date was the Blu-ray.com release announcement posted on May 13th.
https://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=26822

On video— Blu-ray.com's listing indicates: 1.33:1
https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Wonde...lu-ray/145562/
There is another one here: 1.33:1
https://www.kultcinema.ca/wonder-wom...c-blu-ray-set/

The WB Shop doesn't indicate anything about picture aspect ratio so nothing is a definite until WB releases more information.
On audio— the reverse artwork indicates: Dolby Digital 1.0 as mentioned earlier.
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...15&postcount=1

Warner Brothers did the same thing with their Batman 1966-1968 television series blu-ray release, driving monaural audio into a single channel instead of splitting it into two channels. It's mono (single channel signaling) so our ears will never hear the separation difference, whether it's two channels or one.

jayembee · 05-19-2020, 03:55 AM

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Originally Posted by do.wayne.ClassicFilm

Warner Brothers did the same thing with their Batman 1966-1968 television series blu-ray release, driving monaural audio into a single channel instead of splitting it into two channels. It's mono (single channel signaling) so our ears will never hear the separation difference, whether it's two channels or one.

I actually prefer mono to be one channel rather than two. When I watched these shows back when they originally aired, the audio always came out of a single speaker in the TV. So that's what I expect from a home video release.

I've always found it funny that when it comes to video, die-hards will always say they want the aspect ratio to be as it was originally. But when it comes to audio, there seems to be an attitude that the more channels the better, regardless of how it was originally.

do.wayne.ClassicFilm · 05-19-2020, 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by jayembee

I actually prefer mono to be one channel rather than two. When I watched these shows back when they originally aired, the audio always came out of a single speaker in the TV. So that's what I expect from a home video release.

I've always found it funny that when it comes to video, die-hards will always say they want the aspect ratio to be as it was originally. But when it comes to audio, there seems to be an attitude that the more channels the better, regardless of how it was originally.

If you take mono signaling (one channel) 1.0 at 448 Kbps and split it into two channels 2.0 at 224 Kbps, single channeling has the higher sampling rate which can accentuate frequency and dynamic ranges to a slightly better degree.

WB's Batman mentioned earlier had modest audio processing for a blu-ray, but WB's single 1.0 mono channeling, I found it to be a little punchy, a decent amount of dynamic range for lossy audio. I think we can expect the same with WB's Wonder Woman.

UnionJackMix · 05-19-2020, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by jayembee

I actually prefer mono to be one channel rather than two. When I watched these shows back when they originally aired, the audio always came out of a single speaker in the TV. So that's what I expect from a home video release.

I've always found it funny that when it comes to video, die-hards will always say they want the aspect ratio to be as it was originally. But when it comes to audio, there seems to be an attitude that the more channels the better, regardless of how it was originally.

I feel the same, most of all when people want to have 5.1 remixes of classic albums from eras where such a thing was eons away like Beatles albums.

mar3o · 05-19-2020, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by jayembee

I actually prefer mono to be one channel rather than two. When I watched these shows back when they originally aired, the audio always came out of a single speaker in the TV. So that's what I expect from a home video release.

I've always found it funny that when it comes to video, die-hards will always say they want the aspect ratio to be as it was originally. But when it comes to audio, there seems to be an attitude that the more channels the better, regardless of how it was originally.

If it's dual-mono you receiver should have a mode that pushes it down to the single front center speaker. Mine does.

mar3o · 05-19-2020, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by UnionJackMix

I feel the same, most of all when people want to have 5.1 remixes of classic albums from eras where such a thing was eons away like Beatles albums.

There were quadraphonic albums way back in the 70's, outputting 4 discrete sound channels for surround music. The sound was stunning for some albums.

They also had binaural albums that sounded truly lifelike when wearing headphones. Recorded with dual microphones placed on a dummy head, it fully recreated sound in 3D as you actually hear it in reality. I have several binaural albums and they uncanny when listening with headphones. There are lots of examples of binaural audio on Youtube.

As far as creating new mixes, I have no issue with creating new mixes as long as we have the original track included also. What I don't like is when they start replacing sound effects with new sound effects. That's going too far. Old albums can sound fun and bring something new to enjoying your favorite classic songs. I see nothing wrong with that, as the originals are still available.

UnionJackMix · 05-19-2020, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by mar3o

There were quadraphonic albums way back in the 70's, outputting 4 discrete sound channels for surround music. The sound was stunning for some albums.

They also had binaural albums that sounded truly lifelike when wearing headphones. Recorded with dual microphones placed on a dummy head, it fully recreated sound in 3D as you actually hear it in reality. I have several binaural albums and they uncanny when listening with headphones. There are lots of examples of binaural audio on Youtube.

As far as creating new mixes, I have no issue with creating new mixes as long as we have the original track included also. What I don't like is when they start replacing sound effects with new sound effects. That's going too far. Old albums can sound fun and bring something new to enjoying your favorite classic songs. I see nothing wrong with that, as the originals are still available.

I have two issues with this however: I follow some specific forums on music and I can tell you that in some cases the original album is not remastered or included in the new packaging that includes the 5.1 audio, so if you want to hear a cleaned up version you can't, you will only hear a cleaned up remixed version.
I love Quadraphonic but it's quite different from 5.1 and also those mixes were done at the time. Creating something that was not foreseeable in the 70s would inevitably mean that someone who was not part of the original process, or had the authority to say, will create a new mix. It's a reinterpretation and should not included or (by lack of being detailed about what it is) misadvertised as anything other than that.

I find issue with the fact that there is a select group of fans who clamor for 5.1 mixes of their albums from the 60s onwards as if it was an original work that was left unreleased or on the cutting room floor.

jayembee · 05-19-2020, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by mar3o

If it's dual-mono you receiver should have a mode that pushes it down to the single front center speaker. Mine does.

Yep. But I confess that my receiver crapped out on me a while back, and I've never gotten around to replacing it. This was while my wife and I were living in an apartment, and we didn't want to annoy the neighbors, so we were scaled back on the audio anyway. We've lived in a house for a year and change now, but we've just not gotten around to getting a new receiver. Part of it is that we've got too many things going on with arranging the house, that we haven't managed to work out a plan for an audio layout for the living room (which is where we watch our movies and TV shows).

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Originally Posted by mar3o

There were quadraphonic albums way back in the 70's, outputting 4 discrete sound channels for surround music. The sound was stunning for some albums.

They also had binaural albums that sounded truly lifelike when wearing headphones. Recorded with dual microphones placed on a dummy head, it fully recreated sound in 3D as you actually hear it in reality. I have several binaural albums and they uncanny when listening with headphones. There are lots of examples of binaural audio on Youtube.

I remember both. I think, though, that all of the binaural recordings I had (and maybe still have around somewhere) were audio plays. No music (as such).

Back in the late 80s, I had two CDs -- just regular, run-of-the-mill CDs -- that had remarkably well-presented sound-stages that worked well with the set-up I had at the time. One was a Mobile Fidelity Sound Labs release of Dave Brubeck's Take 5, and when I sat in my reclining chair and closed my eyes, I could swear that the Quartet were right there in my living room. The other was Benny Goodman's 1938 Carnegie Hall Concert. Again, sitting in my chair and closing my eyes, it was like I had a giant, vintage Philco Radio right there in my living room, through which I was listening to that concert.

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As far as creating new mixes, I have no issue with creating new mixes as long as we have the original track included also. What I don't like is when they start replacing sound effects with new sound effects. That's going too far.

Agreed on both. Sometimes, with a good engineer, a remix can work wonders. I was struck with how impressive the 7.1 remix of Jaws sounded when I first played the BD with that audio option. But after that, I still found myself defaulting to the original mono.

do.wayne.ClassicFilm · 05-19-2020, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by mar3o

As far as creating new mixes, I have no issue with creating new mixes as long as we have the original track included also.

Though music is being discussed here, the same applies to older movies and television series. Having an upgraded audio option is always a plus, but it should never be at a compromise to the original recording. One television series blu-ray release that comes to mind where they skimped on original monaural audio is Network/ A&E's Space: 1999 season 1. They did a nice job on the 5.1 surround mix but the original mono audio was pretty bland.

do.wayne.ClassicFilm · 05-19-2020, 01:43 PM

Hopefully, somebody will chime in with confirmation that video on WB's Wonder Woman blu-ray will be 1.33:1. I did what I could trying to find a direct WB source indicating such, but Blu-ray.com's announcement of it's release and what few listings indicating 1.33:1 video aspect ratio are currently all we have to go by. I'd email WB for confirmation on video aspect ratio, but they never returned my previous email inquiry on another one of their blu-ray titles.

mar3o · 05-19-2020, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by do.wayne.ClassicFilm

Though music is being discussed here, the same applies to older movies and television series. Having an upgraded audio option is always a plus, but it should never be at a compromise to the original recording. One television series blu-ray release that comes to mind where they skimped on original monaural audio is Network/ A&E's Space: 1999 season 1. They did a nice job on the 5.1 surround mix but the original mono audio was pretty bland.

Was Shout's Space:1999 release any improvement on the original audio, or did it use the same audio tracks as Network' set?

do.wayne.ClassicFilm · 05-19-2020, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by mar3o

Was Shout's Space:1999 release any improvement on the original audio, or did it use the same audio tracks as Network' set?

I’m still waiting for a decent price on the Shout Factory set. It’s a little pricey to me for a triple dip, I have the A&E set too... so I’ve been buying other things instead.

05-18-2020, 03:55 AM	#185
whiteberry Blu-ray Knight Top contributor Member since:Jun 2013	Initially, there were two closing logos: 1) The Douglas S Cramer Co 2) Warner Bros Television Starting with episode 12 of the 2nd season ("The Deadly Toys"), a third closing logo was added because Bruce Lansbury had become the Supervising Producer: 1) Bruce Lansbury Productions, Ltd. 2) The Douglas S Cramer Co 3) Warner Bros Television On the DVDs and the old 16:9 HD iTunes versions, the original Warner Bros Television closing logo was replaced with the 2001 Warner Bros Television closing logo: On the new 4:3 HD iTunes versions, all episodes except the pilot have the original Warner Bros Television closing logo: The pilot has the 2003 Warner Bros Pictures closing logo: On the DC Universe streaming service, some episodes have the 2003 Warner Bros Pictures closing logo and some have the original Warner Bros Television closing logo. Most episodes are missing one or more of the closing logos. It's a bit of a mess. If you are curious what closing logos are missing, I've put it in a spoiler tag because it's a long list: [Show spoiler] A history of Warner Bros Television logos: http://www.closinglogos.com/page/War...os.+Television A history of Warner Bros Pictures logos: http://www.closinglogos.com/page/Warner+Bros.+Pictures

05-18-2020, 06:38 AM	#186
UnionJackMix Blu-ray Samurai Top contributor Member since:Jan 2014 4K collection:389 Blu-ray collection:1458 DVD collection:49 Trading Score:10	I ordered a few times from Amazon Canada and they take forever to deliver to Europe. I love original logos so it's horrible to find out they were replaced, but luckily at least there seems to be intention to replace them.

05-18-2020, 09:54 PM	#187
PerfectHitman Member Member since:Mar 2019	So will this definitely be 4:3 then?

05-19-2020, 01:43 PM	#198
do.wayne.ClassicFilm Senior Member Member since:Jul 2017 Location:North America 4K collection:46 Blu-ray collection:252 Blu-ray reviews: 5	Hopefully, somebody will chime in with confirmation that video on WB's Wonder Woman blu-ray will be 1.33:1. I did what I could trying to find a direct WB source indicating such, but Blu-ray.com's announcement of it's release and what few listings indicating 1.33:1 video aspect ratio are currently all we have to go by. I'd email WB for confirmation on video aspect ratio, but they never returned my previous email inquiry on another one of their blu-ray titles.

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