Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Wendell R. Breland]

For Vilya and other Oppo UDP-203 owners, below is a couple of picture showing what mine looks like rack mounted (pictures appear to have barrel distortion).

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[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Sometime back I mentioned the URC MX-980 remote I was using in the home theater, below is why. And that is not all of them. Now I have procured a used URC MX-5000 because it can control equipment via IR and/or IP. Have read 112 pages of the manual with only 48 to go.

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Happiness is a warm remote.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

For Vilya and other Oppo UDP-203 owners, below is a couple of picture showing what mine looks like rack mounted (pictures appear to have barrel distortion).

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Very impressive as usual.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Vilya

He seems to be getting lazy of late.

You actually expect me to respond to THAT drivel?

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

You actually expect me to respond to THAT drivel?

I expect you to have a sense of humor is all.

And you did, in fact, respond to him:

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

rotf lmfao!

I thought I'd see a funny reply, but instead I was by your lack of effort. Entertain me, dammit!

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I expect you to have a sense of humor is all.

And you did, in fact, respond to him:



I thought I'd see a funny reply, but instead I was by your lack of effort. Entertain me, dammit!

Why don't you ask Wendell if his post was meant to be humorous . . . or serious.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

rotf lmfao!

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Why don't you ask Wendell if his post was meant to be humorous . . . or serious.

I very much doubt that he really believes that you are mourning the demise of HD DVD for 12 years now and counting. So, yeah, I think he was just being funny.

If I am wrong and this is a grave matter, I am willing to referee a duel at dawn between the two of you. You are the injured party, so I think that you should get the choice of weapons.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Why don't you ask Wendell if his post was meant to be humorous . . . or serious.

Well, you just never know! Do you deny that you were one of the ones left standing in the room in the following video? Contains adult language.

The downfall of HD DVD - YouTube

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Well, you just never know! Do you deny that you were one of the ones left standing in the room in the following video? Contains adult language.

The downfall of HD DVD - YouTube

Maybe he also chose Betamax?

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Maybe he also chose Betamax?

I was a big βetamax supporter, had the Sony SL-HF2700 then the Sony SL-HF900 βeta Hi-Fi. Supported βeta because it had better PQ and AQ. Still was a distance 2nd place to my Pioneer CLD-900 LaserDisc machine. Also had a Panasonic VHS Hi-Fi but used only for rentals. Still have my JVC HM–DH5U D-VHS D-Theater machine.

SL-HF900:

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[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

But that's just it. I would bet that many of these so-called "climate warriors" leave a bigger carbon footprint than you or I do. There have always been lots of preachers in the world harping on one thing or another, but nowhere near as many people who actually practice what they preach. "Do as I say, not as I do" as the saying goes.

Regardless, the vast majority of people are going to keep all of their toys no matter what a few zealots decide to do.

I hope so, I have a deeply disturbing feeling that by one way or another, we aren’t going to have access to TVs within the next couple of decades. I can’t shake it.
While many just see film and tv as pass times, I see film as way more than that.

[gotmule]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

For Vilya and other Oppo UDP-203 owners, below is a couple of picture showing what mine looks like rack mounted (pictures appear to have barrel distortion).

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Nice looking racks Wendell! Really clean looking setup.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by gotmule

Nice looking racks Wendell! Really clean looking setup.

I love a nice rack.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I love a nice rack.

Don't we all!

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I hope so, I have a deeply disturbing feeling that by one way or another, we aren’t going to have access to TVs within the next couple of decades. I can’t shake it.
While many just see film and tv as pass times, I see film as way more than that.

Your anxieties must have anxieties!

In 20 years not only will we still have TVs, the old hernia inducing CRT sets will be retro and cool.

I plan to use them as a springboard from which to haunt those damn hipsters of the future.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Here's a Walmart anecdote especially for alchav as he values anecdotes above any mere factual industry data:

My local super duper Walmart no longer sells digital codes for movies. They dabbled in offering those little cards with movie codes on them for a brief time, but they are all gone now along with the displays that held them. By alchavian "logic" that can only mean that no one wants digital codes. Digital codes certainly "evaporated" from my local Walmart.

But guess what they still sell on displays that are as large as ever? They still sell DVDs, blu-rays, and 4K discs. My local Walmart knew which to keep and which to dump.

Hey guys I was at my local Walmart a couple of weeks ago talking to an older couple at the Movie section, they were looking at Parasite and Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. I asked them what kind of Player they had 4K or BD they said BD, but they were buying DVD because of cost. Our Walmart still has Digital Movies, but they didn't know anything about them.

You guys hang on to all these stats on Disc sales, but in reality they are on the way out. All the major Studios and Providers are going Streaming, even though EST doesn't show this. You guys are left with two 4K Players, Panasonic and Pioneer, I know also the PS5 but that's for gaming not a Quality Player and maybe coming out in the 4th Qtr. I'll bank on Streaming from a Server over Fiber!

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Hey guys I was at my local Walmart a couple of weeks ago talking to an older couple at the Movie section, they were looking at Parasite and Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. I asked them what kind of Player they had 4K or BD they said BD, but they were buying DVD because of cost. Our Walmart still has Digital Movies, but they didn't know anything about them.

You guys hang on to all these stats on Disc sales, but in reality they are on the way out. All the major Studios and Providers are going Streaming, even though EST doesn't show this. You guys are left with two 4K Players, Panasonic and Pioneer, I know also the PS5 but that's for gaming not a Quality Player and maybe coming out in the 4th Qtr. I'll bank on Streaming from a Server over Fiber!

What is it about the late night hours that brings out the dumbest of your dumb comments? Do you drink yourself extra stupid and then come here to share your stupor with us?

Your anecdote means nothing. My anecdote meant nothing. That was the entire point and of course you missed it. People buying the least expensive item at a Walmart; alert the media! What a startling revelation! I knew that when I shared my anecdote you would then have to offer up one of yours because you are incapable of realizing that anecdotes do not prove anything. Neither of our trips to Walmart meant a f*cking thing.

We value factual verifiable information; that is why we read actual industry data instead of relying upon idiotic meaningless anecdotes like a halfwit would. If discs were "on the way out" we would be seeing fewer releases and we are, in fact, getting more of them. If a product were being discontinued, we would see a smaller selection, not a larger one. It is just not that hard to understand.

Not everyone settles for the cheap garbage that you do and I am not referring to just your preference for streaming. Discs will continue to be offered for those who want better quality and for those who believe in actually owning what they buy. Many markets exist that cater to the interests of smaller segments of the population; this is another fact that is hopelessly beyond your feeble grasp.

There are more than just two 4K disc players available. Best Buy currently offers 10 models of 4K disc players and that does not include the Xbox consoles or the two models offered by Pioneer. You know absolutely nothing about this subject as you have never owned a 4K disc player nor have you even seen a 4K disc in action. You are talking out of your arse as usual, but how can you not when that is where your head is permanently lodged?

You also know nothing whatsoever about the quality of the 4K disc drive in the upcoming Playstation 5; you are just making this sh*t up and highlighting your profound ignorance. The blu-ray drive in the Playstation 3 was an excellent blu-ray player and they are still running strong today. The 4K disc drives in the Xbox consoles are capable players as well.

We already know what you "bank" upon: illusions. Throw away your money on air, agree to terms that you have not read and that you would not understand even if you did, trust blindly in large companies to do right by you, and keep on paying ever higher internet service fees to access content. Make any foolish choice that you like; it does not adversely affect me or anyone else.

I buy discs and I get the digital code, too; I enjoy the far better video and audio quality that they provide. My purchases can be not be censored, edited, or removed. I do not have any terms of service to agree with; none at all. I do not need to worry about data caps and ever more expensive, ever unreliable, internet service to watch my content. Unlike you, I will own, and I will have in my possession, everything that I buy.

With Vudu being up for sale, digital customers are once again fretting about what will become of their purchases, especially their TV shows as Movies Anywhere does not support TV content. Over the past year we have had continual uncertainty, anxiety, and turmoil in the digital landscape starting with the closure of UV. As a physical media collector I am entirely immune to such dramas.

I, and many others, do not care what the masses do. You have a herd mentality, so be a sheep and be sheared. In the 35 years that I have been collecting movies and acquiring home theater set-ups I have never cared about what most people were doing. I wanted something more, something better, and that is what I obtained. I am doing the same now as I have ever done.

Watch your bitrate starved artifact riddled streams and listen to their lossy audio through your low-end wireless head phones; that suits you fine. Many of us have higher standards, though, and we want far better while you have always quickly settled for less than, cheap, and the most convenient. You are more the typical Walmart customer than you realize.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Don't we all!

Not the rack I had in mind.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

What is it about the late night hours that brings out the dumbest of your dumb comments? Do you drink yourself extra stupid and then come here to share your stupor with us?

Your anecdote means nothing. My anecdote meant nothing. That was the entire point and of course you missed it. People buying the least expensive item at a Walmart; alert the media! What a startling revelation! I knew that when I shared my anecdote you would then have to offer up one of yours because you are incapable of realizing that anecdotes do not prove anything. Neither of our trips to Walmart meant a f*cking thing.

We value factual verifiable information; that is why we read actual industry data instead of relying upon idiotic meaningless anecdotes like a halfwit would. If discs were "on the way out" we would be seeing fewer releases and we are, in fact, getting more of them. If a product were being discontinued, we would see a smaller selection, not a larger one. It is just not that hard to understand.

Not everyone settles for the cheap garbage that you do and I am not referring to just your preference for streaming. Discs will continue to be offered for those who want better quality and for those who believe in actually owning what they buy. Many markets exist that cater to the interests of smaller segments of the population; this is another fact that is hopelessly beyond your feeble grasp.

There are more than just two 4K disc players available. Best Buy currently offers 10 models of 4K disc players and that does not include the Xbox consoles or the two models offered by Pioneer. You know absolutely nothing about this subject as you have never owned a 4K disc player nor have you even seen a 4K disc in action. You are talking out of your arse as usual, but how can you not when that is where your head is permanently lodged?

You also know nothing whatsoever about the quality of the 4K disc drive in the upcoming Playstation 5; you are just making this sh*t up and highlighting your profound ignorance. The blu-ray drive in the Playstation 3 was an excellent blu-ray player and they are still running strong today. The 4K disc drives in the Xbox consoles are capable players as well.

We already know what you "bank" upon: illusions. Throw away your money on air, agree to terms that you have not read and that you would not understand even if you did, trust blindly in large companies to do right by you, and keep on paying ever higher internet service fees to access content. Make any foolish choice that you like; it does not adversely affect me or anyone else.

I buy discs and I get the digital code, too; I enjoy the far better video and audio quality that they provide. My purchases can be not be censored, edited, or removed. I do not have any terms of service to agree with; none at all. I do not need to worry about data caps and ever more expensive, ever unreliable, internet service to watch my content. Unlike you, I will own, and I will have in my possession, everything that I buy.

With Vudu being up for sale, digital customers are once again fretting about what will become of their purchases, especially their TV shows as Movies Anywhere does not support TV content. Over the past year we have had continual uncertainty, anxiety, and turmoil in the digital landscape starting with the closure of UV. As a physical media collector I am entirely immune to such dramas.

I, and many others, do not care what the masses do. You have a herd mentality, so be a sheep and be sheared. In the 35 years that I have been collecting movies and acquiring home theater set-ups I have never cared about what most people were doing. I wanted something more, something better, and that is what I obtained. I am doing the same now as I have ever done.

Watch your bitrate starved artifact riddled streams and listen to their lossy audio through your low-end wireless head phones; that suits you fine. Many of us have higher standards, though, and we want far better while you have always quickly settled for less than, cheap, and the most convenient. You are more the typical Walmart customer than you realize.

Don’t worry Vilya. Vudu couldn’t be in better hands! Comcast!
See? Nothing to worry about for our digital fans!

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Hey guys I was at my local Walmart a couple of weeks ago talking to an older couple at the Movie section, they were looking at Parasite and Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. I asked them what kind of Player they had 4K or BD they said BD, but they were buying DVD because of cost. Our Walmart still has Digital Movies, but they didn't know anything about them.

You guys hang on to all these stats on Disc sales, but in reality they are on the way out. All the major Studios and Providers are going Streaming, even though EST doesn't show this. You guys are left with two 4K Players, Panasonic and Pioneer, I know also the PS5 but that's for gaming not a Quality Player and maybe coming out in the 4th Qtr. I'll bank on Streaming from a Server over Fiber!

I have usedthe PS3 and PS4 as back ups to two Pioneers for 14 years. They are incredibly reliable players. It’s hugely positive news that Sony are supporting UHD in their next console.