Rocky 4K UHD Boxed set - 2/28/23

[IndyMLVC]

Originally Posted by steve_dave

His kids.

Before his actual children, Stallone was broke in Hollywood. He wrote Rocky in the 1970s and eventually sold it to Irvin Winkler. However, he never got the copyright to Rocky which fell to Winkler. As per union rules, Stallone gets a credit but he is not entitled to earning continuous revenue aka equity value of his work. He wants his children to have that as it was his first success.

That's not answering the question: why now?

Is he dying? What's the sudden urgency out of nowhere?

[steve_dave]

Originally Posted by IndyMLVC

That's not answering the question: why now?

Is he dying? What's the sudden urgency out of nowhere?

The announcement of the Drago spinoff without his involvement. It is money but also his legacy which is not in his hands. It won’t be in his children’s hands or their children’s hands.

Instead like The Three Stooges legacy and rights and money, belong to third parties and nothing went to the families. The same for John Wayne and despite his relatives sueing over his likeness being used to sell beer, they had no control or say in the matter.

Eventually old money disappears and you need new money to replace it. Countless stories of people being homeless or destitute when their ancestors used to be rich and powerful.

Also, he has attempted to gain control before only to be told that he “got paid” so what else does he want?

[IndyMLVC]

Originally Posted by steve_dave

The announcement of the Drago spinoff without his involvement. It is money but also his legacy which is not in his hands. It won’t be in his children’s hands or their children’s hands.

Ahh ok. I didn't realize this was just announced for the first time. I saw the thread in the Movies section and assumed it had been in the works.

That makes sense.

[Batman90]

Originally Posted by steve_dave

The announcement of the Drago spinoff without his involvement. It is money but also his legacy which is not in his hands. It won’t be in his children’s hands or their children’s hands.

Instead like The Three Stooges legacy and rights and money, belong to third parties and nothing went to the families. The same for John Wayne and despite his relatives sueing over his likeness being used to sell beer, they had no control or say in the matter.

Eventually old money disappears and you need new money to replace it. Countless stories of people being homeless or destitute when their ancestors used to be rich and powerful.

Also, he has attempted to gain control before only to be told that he “got paid” so what else does he want?

Your point? actors and actresses shouldn’t sell their ideas away without having some kind to ownership that’s their fault and people shouldn’t have to give anyone anything just cause someone else created it and then sold it knowing he wouldn’t have control.

[mulscul]

At least Sly got paid big bucks for Rambo 2 and 3, Cobra, Cliffhanger, Tango & Cash, Demolition Man, Specialist, Assassins, Daylight, and Judge Dredd.

Winkler got none of that moolah so Stallone got a very good amount of money at one time that he should have been able to live a comfortable life, maybe not at an 80s extravagance after 1997 when he was making less but he was making way more money for a longer time than Winkler was.

[IndyMLVC]

Originally Posted by mulscul

At least Sly got paid big bucks for Rambo 2 and 3, Cobra, Cliffhanger, Tango & Cash, Demolition Man, Specialist, Assassins, Daylight, and Judge Dredd.

Winkler got none of that moolah so Stallone got a very good amount of money at one time that he should have been able to live a comfortable life, maybe not at an 80s extravagance after 1997 when he was making less but he was making way more money for a longer time than Winkler was.

That's why he wants this boxed set released now. He wants that sweet, sweet physical media money.

[blackprojection]

He removed those Instagram posts in the meantime. Maybe his lawyers talked him into removing them or the dispute with the producers is settled? Who knows...

[willo007]

Wasn't there a fairly new copyright law that after a certain period of time the rights go back to the writer? Like what happened with ANOES rights that went back to Wes Craven (his estate) after 35 years.

Rocky was an original by Sly, and he wrote the script, doesn't that law apply to him too?

[steve_dave]

Originally Posted by willo007

Wasn't there a fairly new copyright law that after a certain period of time the rights go back to the writer? Like what happened with ANOES rights that went back to Wes Craven (his estate) after 35 years.

Rocky was an original by Sly, and he wrote the script, doesn't that law apply to him too?

No. Rocky falls outside of that termination clause as it was first released in 1976 and Sylvester Stallone never applied for the copyright to his work or creation.

https://www.copyright.gov/recordation/termination.html

Only creative works made from 1978 onward apply and the person wanting to terminate or interested in terminating must hold the copyright.

[Geoff D]

Yeah, he had to have the rights in the first place in order to have them revert to him. Unlike, say, Cameron who asserted that initial ownership over Terminator but sold the rights to the IP long term as he needed the money, rights which then got picked up by a succession of studios as various attempts were made to restart the franchise. But those rights eventually lapsed a few years ago so the ability to create new content using that IP now rests with Cameron (but any existing movies/shows remain the property of their existing owners).

[Buck Turgidson]

unfortunate how this played out but I'm not gonna lose to much sleep, the guy made his money throughout the years

[Rayjg]

Originally Posted by IndyMLVC

That's not answering the question: why now?

Is he dying? What's the sudden urgency out of nowhere?

He sounds bitter that Winky’s sons are getting a cut. Maybe Winky’s near the end, he is in his 90s, and Stallone senses it’s now or never before the next gen takes over leaving his kids permanently in the dust

[Batman90]

Originally Posted by blackprojection

He removed those Instagram posts in the meantime. Maybe his lawyers talked him into removing them or the dispute with the producers is settled? Who knows...

More likely he was told to delete them.

[Ishai]

Originally Posted by Markgway

I could be wrong, but I think Stallone more regrets the loss (or lack) of control over his character(s) than just the money. He was involved in Creed, he was consulted. But it appears that Drago has been announced without anyone telling him, let alone asking him, and it's the straw that broke the camel's back.

I thought it started before, when the Creed III story was changed and Stallone was no longer a part of that movie. That's when his brother came out with the first attack on the franchise. Stallone having no say in that happening might've triggered this fight.

He has since stated he fully supports Creed III even after Rocky's character getting written out from that story, but that might be about his producer credit and money he already got (or is due to get)

[Ishai]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I think the point is that although Stallone created the characters and wrote the screenplay he was just a jobbing actor at the time so the producer basically nabbed all the rights and said “tough shit, if you want the movie made these are my terms”. As with Star Wars there was no inkling whatsoever that the film would become the multi-generational franchise it did, though in that situation it was something of a reversal of Sly’s fortune as it was Lucas’ shrewd business sense that ensured him all that cheddar.

Lucas was also more established by that point, with American Graffiti's success, and what he asked for, merchandise and sequel rights, wasn't a big issue for the studio. Stallone wanting to star in Rocky was a much bigger give for a studio

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Ishai

Lucas was also more established by that point, with American Graffiti's success, and what he asked for, merchandise and sequel rights, wasn't a big issue for the studio. Stallone wanting to star in Rocky was a much bigger give for a studio

Yousa point is well said. Still, Lucas didn't have the rights to the movie itself and the studio gave up all that other stuff to him as they thought it was essentially worthless as you say (though still inserted a clause that gave them a slice of these ancillary proceeds for a certain period of time). But even when going into Graffiti as the director of sci-fi oddity and box office flop THX 1138 he was savvy enough to negotiate a share of the points that made him a literal millionaire when the movie became a massive hit. That's the thing about Lucas, he kept making these decisions that netted him megabucks and after a while you realise what a cunning operator he was.

But then it was perhaps easier for a young pup like him to do such things behind the scenes whereas Stallone's insistence on also playing Rocky was a very different scenario, yep.

[BNex99]

I may be missing something here, but what is all this about Stallone being "written out" of Creed III? I didn't think he was ever part of it.

Creed II deliberately gave a sense of finality to Rocky's story, and days after it was released, Stallone announced that he was indeed finally retiring from the role.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

But then it was perhaps easier for a young pup like him to do such things behind the scenes whereas Stallone's insistence on also playing Rocky was a very different scenario, yep.

Yep, Fox said "definitely NOT!" to Lucas playing Luke Skywalker.

[DenOfEarth]

That would be awesome to see Rocky 1, 2, 3, 4 and Balboa on UHD 4K

[IndyMLVC]

Originally Posted by IndyMLVC

That's not answering the question: why now?

Is he dying? What's the sudden urgency out of nowhere?

Originally Posted by steve_dave

The announcement of the Drago spinoff without his involvement. It is money but also his legacy which is not in his hands. It won’t be in his children’s hands or their children’s hands.

Instead like The Three Stooges legacy and rights and money, belong to third parties and nothing went to the families. The same for John Wayne and despite his relatives sueing over his likeness being used to sell beer, they had no control or say in the matter.

Eventually old money disappears and you need new money to replace it. Countless stories of people being homeless or destitute when their ancestors used to be rich and powerful.

Also, he has attempted to gain control before only to be told that he “got paid” so what else does he want?

Like I said, there's always a reason...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-DIVORCE.html