Heat 4K UHD (1995)

[Kyle15]

Originally Posted by -JKR-

Brightness/contrast levels might differ somewhat, but I do expect it to be the same master.

Why do people expect the same studio to magically pull out a new transfer in a short amount of time?

Differently from when a botique label does its own transfer, these masters usually become the norm for a couple of years and are used among different platforms and mediums.

StudioCanal pulled out a new scan altogether for Mulholland Drive but used the same restoration parameters as the 2015 master, albeit with a new HDR/DV pass. These things happen but not all the time. Sometimes they'll go back to the same scan but then "fix" their restoration woes. American Werewolf in London is another good example. Same scan new restoration.

That said, I doubt Heat'll have anything "fixed" about it.

[-JKR-]

Originally Posted by Kyle15

StudioCanal pulled out a new scan altogether for Mulholland Drive but used the same restoration parameters as the 2015 master, albeit with a new HDR/DV pass. These things happen but not all the time. Sometimes they'll go back to the same scan but then "fix" their restoration woes. American Werewolf in London is another good example. Same scan new restoration.

That said, I doubt Heat'll have anything "fixed" about it.

Yeah, it does happen, but it's rather the exception than the rule.

I mean, MGM has yet to fix their Silence of the Lambs issue, AFAIK.

We'll see.

[Kyle15]

Originally Posted by -JKR-

Yeah, it does happen, but it's rather the exception than the rule.

I mean, MGM has yet to fix their Silence of the Lambs issue, AFAIK.

We'll see.

I doubt Kino even contacted them about it. We're all delusional, remember?

[-JKR-]

Originally Posted by Kyle15

I doubt Kino even contacted them about it. We're all delusional, remember?

[GiorgioV]

... ok. Got it. Preorder cancelled, gonna wait for the jury on this one.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Kyle15

StudioCanal pulled out a new remaster altogether for Mulholland Drive but used the same scan as the 2015 master, albeit with a new HDR/DV pass.

Fixed.

[Nitroboy]

Originally Posted by PNguyen

Maybe or they actually done some HDR appliance and it’ll look closer to the 2017 Blu-ray.

Either way, it will look awful.

[Kyle15]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Fixed.

Nope. They did a new scan, this was covered online direct from the horse's mouth.

https://www.festival-cannes.com/en/7...ing-eclatant-3

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Kyle15

Nope. They did a new scan, this was covered online direct from the horse's mouth.

https://www.festival-cannes.com/en/7...ing-eclatant-3

The film negative was very clearly imprinted with a lot on it. It had aged well, it had been carefully stored away. We were able to digitally scan and recompose it without losing any definition.

Thanks for the link. They remastered it. A new scan - with color correction parameters from the last time. I really hate how they throw around the term "restoration". The Godfather was restored. Mullholland Drive was not even in the same league of work needed to bring it to 4K disc.

[lgans316]

Or we can do our own remaster by jacking up Dynamic contrast, colours and gamma on the TV to feel good and not succumb to darkness and dullness lol

[Rollo Tomassi]

Originally Posted by lgans316

Or we can do our own remaster by jacking up Dynamic contrast, colours and gamma on the TV to feel good and not succumb to darkness and dullness lol

I've started using very dim lighting in my tv room and began watching my blus i gamma 2.6. Darkness doesn't bother me!

[lgans316]

Originally Posted by Rollo Tomassi

I've started using very dim lighting in my tv room and began watching my blus i gamma 2.6. Darkness doesn't bother me!

Gamma 2.6 doesn't sound right to me Sir.

[ghostof82]

Aren't gamma rays dangerous? Does nobody remember what happened to Bruce Banner? ��

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Rollo Tomassi

I've started using very dim lighting in my tv room and began watching my blus i gamma 2.6. Darkness doesn't bother me!

I hope you’re joking

[Rollo Tomassi]

Originally Posted by lgans316

Gamma 2.6 doesn't right to me Sir.

Well, granted thus far I've only tried with Arrow's Hellraiser and K&Ms Hard Boiled, which were far too bright in the first place. I'll try with Blade Runner DC tonight. Let's see how the setting holds up!

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Rollo Tomassi

Well, granted thus far I've only tried with Arrow's Hellraiser and K&Ms Hard Boiled, which were far too bright in the first place. I'll try with Blade Runner DC tonight. Let's see how the setting holds up!

Gamma mastering quirks aside, you really shouldn’t be using 2.6 and I don’t care how dark your room is, SDR content for consumer use is mastered to 2.4 at most. nissling sees 2.6 in his grading suites and, as was said, that’s fine if mastering *for* the theatrical DCI spec but isn’t carried over to the home. He does it because he likes it and is used to it (wouldn’t be the first pro who does their own thing and won’t be the last) but it’s not accurate. If that’s not what you’re after, and I wouldn’t blame you if you weren’t, then fair enough.

[Rollo Tomassi]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Gamma mastering quirks aside, you really shouldn’t be using 2.6 and I don’t care how dark your room is, SDR content for consumer use is mastered to 2.4 at most. nissling sees 2.6 in his grading suites and, as was said, that’s fine if mastering *for* the theatrical DCI spec but isn’t carried over to the home. He does it because he likes it and is used to it (wouldn’t be the first pro who does their own thing and won’t be the last) but it’s not accurate. If that’s not what you’re after, and I wouldn’t blame you if you weren’t, then fair enough.

Will do! It was only meant as a quick solution for the 2 examples I gave in my recent post. I haven't tried other blus, yet.
I did find it astonishing, that setting gamma so high didn't bother me with these discs, as it usually did, but actually improved the pq, subjectively . I attributed that to my current display. Setting my old plasma to anything higher than 2.2 never got me good results.

[KubrickKurasawa]

Geoff Don'tknow

[Rollo Tomassi]

Originally Posted by lgans316

Gamma 2.6 doesn't sound right to me Sir.

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Gamma mastering quirks aside, you really shouldn’t be using 2.6 and I don’t care how dark your room is, SDR content for consumer use is mastered to 2.4 at most. nissling sees 2.6 in his grading suites and, as was said, that’s fine if mastering *for* the theatrical DCI spec but isn’t carried over to the home. He does it because he likes it and is used to it (wouldn’t be the first pro who does their own thing and won’t be the last) but it’s not accurate. If that’s not what you’re after, and I wouldn’t blame you if you weren’t, then fair enough.

Unsurprisingly, I stand corrected: gamma 2.6 is not recommendable with Blade Runner DC, nor with any other properly transferred bluray I've tried!

[Shane Rollins]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

That’ll do Phil. That’ll do!



Ehhhhh. Fox may have completed the transfer on their watch but Disnee did the authoring and it’s the authoring which is being discussed. Speed doesn’t relate to that discussion re: compression as it’s an hour shorter than Heat, that’s just Mike being Mike. It’s more that Disnee are going to squeeze this onto their standard UHD66 and we’re hoping that it’ll go alright. Given the source material and how soft Heat’s tended to look over the years (abetted by an SDR inside HDR container type grade in this case) then it’ll prolly turn out fine, but the risk always lives.

I keep saying over and over that high bitrate alone is no guarantee of quality and have gone to Endgame’s defence on many occasions, but nor do you want to cut something off at the knees before you start. Disnee get away with it thanks to a combination of good compressionists and relatively undemanding source material, plus a realisation that they can’t make one disc for all territories by shoving 27 language tracks on there (it’s not a coincidence that Heat isn’t laden with loads of dubs), but as said above it’s running that risk that some content might show it up, as it did on The Last Jedi. At 150 minutes that one’s not terribad but it is an untidy encode, and it falls apart in Snoke’s red throne room.

This reminds me of another disc that was way overstuffed, The Ten Commandments. Unlike Heat, which could most likely fit on a triple decker with no problems, The Ten Commandments was a four-hour movie, two discs worth of movie, jammed into one discs worth of space. The disc is loaded with compression artifacts, and it is the only problem of an otherwise perfect transfer.

If the same thing happens with Heat (which it most likely will), even if it’s a perfect transfer, it will still be compressed to hell on a double layer disc. Add to that that Disney’s soundtracks are quiet enough not to wake the baby and this disc will be a disaster.

The missing soundtrack options are possibly because Mann might have signed a contract that the movie can’t be dubbed. Some directors do that, and it might have happened here. There’ll probably be a million subtitle options though. Natural Born Killers from 2009 has 19 subtitle options and The Terminator from 2012 has 27. Endless subtitles shouldn’t weigh the disc down, but don’t put anything past Disney.